Kamala is the worst part of the story. What gives?

[Maverick]

Kamala is such a mary sue character who gives up in every scene, and always has this "Oh no you don't agree with me? Let me run away from my problems until a named hero gives me a pep talk. " thing going on. It makes her look spineless and just...whiny.

Named characters just keep dropping in out of nowhere to tell her how great she and her father is despite how everything she does causes other people to have to clean up her mess. Then after cleaning up her mess, they go on to tell her how EVERYONE sees her as a hero and that she's the greatest ever.

It just reeks of mock-inclusiveness. If it was once or twice, it would make sense. But Kamala is such an easily swayed person that I'm sure she could be convinced to shapeshift into a giant and eat a live human baby with a stern raising of your voice and a gentle swat with a rolled up newspaper, and then you could convince her that she's what's wrong with the world for doing what you said, and she'd go "Oh yeah you're right, I'm a horrible hero and I don't deserve to be a hero, so I won't anymore" until Banner looks at her once for two seconds and then she's like "HE'S RIGHT I'M THE BEST HERO THAT EVER LIVED AND I SHOULD DISREGARD THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT ME SO I CAN RECKLESSLY ENDANGER THEM SO THEY GIVE ME MORE HEADPATS AND TELL ME IT'S ALL GOING TO BE OK!"

However, once you have that same cutscene and story beat play out 4 times in the first hour or two of gameplay, it ends up coming across as forced. You didn't have to show Uncle Ben get shot from 6 different angles 4 times every hour in the spiderman movie. You didn't have to show Logan going through weapon X trials every single episode of X-men.

If kamala caused someone to get hurt and went "Oh ♥♥♥♥ I need to be careful. This is why there are rules, but sometimes you have to break those rules" that would show character growth. From start to end, Kamala never grows up. She never improves. The rest of the cast is shoved into a corner while she gets the spotlight for her to spout cheesy lines from "Her father" only to instantly falter in her strict beliefs that she just chewed someone out for not following along with.

There's literally a moment where she gets all upset that someone doesn't want to immediately befriend her, runs off like a sullen child because "Boo hoo not everyone is a happy-go-lucky person when people are dying" and then risks her life, the lives of the avengers, and the other inhumans so she can....swing at a few robots and then pass out, then wake up, get drugged after going "NO DON'T DO IT", wakes up again and goes *Deeper* into the enemy base to "Go home to jersey" because she can't "Be a hero".

This all happens in the span of like....10 minutes, with a lackluster boss fight and a few rooms of mobs (and a lot of opening doors) in between.

This is after she essentially single-handedly saves the avengers and the world by just showing up and punching some people while joking about how she should name her "Super moves" and starts yelling "SUPER SLAM" when you heavy attack.

I don't get it. Marvel is FANTASTIC at writing comics. Their stories can be some of the best given the right writers. I know marvel has always been more lighthearted than DC for the most part but Kamala doesn't feel lighthearted. She feels poorly written. The thing is, she feels like a shell of a character where depth and character growth could be a great payoff for her. Having Kamala become that strong-willed anchor that holds the team together sounds fantastic, but instead it's like the Avengers essentially babysitting the Worlds most-least important tantrum throwing child.

Tony is great. Banner is great. Black widow is great. Hell, JARVIS is great.

But what gives With Kamala? Why is she so lazy feeling in a sea of amazing comic characters? It's not interesting to watch someone winge at themselves AND at the people trying to help them for hours on end. It's annoying and makes me want to skip the cutscenes.

[Obsidian]

The fact is, this new direction that Marvel/Disney has been hammering hard on for around 10-15 years now seems to cater to woke, GenAlpha and GenZ generation.

Completely rewriting and going against the OG script (1930s), and making it up as they go as the new Marvel's Movies/TV Shows clearly introduces, to cater to an audience to whom the most of them, had never read and supported one of Marvel's comic book.

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[stash123]

Your game is totally different than mine, are you playing PC? Because the only thing she says when I play is "You're okay" and "We can do it" when she's saving the team. I always bring her as an AI team member. Occasional "slam" and her take downs are epic when I use her as a player. So I guess we have to agree to disagree.

[Andrew]

Kamala was created in Captain Marvel #14 (August 2013), despite some people believing that Crystal Dynamics created her. For some Americans, well a lot of Americans, she has a perceived flaw. She is Muslim.

I have argued with Christian friends that refuse to play the game because Kamala is a Muslim and feel that they could not immerse themselves into the game because they cannot share in her ideology. Despite myself telling them that Islam is an Abrahamic faith and they both share in the same God but by a different name.

With that said, writers need to detract from politics and religion. With the smoke and mirrors of her personality, people lose sight of the perceived flaw. Her faith was only mentioned once in the game, to describe her surcoat which is part of her cosmetic, However, that is enough of a mention to drive Islamphobic people insane.

