Why is there so much hate for this game?

[Ben'sOnScreen]

Honestly it is just annoying people won't even give this game a chance. I've seen so many people hate on this game for things that are just not true. i get everyone's entitled to their own opinion but damn this seems excessive. Personally i'm super hyped for this game, what i've seen has been promising and i love the fact that all future hero additions and regions etc will be free. i think we just need to wait for the beta and see after that.

[sirkudjon]

From my point of view:
1 Game as live service
2 Macrotransactions/Lootboxes
3 Cut off content to be exclusive on other platforms
4 Game will be grindy af.
5 Upgrades does not even show visualy difference. aka boring loot
We will see more...

[modisnerd]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από alex33x:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SneakyErvin:

Not really true. You should read some interviews with her creator on why Kamala was created, which also explains why Carol became Captain Marvel.

Sure, Marvel/Disney may use Kamala as a token character, but it wasnt why she was created in the first place. Same as Carol didnt turn into Captain Marvel due to feminism when it happened. She's just become a feminist super hero icon since that happened, while the movie went a wee bit overboard with it when they made Mar'Vell a woman instead of the original intent of it being Jude Law's role.

Kamala however is more a story about how things arent just black and white. If belief in something can be kept even if you suddenly run into proof that there isnt a single god and you also end up idolizing these things, aswell as having godlike powers bestowed upon yourself.

Kinda the same dilemma Kurt runs into as a die hard christian when he meets Thor, a walking god that isnt supposed to exsist.

Kamala Khan, was created from the very beginning to be a token character/. She was created, because the creator said Muslims had no representation.

I have been a comic book fan since the 80's. The industry changed entirely about 7 years ago, when all this PC characters started being introduced. You should read this thread in it's entirely, many examples have been posted.

"In 2014, Kamala Khan made history in the comics by being the first Muslim Marvel character to headline her own title. The comic book by G. Willow Wilson focused on the Muslim American diaspora as the Muslim teenager went on her superhero adventures within the larger Marvel universe."

Not just that but she is Pakistani-Muslim, targeting two groups that have been discriminated. One in the UK and another one in the US because of what happened in 9-11. Disney just let it escalate as it always does.

Then you have the voice actress comments:

"Seeing a superhero story about a group as notable as the Avengers through someone like Kamala is incredibly important, says Saad. Too often, people of color are relegated to background roles in superhero narratives where they can run the risk of being portrayed with negative stereotypes. And that can be harmful to the emotional and mental development for kids of color and how they perceive themselves."

You have to wonder why Crystal Dynamics didn't use her likeness for the character, oh wait I know:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=1sandrasaad&set=a.910369082352303

Because the only thing Sandra Saad, that doesn't scream I'm white is her last name.

This is just more PC cancer because the most important part of any story should be interesting characters. It should never be about filling a quota. The obsession that a lot of the gaming media has with race and gender is embarrassing. A character can be any gender or race, but if it is not interesting or connects to the story, then this is a big problem.

And this is exactly what Disney and Marvel are doing. Look at what happened to Star Wars, now the MCU is going down the same path. It's not more about the story or interesting characters it's about meeting a quote or gender, races, and sexual preference. This keeps alienating the fans.

Comic book sales have been in a slump, ever since the whole social justice movement started:

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/04/04/marvel-exec-blames-diverse-characters-slump-sales

Marvel is one of the few franchises, that doesn't need to cater to political correctness. There are 60 year old heroes in the Marvel Mythos that can be used. But instead Disney keeps Gender and Race swapping characters just to make a quick buck off minorities. This is just more virtue signaling, white guilt and fake wokeness which plagues big corporations now a days.

Look at Iron Man, Stan Lee said that iron Man was never a very popular character, yet the movies made him probably the most popular character in the Marvel Universe. Now take Carol Danvers the real Miss Marvel, who was a fan favorite character., Then look at how her popularity dropped because Disney tried to shove feminism down the fans throat with Brie Larson.

Cancel Culture should not be a thing, and it needs to be fought.

Dude, that's really an awesome analysis, you are pretty much spot on with everything you said. You are right, we need to stop this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the only way is to talk with our wallets, stop spending money on woke propaganda, its cringe, its bad, its not welcome, only enjoyed by about 10 blue haired degenerates.

