Kamala Khan killed this game.

[robovader]

Had it been any of the classic Avengers starring the game, I would have bought it. But not with Kamala in a million years. And I can't be the only one.

[lefty1117]

yep she's fine, probably one of the more interesting parts of the game TBH. the campaign is pretty solid. Kate Bishop is the worst character in the game, so fcking annoying

[One2MainThemAll]

Well I am not fond of Kamala Kahn because that spot could have been filled by an actual Avenger that we would want to see. I don't see myself as Kamala, nor can I relate to her at all, and she doesn't bring back any fond memories of reading comics as a child. Honestly, the chief reason to not like her, is that she just a virtue signal for social justice platforms. She's only in the game as a poster child for diversity, and that's really what makes it silly.

So, no, it's not a hate trend, but people wanted an Avengers game with actual Avengers, of which there were quite a few, and they should be on the agenda right now. Plus, Marvel's current mode of trying to make every hero that made them famous ethnic, gay, and female is exactly why we had a slot wasted on Kate Bishop.

We didn't want to be part of this social justice experiment, we just wanted to play a game with the Avengers that actually worked as advertised. With the characters whose names you used to get us to buy this dumpster fire.

Yeah, you can tout the Kamala crap all day, but it would have better served the game to use the nostalgia they were using to get us here, and give us the Avengers we expected to see and not this farce.

There's a reason Marvel was dying anyway, despite the emergence of the MCU, and it's exemplified in Kamala.

[lefty1117]

Your whole premise is that Marvel is dying because it doesn't stick to the white characters that you grew up with. No matter how you try to couch the argument, that's the essence of it, and that's why I'm glad such close-minded thinking isn't running things anymore at Marvel. Here's the line that outed the truth: "I don't see myself as Kamala, nor can I relate to her at all, and she doesn't bring back any fond memories of reading comics as a child."

[MegaMohsi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από One2MainThemAll:

Well I am not fond of Kamala Kahn because that spot could have been filled by an actual Avenger that we would want to see. I don't see myself as Kamala, nor can I relate to her at all, and she doesn't bring back any fond memories of reading comics as a child. Honestly, the chief reason to not like her, is that she just a virtue signal for social justice platforms. She's only in the game as a poster child for diversity, and that's really what makes it silly.

So, no, it's not a hate trend, but people wanted an Avengers game with actual Avengers, of which there were quite a few, and they should be on the agenda right now. Plus, Marvel's current mode of trying to make every hero that made them famous ethnic, gay, and female is exactly why we had a slot wasted on Kate Bishop.

We didn't want to be part of this social justice experiment, we just wanted to play a game with the Avengers that actually worked as advertised. With the characters whose names you used to get us to buy this dumpster fire.

Yeah, you can tout the Kamala crap all day, but it would have better served the game to use the nostalgia they were using to get us here, and give us the Avengers we expected to see and not this farce.

There's a reason Marvel was dying anyway, despite the emergence of the MCU, and it's exemplified in Kamala.

that's a lot of words to say I hate women and non white people.

[MegaMohsi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από alex33x:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Captain Worthy:

The deal is that there are people on the internet who hate Kamala Khan, it's just one hate trend among many others. And a lot of people want to be sheep who follow trends. Reading her books and actually finding out how well she's written isn't a trend, so relatively few people ever find out she's one of the best new superheroes from Marvel in a long time.

The have for Kamala Khan is not a trend. People keep saying, that Kamala Khan, is universally hated for being a minority, but its not true, Marvel has had minorities as super heroes since the 1960's.

Then people keep saying, oh but nobody cares about playing with white super heroes, which is not the case either. The point is, they did not make an original character, they took the name of an already popular character, race swapped her, then promoted Carol Danvers to Captain Marvel because of feminism and social justice.

Because Captain America, Vision, Thor, Hawkeye and Hulk are the original Avengers and have always been part of the core avengers, Not introduced, for virtue signaling, like Kamala Khan, Mike Morales, America Chavez. Robbie Reyes, Iron Heart or Carol Danvers Captain Marvel. I'm fine with Danvers as Miss Marvel in fact she was amazing as Miss Marvel, who she has been since the 60's. I will never be fine with token characters, look at what happened with the newest Marvel creation, New Warriors, I dont think they even made it to comic no.1 before it was cancelled.

