Shootouts

[TheAlmightyLord]

I haven't played this game in a while, can you kill people now? Like real shootouts because when I used my gun 1 time it said "police brutality"

[Emanouche]

No, not yet.

[MyNameBoogie]

no

[Shocks]

and this is supposed to be realistic

[Nightmare799]

Pfft, shootouts are part and parcel of policing large cities.

[Detroit]

any update on when they plan to release shootouts? I think it should be something that is added in ASAP. Having the chance for a call with let say "a person with a gun" and then they try to shoot at you or something. Or maybe even have things where there is a chance when you pull someone over they shoot at you. Just those two small things added to calls would be great.

[Spark Sunbright]

Note that even in large American cities, statistical surveys show that only 30% of police officers have ever fired their weapon in the line of duty, meaning that the remaining 70% of them have NEVER ONCE fired their guns in their entire careers (up to the time of the survey, of course). So while it is true that a significant minority of cops do see shootouts at least once during their decades-long careers, that shouldn't imply that shootouts are not even remotely common in American cities. They're not. Their exceptional rarity is precisely what makes shootouts so newsworthy when they happen, which in turn tricks people into thinking that they are commonplace.

All that said, I personally do hope the devs eventually get around to adding situations where discharging guns is warranted, or at least acceptable. But I wouldn't call it a priority, and if and when they do add shootouts, I really hope they don't become a daily thing.

[Finn]

Originally posted by Spark Sunbright:

Note that even in large American cities, statistical surveys show that only 30% of police officers have ever fired their weapon in the line of duty, meaning that the remaining 70% of them have NEVER ONCE fired their guns in their entire careers (up to the time of the survey, of course). So while it is true that a significant minority of cops do see shootouts at least once during their decades-long careers, that shouldn't imply that shootouts are not even remotely common in American cities. They're not. Their exceptional rarity is precisely what makes shootouts so newsworthy when they happen, which in turn tricks people into thinking that they are commonplace.

All that said, I personally do hope the devs eventually get around to adding situations where discharging guns is warranted, or at least acceptable. But I wouldn't call it a priority, and if and when they do add shootouts, I really hope they don't become a daily thing.

True but even so As a police sim the occasional shootout is necessary lol

[Vietnam-Vet | Glory To The Lion!]

The annoying thing about not being able to discharge your actual firearm at all at the moment is that you can easily encounter more fleeing suspects during a shift that refuse to comply when you aim at them, than there are shots available in your stun gun. The only way to replenish that ammo is from the trunk of your cruiser, but by the time you do that the person will have gotten away, and that's not to mention you're double-screwed if you're on a foot patrol with no cruiser to replenish from.

Which brings to this example of my own: This entire time i've stuck to only using my stun gun on non-complying fleeing suspects but the one time I happened to encounter one and had no ammo left, I was forced to switch to my firearm. They still didn't stop when I aimed that at them several times, so I attempted to shoot them in the leg, with the obvious intent to incapacitate rather than kill them. I still got fired. I was trying to work within the confines of the game mechanics but even that's not enough... so what does the game expect us to do, just let them get away? Doesn't seem very realistic to me.

So yeah, in this scenario, with no stun gun ammo left, and the suspect continuing to flee even when you then aim your actual firearm at them- we should at the very least be able to either fire a warning shot in the air (with isn't really realistic either is it? idk, but if they don't want us to properly shoot at suspects for fleeing then that should be the final resort to make them comply in all situations), or we should be allowed to shoot them in the leg like I tried to do, so we are able to force them into stopping without, you know, shooting to kill? I think I'm just venting now lol but those are the only two options I see available, unless we do eventually get the ability to 'tackle' them to the ground instead, which I think I saw on the roadmap somewhere. As it is, we're way too limited right now.

[Slayer]

I don't think shooting a fleeing suspect in the leg with a firearm is in any way an acceptable use of force.
1. They were running away.
2. They were unarmed.
3. No one was in any imminent danger.

Add on to that, the high risk of collateral damage of a cop needlessly firing live rounds at a fleeing suspect and hitting some poor citizen in the process.

I do think a tackle option should be incorporated though, especially if you are able to catch up to a suspect.
Realistically you would attempt to take them down by physical means, as opposed to always using a stun gun.

[Quilnux]

My step brother is a cop and the only time he can even pull his firearm out of his holster is if his life, or the life of his partner is in immediate threat of death due to the suspect pointing a gun at them. He can't even remove his firearm from the holster if the suspect has a knife. If he does, he will automatically get 10-20 years in state prison. The fact that this game even lets you remove your sidearm from your holster (let alone point it at an unarmed suspect) without getting fired is completely unrealistic.