[saucemasterx]

imagine being so insecure that you complain about fictional characters with a different gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation

game will still be trash tho

[Achilles]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από lostinthesauce:

imagine being so insecure that you complain about fictional characters with a different gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation

game will still be trash tho

That seems to be the response of anyone defending woke garbage, "imagine being so insecure"
maybe because it destroys everything it touches. Let me fix your statement for you though

"imagine being so insecure that you complain about loved fictional characters that have been with generations, that have been gender swapped, ethnically changed, and sexual orientation changed"

Makes a bit more sense now why people would be a bit upset, am I right?

[omgitsbees]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ben.i5:

Honestly it is just annoying people won't even give this game a chance. I've seen so many people hate on this game for things that are just not true. i get everyone's entitled to their own opinion but damn this seems excessive. Personally i'm super hyped for this game, what i've seen has been promising and i love the fact that all future hero additions and regions etc will be free. i think we just need to wait for the beta and see after that.

Having played the beta this weekend, the game just isn't good.

[saucemasterx]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Achilles:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από lostinthesauce:

imagine being so insecure that you complain about fictional characters with a different gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation

game will still be trash tho

That seems to be the response of anyone defending woke garbage, "imagine being so insecure"
maybe because it destroys everything it touches. Let me fix your statement for you though

"imagine being so insecure that you complain about loved fictional characters that have been with generations, that have been gender swapped, ethnically changed, and sexual orientation changed"

Makes a bit more sense now why people would be a bit upset, am I right?

Nah still doesn't

All of the original characters that supposedly had this happen to them are still around. Like Iron Man and Ironheart, Ms Marvel and Cpt Marvel, Miles and Peter, X-23 and Wolverine, Jane Foster and Thor, Hulk and She-Hulk, the different Ghost Riders, the list goes on and on.

Only special case I can think of would be Iceman being gay all of a sudden but honestly who cares?

Marvel is more diverse now and that's not a problem

[Bacon]

people like to complain now that they aren't working anymore. It's just a super hero game and people looking at it like its the second coming.

[Snow]

I think it got hate because people seem to think it's an anthem clone, and now even more hate because spider man is exclusive to ps.
Oh but the most important part is: people where disappointed with the 1st demo, where they showed way too many cinematic sequences instead of actual gameplay. The opening of the game was too "cinematic". Personaly I think it was awesome and it's only done for an intro.

[TimidObserver]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Eguzky:

And what makes it 'social justice' or 'identity politics'? The fact that you don't like her?

How is her being the main character any different than ANYONE being the main character?
Once again, people are screaming 'politics' when it's something THEY hate.

It's nothing but a thin wall to hide the truth that said people crapping their pants and squawking 'SJW!' are just upset they have to play as, or have included, a character who's identity/race/gender/etc they don't like.

And these same people say the same thing 'I don't mind a lesbian/gay/intersex/trans in my games! Just not THIS GAME'
Or the NEXT game they get upset over. Or the next. Or the next.

They 'don't mind' but they always move the goal line to never include those things they 'don't mind'. Because it's all a big, fat lie to avoid looking like, or admitting, they are bigots.

What makes it social justice? The fact that square enix says it is.
https://twitter.com/SquareEnix/status/1292886289650315265

[Cyotey]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Snowblaze:

I think it got hate because people seem to think it's an anthem clone, and now even more hate because spider man is exclusive to ps.
Oh but the most important part is: people where disappointed with the 1st demo, where they showed way too many cinematic sequences instead of actual gameplay. The opening of the game was too "cinematic". Personaly I think it was awesome and it's only done for an intro.

A lot of the early footage made the game look pretty clunky and uninspired but they've shown a lot of promising stuff before the beta released. You can also state that this is a Destiny 2 clone and any other looter shooter. Game genre ideas have pretty much been burned out. It's about the type of repetition you personally like. There will always be creativity but you can always compare one game to another to some extent.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από alex33x:

Kamala Khan, was created from the very beginning to be a token character/. She was created, because the creator said Muslims had no representation.

I have been a comic book fan since the 80's. The industry changed entirely about 7 years ago, when all this PC characters started being introduced. You should read this thread in it's entirely, many examples have been posted.

"In 2014, Kamala Khan made history in the comics by being the first Muslim Marvel character to headline her own title. The comic book by G. Willow Wilson focused on the Muslim American diaspora as the Muslim teenager went on her superhero adventures within the larger Marvel universe."

Not just that but she is Pakistani-Muslim, targeting two groups that have been discriminated. One in the UK and another one in the US because of what happened in 9-11. Disney just let it escalate as it always does.

Then you have the voice actress comments:

"Seeing a superhero story about a group as notable as the Avengers through someone like Kamala is incredibly important, says Saad. Too often, people of color are relegated to background roles in superhero narratives where they can run the risk of being portrayed with negative stereotypes. And that can be harmful to the emotional and mental development for kids of color and how they perceive themselves."