[[GER] SScRiBLe]

I like story in ma. Yes little bit more self esteem for would ve fine.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by GER SScRiBLe:

I like story in ma. Yes little bit more self esteem for would ve fine.

Sure, but she is still a child. During A-Day, she was around 11 years old. which tracks her to around 16 in the game now which supports her introduction timeline with the comics at 16 years old.

At 16, a female does not have her emotions in check. Some people would say women in general never have them in check (which I do not agree with). Kamala is an innocent and is naive. We see her story where she is forced to grow up, but we all (as humans) know that dealing with emotions cannot be dealt with over night.

How can the game become immersive if we have heroes with robot personalities.

[Obsidian]

Originally posted by Andrew:

Kamala was created in Captain Marvel #14 (August 2013), despite some people believing that Crystal Dynamics created her. For some Americans, well a lot of Americans, she has a perceived flaw. She is Muslim.

I have argued with Christian friends that refuse to play the game because Kamala is a Muslim and feel that they could not immerse themselves into the game because they cannot share in her ideology. Despite myself telling them that Islam is an Abrahamic faith and they both share in the same God but by a different name.

With that said, writers need to detract from politics and religion. With the smoke and mirrors of her personality, people lose sight of the perceived flaw. Her faith was only mentioned once in the game, to describe her surcoat which is part of her cosmetic, However, that is enough of a mention to drive Islamphobic people insane.

Exactly! Around the same time when all the feminist and woke nonsense rose from the ashes.

Definitely not a coincidence.

[Captain Worthy]

Originally posted by Obsidian:

Originally posted by Andrew:

Kamala was created in Captain Marvel #14 (August 2013), despite some people believing that Crystal Dynamics created her. For some Americans, well a lot of Americans, she has a perceived flaw. She is Muslim.

I have argued with Christian friends that refuse to play the game because Kamala is a Muslim and feel that they could not immerse themselves into the game because they cannot share in her ideology. Despite myself telling them that Islam is an Abrahamic faith and they both share in the same God but by a different name.

With that said, writers need to detract from politics and religion. With the smoke and mirrors of her personality, people lose sight of the perceived flaw. Her faith was only mentioned once in the game, to describe her surcoat which is part of her cosmetic, However, that is enough of a mention to drive Islamphobic people insane.

Exactly! Around the same time when all the feminist and woke nonsense rose from the ashes.

Definitely not a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence that Disney placed certain political hiring practices on Marvel when they bought them. It's a happy coincidence though that the writers for Kamala's books happened to be competent and not just random diversity quota fillers or political activists fresh from social study classes(from this we see examples with the controversies of New Warriors, Children of the Atom, etc).

Btw, we're talking about the third largest religion in the United States, so I don't see what's wrong about giving them fair representation. Kamala and her family are pretty positive examples of westernized Muslims who are integrating well and contributing to the society, this falls pretty close to the heart of the American immigrant story. People seeking a better way of life and coming to the west in pursuit of freedom, success and happiness.

I've read Ms. Marvel books and they're good stuff. Perhaps not as quite as good as the old school Marvel, but then again nothing they produce can reach that level under the current political and artistic censorship.

For the game, they wrote her awesomely relatable and as Andrew pointed out, a very believable child character who represents us all who were swept away by the comic books back when we were kids.

Her skin is brown and she brings up her religion sometimes? Oh please, do I really have to point out that we have had Ororo Munroe, Kurt Wagner, Kitty Pride and many more in the comic books for decades; all of them examples of characters of strong faith, relaying the message of tolerance towards minorities and those who are different. And how we can all put our differences aside and work together for a better tomorrow.

[Wormlore]

Originally posted by Andrew:

Kamala was created in Captain Marvel #14 (August 2013), despite some people believing that Crystal Dynamics created her. For some Americans, well a lot of Americans, she has a perceived flaw. She is Muslim.

I have argued with Christian friends that refuse to play the game because Kamala is a Muslim and feel that they could not immerse themselves into the game because they cannot share in her ideology. Despite myself telling them that Islam is an Abrahamic faith and they both share in the same God but by a different name.

With that said, writers need to detract from politics and religion. With the smoke and mirrors of her personality, people lose sight of the perceived flaw. Her faith was only mentioned once in the game, to describe her surcoat which is part of her cosmetic, However, that is enough of a mention to drive Islamphobic people insane.

Right, we should only have white male christian super-heroes so everyone can identify with them.

Just in case someone doesn't pick it up, that's sarcasm. If you didn't see it, fix your sarcasm-detector.