I wouldn't mind playing as Storm, Blade, NIck Fury, Cloak, War Machine, Black Panther, Blue Marvel, Luke Cage, or Goliath for example, they are and have always been part of the Marvel Universe and have been in the Avengers at some point. But I am not ok, with the Disney virtue signaling, race or gender swapping, to advance an SJW agenda.

Like I said Marvel has plenty of colored heroes of every gender, race and every walk of life. There's no need to ruin 60 years or lore and mythos, to advance an identity politics agenda, with fake wokeness.

DC is just making a killing in the comics industry with their own back to basics approach, except for heroes still fighting other heroes in some form; with stories like DC Rebirth, Doomsday Clock, and the rocking Dark Knight Metal storylines. Of course TV shows, such as Batwoman and the birds of prey movie, shows how an SJW agenda can turn into a dumpster fire.

The secret? A lack of politics in their stories, heroes fighting bad guys, solving mysteries, saving the day, providing readers with true "escapism" which is the whole point of comic books, games and movies. Marvel, however, decided to provide readers with a window into the world of political correctness and identity politics. However, Marvel is tanking right now with blow after blow rocking their organizational structure due to lackluster comic book sales and some controversies along the way.

What has Marvel Done? they decided to turn Thor into a woman, negating the appeal that Chris Hemsworth has with the ladies. Give the mantle of Captain America to Falcon. There’s also the controversial decision to replace Tony Stark with black female teen Riri Williams who did not have a compelling backstory. She replicates Tony’s armor, tries it out on some bad guys and voila, a replacement for Iron Man because of—diversity. Let’s also turn Hulk into a woman because Korean Amadeus Cho Hulk doesn’t seem to be working. Let’s give Jennifer Walters, the Sensational She-Hulk, PTSD that turns her into a more monstrous version. It’s quite interesting for sure, but nothing seemed to come out of it. Another feminine push was replacing Logan Wolverine with Laura Kinney (X-23) Wolverine. Also for some reason, someone at Marvel really wants Peter Parker dead and replace him with black Latino Miles Morales. But do they really want to lose the Great Power Great Responsibility tagline? Aside from an actual Savage She-Hulk, another positive note is Latino Robbie Reyes as Ghost Rider who turned out quite awesome.

As an older reader knowing Iceman to be playboy straight, I find it quite jarring if just for the sake of representation. Marvel could have gone to market already known gay characters like Northstar or Hulkling as premiere characters instead. Some, however, say that gay Iceman was as poorly written as lesbian Latina hero America Chavez which actually damaged Marvel’s push for representation. These characters did not represent gay people properly. America Chavez was said to be written as a childish racist brat who is the opposite of a proper role model for readers; unless that was what the writer intended.

Don't even get me started on the MCU phase 4, Disney created an amazing universe, just to completely destroy it, the same as they did with Star Wars.

Another thing to note, is Kamala Khan, is pretty much a copy of Reed Richards Mr. Fantastic, whose powers have never appealed to me. You'd think if they were going to rob Carol Danvers of the mantle of Miss Marvel, they would at least thought of a great character with amazing powers.

you keep repeating the same buzzwords of token, SJW, Virtue Signaling so I know you're actually not smart or serious. Just a garbage person regurgitating right wing propaganda.

[RobotMan #08]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από robovader:

Had it been any of the classic Avengers starring the game, I would have bought it. But not with Kamala in a million years. And I can't be the only one.

I love how everyone in this thread is bringing up religion, politics, race & gender...when all the OP ever said was that he wanted it to be about a "Classic Avenger" and not Kamala.

Maybe OP's just a fan of the old-school comics, anyone ever think about that?!

[Dr Iron Marvel]

Lack of any specific hero, like spiderman for playstation, lying about patrol mode, and cloning labs, and all the bugs still in the game is whats killing the game.