I didn't realize she had some history already. I thought she was created very recently. And that's a good point. Muslims haven't (until her creation) had any representation. Whether I like her as a hero or not it's still great to see diversity and inclusion. I can at least agree with that.

[Snow]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cyotey:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Snowblaze:

I think it got hate because people seem to think it's an anthem clone, and now even more hate because spider man is exclusive to ps.
Oh but the most important part is: people where disappointed with the 1st demo, where they showed way too many cinematic sequences instead of actual gameplay. The opening of the game was too "cinematic". Personaly I think it was awesome and it's only done for an intro.

A lot of the early footage made the game look pretty clunky and uninspired but they've shown a lot of promising stuff before the beta released. You can also state that this is a Destiny 2 clone and any other looter shooter. Game genre ideas have pretty much been burned out. It's about the type of repetition you personally like. There will always be creativity but you can always compare one game to another to some extent.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από alex33x:

Kamala Khan, was created from the very beginning to be a token character/. She was created, because the creator said Muslims had no representation.

I have been a comic book fan since the 80's. The industry changed entirely about 7 years ago, when all this PC characters started being introduced. You should read this thread in it's entirely, many examples have been posted.

"In 2014, Kamala Khan made history in the comics by being the first Muslim Marvel character to headline her own title. The comic book by G. Willow Wilson focused on the Muslim American diaspora as the Muslim teenager went on her superhero adventures within the larger Marvel universe."

Not just that but she is Pakistani-Muslim, targeting two groups that have been discriminated. One in the UK and another one in the US because of what happened in 9-11. Disney just let it escalate as it always does.

Then you have the voice actress comments:

"Seeing a superhero story about a group as notable as the Avengers through someone like Kamala is incredibly important, says Saad. Too often, people of color are relegated to background roles in superhero narratives where they can run the risk of being portrayed with negative stereotypes. And that can be harmful to the emotional and mental development for kids of color and how they perceive themselves."

I didn't realize she had some history already. I thought she was created very recently. And that's a good point. Muslims haven't (until her creation) had any representation. Whether I like her as a hero or not it's still great to see diversity and inclusion. I can at least agree with that.

Yeah, I mean it is action game beat them up with lootboxes type of game, but they said everything will be free except for cosmetics MT. For now war zones can get very repetitive, but I don't know I had fun with it. I also enjoy the division 2 and it got way better now. Yes it's possible that people also dislike live service games, but at least this one can be played offline as well.

[gryphonv]

Honestly I think the original plan was Spiderman to reunite the Avengers. Lets be honest it makes more sense, and is a better seller.

But things happened and money changed hands so that spiderman became a sony exclusive.

I think Kamala Khan is a risky main character to go with, not because of what she represents, but because she is relatively unknown.

Even if you look at most of the promotional images and artwork for the game. When Kamala is in a group, she is usually in the backround or covered by others. They got her added as an after thought, not the main character the story makes her be.

I personally don't care she is in it either way, but it really is a questionable decision when there are much more prominant Marvel Characters they could of used.

[ChrisFromNY]

LOL, having read this entire thread. A L O T of comic book "fans" really seem to have lost their way and forgot what super heroes are really about and who they are for.

[»' Just GirlPower | Nana♥]

1: Ppl crying about Kamala Khan
2: ppl crying about the heroes faces isn't based on the actors from the movies
3: ppl crying about Spiderman isn't in the PC version,
4: Loyal DC fans always comes here and hates on everything related to Marvel
5: it's 2020 ppl are just crybabies in general
6: Ohh yeah gamers just love to hate on everything

Can't wait to play the game tho!

[SneakyErvin]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από alex33x:

Kamala Khan, was created from the very beginning to be a token character. She was created, because the creator said Muslims had no representation.

That isnt true either. Kamala Khan was created as a way to express the creator's own upbringing in america as a pakistani american teen. Which kinda kills the idea that she would be a token character aswell.

If an outsider would have created her to fill some gap, then yeah it would be a token character, but that isnt the case since she is inspired by the actual life experiences of the creator. The real life experiences have been replaced or translated partially into comic book ones.

If you wanna look at actual token heroes just check the New New Warriors. All a bunch of cliche crap to cater to a bunch of different groups of people, all created by an outsider with no real insight or attachment to the things he creates with those heroes.

edit: And I'm saying this as someone who doesnt like Kamala Khan very much. I'm simply being honest about the situation surrounding her.