Whats the point of LEVELING UP!!!!!

[shad]

when the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rooms also level up with us???? Im wasting my freaking time getting stronger for what. The witcher 3 didnt play like this. WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?? I thought the whole dame purpose to level up was to get stronger. What the hell is this. Someone please explain this to me.

[JJ]

Level to unlock skills...... it took me like...5 minutes into the game to figure that out

[shad]

Originally posted by JJ:

Level to unlock skills...... it took me like...5 minutes into the game to figure that out

Im not talking about skills bro. I got all my skills in two days. Im talking about the power levels.

[Konel]

Power Levels are not tied to the level itself. There is level which is your characters level and power level which is your gear score. Your power level matters for endgame 130 is the highest gear that drops right now. The stats on the gear matter to how you wish to play the character.

[shad]

Originally posted by Konel:

Power Levels are not tied to the level itself. There is level which is your characters level and power level which is your gear score. Your power level matters for endgame 130 is the highest gear that drops right now. The stats on the gear matter to how you wish to play the character.

OMG it shouldent be that way. Im thinking ok in order to play this room it says i have to hit level 40. So i get to level 45 and im thinking i could go into that level with a advantage being leveled up more. I want it to be like the witcher games. Hell were doing all this grinding for nothing. This is so sad news for me. The heroic missions dont seem to level up with you for some reason. Dame this is the only thing that kinda kills my experience right now

[Forced2Finish]

Originally posted by shad:

Originally posted by Konel:

Power Levels are not tied to the level itself. There is level which is your characters level and power level which is your gear score. Your power level matters for endgame 130 is the highest gear that drops right now. The stats on the gear matter to how you wish to play the character.

OMG it shouldent be that way. Im thinking ok in order to play this room it says i have to hit level 40. So i get to level 45 and im thinking i could go into that level with a advantage being leveled up more. I want it to be like the witcher games. Hell were doing all this grinding for nothing. This is so sad news for me. The heroic missions dont seem to level up with you for some reason. Dame this is the only thing that kinda kills my experience right now

Change the difficulty if it's too hard for you..

The game works like this..

You can literally run the same mission over and over and you will lvl to 50 character, then continue to run the same mission and it will level your power level all the way to 130. No need to run anything but 1 mission over and over.

Can get to 130 in about 5 hours of play.

Then after all that boring mess, you run Elite Hives to find some legendary gear that has stats on it that you want. Then upgrade that gear to 140, then run your dailies to get Poly resource to upgrade your Artifact to 10 which will make your Power Level 150.

That's the game right now. So find a Mission that is easy for you, and you can do quickly. I do "Bad Blood" myself, I get about 4-6 Power levels per run, and I can do a run in 10-15 minutes depending on what Hero I'm using.

[shad]

Originally posted by Gibson:

Originally posted by shad:

OMG it shouldent be that way. Im thinking ok in order to play this room it says i have to hit level 40. So i get to level 45 and im thinking i could go into that level with a advantage being leveled up more. I want it to be like the witcher games. Hell were doing all this grinding for nothing. This is so sad news for me. The heroic missions dont seem to level up with you for some reason. Dame this is the only thing that kinda kills my experience right now

Change the difficulty if it's too hard for you..

The game works like this..

You can literally run the same mission over and over and you will lvl to 50 character, then continue to run the same mission and it will level your power level all the way to 130. No need to run anything but 1 mission over and over.

Can get to 130 in about 5 hours of play.

Then after all that boring mess, you run Elite Hives to find some legendary gear that has stats on it that you want. Then upgrade that gear to 140, then run your dailies to get Poly resource to upgrade your Artifact to 10 which will make your Power Level 150.

That's the game right now. So find a Mission that is easy for you, and you can do quickly. I do "Bad Blood" myself, I get about 4-6 Power levels per run, and I can do a run in 10-15 minutes depending on what Hero I'm using.