[Captain Worthy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από lefty1117:

Your whole premise is that Marvel is dying because it doesn't stick to the white characters that you grew up with. No matter how you try to couch the argument, that's the essence of it, and that's why I'm glad such close-minded thinking isn't running things anymore at Marvel. Here's the line that outed the truth: "I don't see myself as Kamala, nor can I relate to her at all, and she doesn't bring back any fond memories of reading comics as a child."

I grew up with seeing plenty of ethnic minorities in Marvel comics, every series featured them even when the main character was white. Not surprising nor out of place at all as US & New York in particular has been one of the main ethnic melting pots of the world for a long time.

Close minded thinking at Marvel was never running things there. They probably had some people holding them back before the Marvel days but the first black superhero was created in the 60's after the company had become Marvel Comics.

It took them a long time to create Hindu or Muslim superheroes though, which is a bit strange seeing how long North American natives, Latin America and even the Australian natives have had representation in Marvel comics.

[robovader]

Op here. I grew up in the eighties and I would have liked to play the main quest as one of the movie Avengers, maybe Iron Man or cap. Kamala Khan means absolutely nothing to me.

[Captain Worthy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από robovader:

Op here. I grew up in the eighties and I would have liked to play the main quest as one of the movie Avengers, maybe Iron Man or cap. Kamala Khan means absolutely nothing to me.

But you play through the main quest as Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Thor and Black Widow too.

[RobotMan #08]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Captain Worthy:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από robovader:

Op here. I grew up in the eighties and I would have liked to play the main quest as one of the movie Avengers, maybe Iron Man or cap. Kamala Khan means absolutely nothing to me.

But you play through the main quest as Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Thor and Black Widow too.

Not everyone's is a fan of "Stretchy" and it sometimes doesn't boil down to all the things that people "think" is their reasoning behind just not linking a character. I just found the character a bit dull & I honestly would've rather seen another Classic Avenger assume the lead role in the game as well. Mainly I think of Vision being a better choice & could've gone into the story of Ultron instead of the Terrigen Mist Incident. IMO, they could've done a million different things and not everyone of them is going to appeal to the whole world without someone not liking it, that's just the way this world works.

It doesn't mean that there is always a case of race, religion or even politics involved in the reasoning behind someone not liking something. For instance, i don't like Kimchee, but that's not because of where it originated from, or the race, religion and political viewpoints of the chef who made it for me...i just don't like it and the flavor period. I think people forget how that kind of stuff works anymore nowadays & try to dig deeper into needing a reason to pinpoint certain aspect of someones distaste for something.

[Captain Worthy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ForbeZ:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Captain Worthy:

But you play through the main quest as Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Thor and Black Widow too.

Not everyone's is a fan of "Stretchy" and it sometimes doesn't boil down to all the things that people "think" is their reasoning behind just not linking a character. I just found the character a bit dull & I honestly would've rather seen another Classic Avenger assume the lead role in the game as well. Mainly I think of Vision being a better choice & could've gone into the story of Ultron instead of the Terrigen Mist Incident. IMO, they could've done a million different things and not everyone of them is going to appeal to the whole world without someone not liking it, that's just the way this world works.

It doesn't mean that there is always a case of race, religion or even politics involved in the reasoning behind someone not liking something. For instance, i don't like Kimchee, but that's not because of where it originated from, or the race, religion and political viewpoints of the chef who made it for me...i just don't like it and the flavor period. I think people forget how that kind of stuff works anymore nowadays & try to dig deeper into needing a reason to pinpoint certain aspect of someones distaste for something.

Sure, but does it kill the grocery store for you if they sell Kimchee?

How does it kill the game if you don't like one character out of the nine playable ones? Soon there will be 10 of them on Playstation. Next year maybe three more.

[RobotMan #08]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Captain Worthy:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ForbeZ:

Not everyone's is a fan of "Stretchy" and it sometimes doesn't boil down to all the things that people "think" is their reasoning behind just not linking a character. I just found the character a bit dull & I honestly would've rather seen another Classic Avenger assume the lead role in the game as well. Mainly I think of Vision being a better choice & could've gone into the story of Ultron instead of the Terrigen Mist Incident. IMO, they could've done a million different things and not everyone of them is going to appeal to the whole world without someone not liking it, that's just the way this world works.