[Emanouche]

Originally posted by Quilnux:

My step brother is a cop and the only time he can even pull his firearm out of his holster is if his life, or the life of his partner is in immediate threat of death due to the suspect pointing a gun at them. He can't even remove his firearm from the holster if the suspect has a knife. If he does, he will automatically get 10-20 years in state prison. The fact that this game even lets you remove your sidearm from your holster (let alone point it at an unarmed suspect) without getting fired is completely unrealistic.

Oh really? Where is he a cop at? I most definitely guarantee if you pull a knife on an officer he/she is pulling a gun, and rightly so.

[DogAgent]

Originally posted by Quilnux:

My step brother is a cop and the only time he can even pull his firearm out of his holster is if his life, or the life of his partner is in immediate threat of death due to the suspect pointing a gun at them. He can't even remove his firearm from the holster if the suspect has a knife. If he does, he will automatically get 10-20 years in state prison. The fact that this game even lets you remove your sidearm from your holster (let alone point it at an unarmed suspect) without getting fired is completely unrealistic.

You can be in equal danger by a knife, does not have to be a gun from a criminal.
If it truly is true that he can't pull and point his gun at someone who comes at him with a knife, I feel sorry fir him.

If true then it is a sick lame law.
Somebody comes to kill you, you defend your self.

And 10-20 years in state prison for defending your life?
What state is that in?

If you tell us, it would make it much easier to verify it.
Even if true, it is still a law that would be better of done with.

[Quilnux]

Originally posted by ONSEmanouche:

Originally posted by Quilnux:

My step brother is a cop and the only time he can even pull his firearm out of his holster is if his life, or the life of his partner is in immediate threat of death due to the suspect pointing a gun at them. He can't even remove his firearm from the holster if the suspect has a knife. If he does, he will automatically get 10-20 years in state prison. The fact that this game even lets you remove your sidearm from your holster (let alone point it at an unarmed suspect) without getting fired is completely unrealistic.

Oh really? Where is he a cop at? I most definitely guarantee if you pull a knife on an officer he/she is pulling a gun, and rightly so.

Not in this state you can't.

[Quilnux]

Originally posted by Dog Agent:

Originally posted by Quilnux:

My step brother is a cop and the only time he can even pull his firearm out of his holster is if his life, or the life of his partner is in immediate threat of death due to the suspect pointing a gun at them. He can't even remove his firearm from the holster if the suspect has a knife. If he does, he will automatically get 10-20 years in state prison. The fact that this game even lets you remove your sidearm from your holster (let alone point it at an unarmed suspect) without getting fired is completely unrealistic.

You can be in equal danger by a knife, does not have to be a gun from a criminal.
If it truly is true that he can't pull and point his gun at someone who comes at him with a knife, I feel sorry fir him.

If true then it is a sick lame law.
Somebody comes to kill you, you defend your self.

And 10-20 years in state prison for defending your life?
What state is that in?

If you tell us, it would make it much easier to verify it.
Even if true, it is still a law that would be better of done with.

The problem tends to be that guns have a limited range of efficacy. A gun cannot be used in close range. The law states that a police officer is not permitted to pull his gun and/or fire his gun unless he or other persons are in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm. At range, a knife is inert. It has no efficacy. Only in physical proximity can a knife because effective and produce "serious bodily harm" or "imminent danger of death". By this point the officers gun because ineffective as it is an at range weapon. Therefore the police officer is required by law to instead engage the suspect either with a police-grade taser or a baton. This is why a gun cannot be used in a knife-only situation, according to the law. Keep in mind this is not specific to my state either. There are several states that have this law, in addition to the federal government. It's easy to look up with a simple google search.

[Emanouche]

Originally posted by Quilnux:

Originally posted by Dog Agent:

You can be in equal danger by a knife, does not have to be a gun from a criminal.
If it truly is true that he can't pull and point his gun at someone who comes at him with a knife, I feel sorry fir him.

If true then it is a sick lame law.
Somebody comes to kill you, you defend your self.

And 10-20 years in state prison for defending your life?
What state is that in?

If you tell us, it would make it much easier to verify it.
Even if true, it is still a law that would be better of done with.

The problem tends to be that guns have a limited range of efficacy. A gun cannot be used in close range. The law states that a police officer is not permitted to pull his gun and/or fire his gun unless he or other persons are in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm. At range, a knife is inert. It has no efficacy. Only in physical proximity can a knife because effective and produce "serious bodily harm" or "imminent danger of death". By this point the officers gun because ineffective as it is an at range weapon. Therefore the police officer is required by law to instead engage the suspect either with a police-grade taser or a baton. This is why a gun cannot be used in a knife-only situation, according to the law. Keep in mind this is not specific to my state either. There are several states that have this law, in addition to the federal government. It's easy to look up with a simple google search.

Dude, just stop making up stuff as you go, do yourself a favor, I won't be as nice in my next message. Signed a Forensic Technician.