Im just trying to ask whats the purpose of all this??? Why should i get to level 130? I will get nothing from it at all is what im trying to say. Every game has those levels where you had to hit that certain level number in order to play it. If you get at a higher level than they ask for it makes it better for you. But not this game. This game wants you to stay even LEVELED with them. The game is challenging, but i want to grind my way to the top. I want to get better and make my players better. With this game we cant do that here.......jesus crist i got all my characters to 50 power level all for nothing.

Also why does the iconic missions not change their levels???

[Forced2Finish]

Originally posted by shad:

Originally posted by Gibson:

Change the difficulty if it's too hard for you..

The game works like this..

You can literally run the same mission over and over and you will lvl to 50 character, then continue to run the same mission and it will level your power level all the way to 130. No need to run anything but 1 mission over and over.

Can get to 130 in about 5 hours of play.

Then after all that boring mess, you run Elite Hives to find some legendary gear that has stats on it that you want. Then upgrade that gear to 140, then run your dailies to get Poly resource to upgrade your Artifact to 10 which will make your Power Level 150.

That's the game right now. So find a Mission that is easy for you, and you can do quickly. I do "Bad Blood" myself, I get about 4-6 Power levels per run, and I can do a run in 10-15 minutes depending on what Hero I'm using.

Im just trying to ask whats the purpose of all this??? Why should i get to level 130? I will get nothing from it at all is what im trying to say. Every game has those levels where you had to hit that certain level number in order to play it. If you get at a higher level than they ask for it makes it better for you. But not this game. This game wants you to stay even LEVELED with them. The game is challenging, but i want to grind my way to the top. I want to get better and make my players better. With this game we cant do that here.......jesus crist i got all my characters to 50 power level all for nothing.

Also why does the iconic missions not change their levels???

Maybe you shouldn't play games then, because there really is no point to any game other than to waste time and have some fun. If you aren't having fun then stop doing it.

Also you said 50 Power Level.. That is Character level not Power Level, they are 2 different things.

If you think about what you are saying it doesn't make sense.

Lets take World of Warcraft for instance. You level and move to an area with monsters the same or greater level then you. You don't go to the newb area to level up, because you don't get much exp for doing that.

Same here. You just do it all the time, you continually climb. Like I said, run the same mission no matter what one. You will eventually hit lvl 50 and PL 130 in a few hours.

The point is to get to max level just like any other game. Get all your abilities and gear so you can do Raids when they come.

[shad]

Originally posted by Gibson:

Originally posted by shad:

Im just trying to ask whats the purpose of all this??? Why should i get to level 130? I will get nothing from it at all is what im trying to say. Every game has those levels where you had to hit that certain level number in order to play it. If you get at a higher level than they ask for it makes it better for you. But not this game. This game wants you to stay even LEVELED with them. The game is challenging, but i want to grind my way to the top. I want to get better and make my players better. With this game we cant do that here.......jesus crist i got all my characters to 50 power level all for nothing.

Also why does the iconic missions not change their levels???

Maybe you shouldn't play games then, because there really is no point to any game other than to waste time and have some fun. If you aren't having fun then stop doing it.

Also you said 50 Power Level.. That is Character level not Power Level, they are 2 different things.

Yeah i know. Have you ever played the witcher 3. Where you level up to get stronger so you can fight the enemy better. I dont understand what the idea here is. Im a offline player, and i think their doing this method for the online experience. I love everything else about this game. I just figure out why did they do the upgrade system like this.

We are suppose to get stronger the more we level up right???

[DeiGratia]

Its so they can recycle content. This is how you get to kills thousands of robots on the same maps. Cheap lazy company

[Moga CMDR]

Originally posted by DeiGratia:

Its so they can recycle content. This is how you get to kills thousands of robots on the same maps. Cheap lazy company

Sounds cynical, but this is correct.

Originally posted by Guild Sweetheart:

yeah, I get where you are coming from. I don't really consider them RPG mechanics anymore, that concept was bastardized years ago.

Instead I just see it as a fairly lazy and systematic way to slide you up to the cap, fighting the same enemies and maps you always did.