It doesn't mean that there is always a case of race, religion or even politics involved in the reasoning behind someone not liking something. For instance, i don't like Kimchee, but that's not because of where it originated from, or the race, religion and political viewpoints of the chef who made it for me...i just don't like it and the flavor period. I think people forget how that kind of stuff works anymore nowadays & try to dig deeper into needing a reason to pinpoint certain aspect of someones distaste for something.

Sure, but does it kill the grocery store for you if they sell Kimchee?

How does it kill the game if you don't like one character out of the nine playable ones? Soon there will be 10 of them on Playstation. Next year maybe three more.

I think you missed my point, but i'll play along for the fun of it.

It didn't kill the grocery store for me for not liking one single product (Kimchee), similar to the single main character (Kamala) in the story campaign. The grocery store offers more of a variety in items that I MAY or may not like (spring rolls, cheeseburgers, chicken alfredo, pizza), similar to how there are more heroes in the game that I may or may not like just as well (Iron Man Captain, America, Hulk, Thor).

Now back to my point, it's not always about liking or not liking the character because of a certain aspect to the them as far as religion/race/sex/culture/politics. I don't really like Condiment King cause i think he's just kinda lame, but I like ketchup & mustard....heck, even Mayo!

[Captain Worthy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ForbeZ:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Captain Worthy:

Sure, but does it kill the grocery store for you if they sell Kimchee?

How does it kill the game if you don't like one character out of the nine playable ones? Soon there will be 10 of them on Playstation. Next year maybe three more.

I think you missed my point, but i'll play along for the fun of it.

It didn't kill the grocery store for me for not liking one single product (Kimchee), similar to the single main character (Kamala) in the story campaign. The grocery store offers more of a variety in items that I MAY or may not like (spring rolls, cheeseburgers, chicken alfredo, pizza), similar to how there are more heroes in the game that I may or may not like just as well (Iron Man Captain, America, Hulk, Thor).

Now back to my point, it's not always about liking or not liking the character because of a certain aspect to the them as far as religion/race/sex/culture/politics. I don't really like Condiment King cause i think he's just kinda lame, but I like ketchup & mustard....heck, even Mayo!

I didn't miss your point, I agree with it. Not everyone likes everything and neither do they even need to, but to discard an entire game because one of the many playable characters isn't what you like goes a bit too far.

[RobotMan #08]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Captain Worthy:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ForbeZ:

I think you missed my point, but i'll play along for the fun of it.

It didn't kill the grocery store for me for not liking one single product (Kimchee), similar to the single main character (Kamala) in the story campaign. The grocery store offers more of a variety in items that I MAY or may not like (spring rolls, cheeseburgers, chicken alfredo, pizza), similar to how there are more heroes in the game that I may or may not like just as well (Iron Man Captain, America, Hulk, Thor).

Now back to my point, it's not always about liking or not liking the character because of a certain aspect to the them as far as religion/race/sex/culture/politics. I don't really like Condiment King cause i think he's just kinda lame, but I like ketchup & mustard....heck, even Mayo!

I didn't miss your point, I agree with it. Not everyone likes everything and neither do they even need to, but to discard an entire game because one of the many playable characters isn't what you like goes a bit too far.

But then you get back to your mentality of trying to enforce a specific reason as to why the OP should think your opinion matters more than their own because you believe his decision to not purchase a game solely for just not liking the main character "going to far". How is that fair exactly? I personally don't like playing FPS games, but i'm also not gonna spend my money & force myself into playing every single one of them because of a different story or characters involved.

I love the Batman Arkham games, but I personally don't want a Batman branded game to where the main story campaign is primarily focused and played through as Alfred the Butler. Where as to only playing tidbits here & there of other superheroes like Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing, or Batman himself. Maybe that's more relate-able than shopping for Kimchee.