Seriously though, if you can't have a little diversity in comics/movies/game worlds because some people are stuck in the middle ages, that's on these people, not on the creators. I like diversity, I like playing as various different people. If some just want to avoid it all, it's on them to join the Mormons or something. So, my opinion is totally different from yours: our world is broad and diverse, and any fictional story that supposedly plays out in a world similar to our own definitely should reflect that diversity, or it's actually hurting immersion for the purpose of pandering to a few radical conservatives. So, I would say that writers need to embrace politics and religion. And I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any religion. But they are part of the world we live in. Put me in a "modern world" setting without any trace of religion and I'll start questioning the game setting.

Also, Kamala Khan is one of the very few muslim characters in the comics stage, even more so as she's an even rarer "open" muslim (though she's about as muslim as my mother is christian: she has faith in her god, but she doesn't go through the motions all that much). If anything, they are severely under-represented. If your friends can't handle that much, you must be having a tough time talking with them on any remotely serious subject.

That said, they are free to play or not play anything they want. I just find this particular reason ridiculous. That must severely limit the range of games they play. :D

[stash123]

what a weird world we live in.

[NaughtyWookie]

Some ppl are so fragile.

[soulxhawk]

I actually found Khamala much more likeable in this game then her solo comic. Ironically I find her better in team up material such as Ultimate Alliance 3 and Champions more then her own comic because the writer just makes such a big deal out of the fact she is Muslim to the point it gets annoying. As for her in this game I am currently playing the campaign now and while I don't think she is a Mary Sue I do not like how this is this fan fic writer who is praised for the smallest things. I can get being an everyday person and looking up to the Avengers, but Ms. Marvel always takes a bit too far for me. It is one thing when Hulk or Ironman compliments her after a mission, but that opening A day scene was cringy. Captain America, Black Widow, and Thor read her fan fiction and loved it? I can find it believable Captain America maybe read some of the entrees but Black Widow and Thor reading fan fiction about themselves?

Ideally Peter Parker would have been a much better choice as the younger and new hero being thrown into this world, but remember this game started development back in 2015 when the Disney and Sony Spider-Man deal was brand new and X-Men and Fantastic 4 characters were obviously out of the question too.

[Obsidian]

Originally posted by Captain Worthy:

Originally posted by Obsidian:

Exactly! Around the same time when all the feminist and woke nonsense rose from the ashes.

Definitely not a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence that Disney placed certain political hiring practices on Marvel when they bought them. It's a happy coincidence though that the writers for Kamala's books happened to be competent and not just random diversity quota fillers or political activists fresh from social study classes(from this we see examples with the controversies of New Warriors, Children of the Atom, etc).

Btw, we're talking about the third largest religion in the United States, so I don't see what's wrong about giving them fair representation. Kamala and her family are pretty positive examples of westernized Muslims who are integrating well and contributing to the society, this falls pretty close to the heart of the American immigrant story. People seeking a better way of life and coming to the west in pursuit of freedom, success and happiness.

I've read Ms. Marvel books and they're good stuff. Perhaps not as quite as good as the old school Marvel, but then again nothing they produce can reach that level under the current political and artistic censorship.

For the game, they wrote her awesomely relatable and as Andrew pointed out, a very believable child character who represents us all who were swept away by the comic books back when we were kids.

Her skin is brown and she brings up her religion sometimes? Oh please, do I really have to point out that we have had Ororo Munroe, Kurt Wagner, Kitty Pride and many more in the comic books for decades; all of them examples of characters of strong faith, relaying the message of tolerance towards minorities and those who are different. And how we can all put our differences aside and work together for a better tomorrow.

That's the short-bus way of labeling "woke", Cap, and I refuse to ride it.

*I* don't consider MA's is "woke" due to Kamala being Muslim at all.

My issue is the date of her arrival doing the rise of the feminist movement and how Disney, SE, Hollywood, etc. are rewriting their iconic female heroes' intial appearance, first introduced as being powerful, skilled and sexy, but today, the hard-feminist are angry because they feel like "being sexy in games, etc. is exploiting women" etc. bs. but these same hypocrites has no problem watching and promoting RuPaul in a dang Leotard and Corset with fishnets on and another man in a dress on a baby show is alright in their eyes.

[Captain Worthy]

Originally posted by soulxhawk:

I actually found Khamala much more likeable in this game then her solo comic. Ironically I find her better in team up material such as Ultimate Alliance 3 and Champions more then her own comic because the writer just makes such a big deal out of the fact she is Muslim to the point it gets annoying. As for her in this game I am currently playing the campaign now and while I don't think she is a Mary Sue I do not like how this is this fan fic writer who is praised for the smallest things. I can get being an everyday person and looking up to the Avengers, but Ms. Marvel always takes a bit too far for me. It is one thing when Hulk or Ironman compliments her after a mission, but that opening A day scene was cringy. Captain America, Black Widow, and Thor read her fan fiction and loved it? I can find it believable Captain America maybe read some of the entrees but Black Widow and Thor reading fan fiction about themselves?