Since everything scales you can recycle everything, and still slowly gain power. Thats why I think its done.

Originally posted by Guild Sweetheart:

Originally posted by Ziron:

auto scale rpg mechanics means there is no rpg mechanics. period.

Exactly, which is why we just have to accept they are no longer rooted to the original use of such systems. Just how the industry shifted over the years.

Honestly I wouldn't mind riskier design ideas. But I don't think CD, SE or many companies like doing things a more challenging way. It could have been interesting if levels meant more, like certain areas on the map had fixed difficulty enemies you couldn't successfully fight till you hit a certain level.

But I know people would complain. I think most people are ok with the way things are now.

MA isn't an RPG, it is an action game with numbers. Its fine. But conceptually, I get ya.

[Big Alfredo]

Lower level gear gives lesser points (might, defense, etc) that affect your stats.

Example: a piece of level 1 gear gives 1 Might. a level 50 piece gives 50 Might. you do more damage with 50 might, than 1 might.

some heroes have more might/defense/special than other heroes normally. Thor has the highest special stat without gear.

[shad]

Originally posted by Big Alfredo:

Lower level gear gives lesser points (might, defense, etc) that affect your stats.

Example: a piece of level 1 gear gives 1 Might. a level 50 piece gives 50 Might. you do more damage with 50 might, than 1 might.

About this^^^......We are not even aware of how strong the robots are. They have no level above them. As far as i know if we are all at the same level as far as the room says, then who knows if were stronger or not. These numbers mean NOTHING!!!!.....why are we leveling up???? The only way i can see why to level up is if we go online and see who has the strongest character in there room. There is no achievement.......We cant get stronger....wtf

[Konel]

Originally posted by shad:

Originally posted by Big Alfredo:

Lower level gear gives lesser points (might, defense, etc) that affect your stats.

Example: a piece of level 1 gear gives 1 Might. a level 50 piece gives 50 Might. you do more damage with 50 might, than 1 might.

About this^^^......We are not even aware of how strong the robots are. They have no level above them. As far as i know if we are at the same level as far as the room says, then who knows if were stronger or not. These numbers mean NOTHING!!!!.....why are we leveling up???? The only way i can see why to level up is if we go online and see who has the strongest character in there room. There is no achievement.......We cant get stronger....wtf

Actually their power level is the level on the mission. So they would have base stats based on that. Getting stronger means you can take on harder content. The power level or gear score just allows you to do harder stuff. It is gatekeeping. All mmos do it. You need better gear to take on harder content. Normal level gear barely lets you take on heroics then you get better gear take on heroics with no problem move onto harder stuff.

[shad]

Originally posted by Konel:

Originally posted by shad:

About this^^^......We are not even aware of how strong the robots are. They have no level above them. As far as i know if we are at the same level as far as the room says, then who knows if were stronger or not. These numbers mean NOTHING!!!!.....why are we leveling up???? The only way i can see why to level up is if we go online and see who has the strongest character in there room. There is no achievement.......We cant get stronger....wtf

Actually their power level is the level on the mission. So they would have base stats based on that. Getting stronger means you can take on harder content. The power level or gear score just allows you to do harder stuff. It is gatekeeping. All mmos do it. You need better gear to take on harder content. Normal level gear barely lets you take on heroics then you get better gear take on heroics with no problem move onto harder stuff.

I like what you said here, but i wish it was different. I wish it was like the witcher games with their type of leveling up. Each robot should have a level number so we can see where we had to improve our characters. I wish each room stayed at a certain level instead of balancing itself to our level. I want to dominate enemies. I want to earn my way to dominate. This game gives you no payoffs....we cant grow in this game. I wonder what happens if i play in offline mode. Maybe the the level on the mission rooms will stop leveling up......wow

[Mavor]

The point of leveling up is to get stronger. Without any doubt, all my lvl50/pwr130+ heroes are *dramatically* stronger than they were during the leveling process.