Ideally Peter Parker would have been a much better choice as the younger and new hero being thrown into this world, but remember this game started development back in 2015 when the Disney and Sony Spider-Man deal was brand new and X-Men and Fantastic 4 characters were obviously out of the question too.

You forget that A-Day was a children's event too. And the fan fiction competition was very important to some of these kids.

Of course the Avengers would respect that, and Steve would be damn sure to read every single story and memorize them so he would be ready to do the right thing when the kids met him, to make them feel proud of themselves.

They didn't just pick Kamala out from the crowd; the story does that by playing itself from her perspective as a proragonist. Steve undoubtedly gave positive encouragement to any kid who met him that day.

Later on in the story, Kamala is still a kid and the others try to be responsible adults and role models for her because they know how much she looks up to them all. They'd do the same for anyone like her that would be in the same position; unable to even go home unless AIM is taken down.

[Mikedis36]

she is so cringe, just like the rest of the game

[Maximum Sloth]

Originally posted by Pixel:

Kamala is such a mary sue character who gives up in every scene, and always has this "Oh no you don't agree with me? Let me run away from my problems until a named hero gives me a pep talk. " thing going on. It makes her look spineless and just...whiny.

Named characters just keep dropping in out of nowhere to tell her how great she and her father is despite how everything she does causes other people to have to clean up her mess. Then after cleaning up her mess, they go on to tell her how EVERYONE sees her as a hero and that she's the greatest ever.

It just reeks of mock-inclusiveness. If it was once or twice, it would make sense. But Kamala is such an easily swayed person that I'm sure she could be convinced to shapeshift into a giant and eat a live human baby with a stern raising of your voice and a gentle swat with a rolled up newspaper, and then you could convince her that she's what's wrong with the world for doing what you said, and she'd go "Oh yeah you're right, I'm a horrible hero and I don't deserve to be a hero, so I won't anymore" until Banner looks at her once for two seconds and then she's like "HE'S RIGHT I'M THE BEST HERO THAT EVER LIVED AND I SHOULD DISREGARD THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT ME SO I CAN RECKLESSLY ENDANGER THEM SO THEY GIVE ME MORE HEADPATS AND TELL ME IT'S ALL GOING TO BE OK!"

However, once you have that same cutscene and story beat play out 4 times in the first hour or two of gameplay, it ends up coming across as forced. You didn't have to show Uncle Ben get shot from 6 different angles 4 times every hour in the spiderman movie. You didn't have to show Logan going through weapon X trials every single episode of X-men.

If kamala caused someone to get hurt and went "Oh ♥♥♥♥ I need to be careful. This is why there are rules, but sometimes you have to break those rules" that would show character growth. From start to end, Kamala never grows up. She never improves. The rest of the cast is shoved into a corner while she gets the spotlight for her to spout cheesy lines from "Her father" only to instantly falter in her strict beliefs that she just chewed someone out for not following along with.

There's literally a moment where she gets all upset that someone doesn't want to immediately befriend her, runs off like a sullen child because "Boo hoo not everyone is a happy-go-lucky person when people are dying" and then risks her life, the lives of the avengers, and the other inhumans so she can....swing at a few robots and then pass out, then wake up, get drugged after going "NO DON'T DO IT", wakes up again and goes *Deeper* into the enemy base to "Go home to jersey" because she can't "Be a hero".

This all happens in the span of like....10 minutes, with a lackluster boss fight and a few rooms of mobs (and a lot of opening doors) in between.

This is after she essentially single-handedly saves the avengers and the world by just showing up and punching some people while joking about how she should name her "Super moves" and starts yelling "SUPER SLAM" when you heavy attack.

I don't get it. Marvel is FANTASTIC at writing comics. Their stories can be some of the best given the right writers. I know marvel has always been more lighthearted than DC for the most part but Kamala doesn't feel lighthearted. She feels poorly written. The thing is, she feels like a shell of a character where depth and character growth could be a great payoff for her. Having Kamala become that strong-willed anchor that holds the team together sounds fantastic, but instead it's like the Avengers essentially babysitting the Worlds most-least important tantrum throwing child.

Tony is great. Banner is great. Black widow is great. Hell, JARVIS is great.

But what gives With Kamala? Why is she so lazy feeling in a sea of amazing comic characters? It's not interesting to watch someone winge at themselves AND at the people trying to help them for hours on end. It's annoying and makes me want to skip the cutscenes.

She's the typical precocious, whiny, obnoxious teen. It seems writers are incapable of writing teen characters who aren't intolerable.

That she's an insert to fit an agenda (not by CD, but by Marvel), just makes it worse.