Frustrating

[smudge_gezer]

This game is the most frustrating pes i have played.
-- I have not played online as of yet but this is my Master league.
-- Pace has gone and catch is extremely strong in this years game
-- the bounce of the ball always seems to land for the AI nicely while my teams first touch also seems to benefit the AI
-- AI interceptions are far to frequent while my team seems to let balls roll on past them
-- My player will slow down while running at the ball and once possession is lost will seem to gather his pace
-- i never seem to get much room or space but my midfield and defence always seem to leave loads of space for others to play even with tightness at its lowest setting
-- what do you have to do to win a free kick?
-- one penalty in a whole season
-- simple passes straying or my team just letting it role past them

i do appreciate what Konami are doing with the game and at times i do enjoy the experience. but when the opposition score a goal i dont think nice play, i just think it is scripted rubbish. When you are not ment to win, this game ensure you do not win no matter what tactics you try. AI will have one shot on target and one goal while you have 10 15 on target and there keeper pulls of worldies time and time again.

Tone it down a touch please, needed to vent this out to feel better.
That is all!

[Cool Adam]

Scripting is insane in this game. I've gotten to mid-season in ML and just stopped playing - ♥♥♥♥ blowing 3-0, 4-0 leads to AI that gets superpowers when it wants you to lose. What is the point in this? You can almost always tell when this bs happens too. Like you said, your own players start doing some funky ♥♥♥♥, while AI is just perfect at everything.

15 minute game, 3 goals conceded while the other team has exactly 3 shots and all 3 on target - just lol.

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by ωιику fα¢є:

Scripting is insane in this game. I've gotten to mid-season in ML and just stopped playing - ♥♥♥♥ blowing 3-0, 4-0 leads to AI that gets superpowers when it wants you to lose. What is the point in this? You can almost always tell when this bs happens too. Like you said, your own players start doing some funky ♥♥♥♥, while AI is just perfect at everything.

15 minute game, 3 goals conceded while the other team has exactly 3 shots and all 3 on target - just lol.

Agreed. I just played a match where I was winning 1-0 in the final minute and the AI had a free kick from 40 yards where it was able to pass the ball into the box along the ground and their striker slammed it in unchallenged yet I could not select one player to control from the moment the ball was kicked to the minute it was collected by the attacker despite going past most of my team who were standing still. This is just one of many instances which piss me off. PES 2020 is the most clunky, unresponsive, scripted and infuriating game I have played in the series yet the demo was perfect.

I even made a guide about this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ yesterday
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1864353869

[smudge_gezer]

nice article, good to know i am not the only person frustrated. this is like going to an AA meeting

[Part-Time Jesus]

Go download PES 6 and get the current roster mod

Way better footie game than this sad garbage.

[Part-Time Jesus]

2020 is a completely unresponsive crap show, you guys.

Go YouTube PES 6 FIREBIRD PATCH = go back to a WAY better, responsive footie game.

[Jackson]

Add insanely stupid "quick free kicks, from 20 yards passing it to the aether....or the non existant sliding tackes. My team members never! i repeat never did slide tackles in 2 entire seasons! what the ♥♥♥♥ is this garbage.

[TripleJay]

If the opponent can't beat you, then the script will for sure. Don't mess with the script, if the script says you should loose the game, accept your destiny which is choosen for you from Konami.

Oh Man, these kids today, think they can win whenever they want just with SKILL. How foolish. You really thought you pay 40-60 € and YOU decide if you win a game? Kids, grow up!!

(Attention, there could be some irony ;)

[XS7UX]

I am getting more free kicks this year than ive gotten in the last 4 PES games. I even had a red card & a penalty tonight, which has never happened for me with the AI in 4 years of PES games. I scored 2 direct FK's too. Use skill especially on edge of box, right stick, get lots of FK's..

[Part-Time Jesus]

Originally posted by TripleJay:

If the opponent can't beat you, then the script will for sure. Don't mess with the script, if the script says you should loose the game, accept your destiny which is choosen for you from Konami.

Oh Man, these kids today, think they can win whenever they want just with SKILL. How foolish. You really thought you pay 40-60 € and YOU decide if you win a game? Kids, grow up!!

(Attention, there could be some irony ;)

Ive been playing PES-engine games aince 1997. Holy crap, 22 years!

Us long time PES players know the scripting has only gotten worse = there was indeed a Golden Era for the engine when things like, slide tackles, FK accuracy, the ref's calls were in a very-near perfect balance.

It's only got worse over the years. The best PES games were years ago.

[Frokka]

Does the script always help your opponents?
Has the script ever helped YOU win a match, or is that only your skill? ;-)

[smudge_gezer]

i understand there has to be some sort of script for players to make mistakes, but when no matter what you try to achieve possession the ball keeps bouncing back to the opposition it makes the game not fun to play. Players stats should count for something and they just dont especially sprint speed. I love pes and much prefer it to fifa, the demo was amazing but now i just find myself getting annoyed even when i win.

do not think i have scored a goal were i stand up and think i worked it well, they all seem scrappy affairs that the game has gifted me. But i will not be playing Fifa so i guess i need to save money up for a few controllers.

[TripleJay]

Originally posted by Ras:

Originally posted by TripleJay:

If the opponent can't beat you, then the script will for sure. Don't mess with the script, if the script says you should loose the game, accept your destiny which is choosen for you from Konami.

Oh Man, these kids today, think they can win whenever they want just with SKILL. How foolish. You really thought you pay 40-60 € and YOU decide if you win a game? Kids, grow up!!

(Attention, there could be some irony ;)

Ive been playing PES-engine games aince 1997. Holy crap, 22 years!

Us long time PES players know the scripting has only gotten worse = there was indeed a Golden Era for the engine when things like, slide tackles, FK accuracy, the ref's calls were in a very-near perfect balance.

It's only got worse over the years. The best PES games were years ago.

Meanwhile there is stuff like team spirit, traits. They surely need to have an effect on the gameplay, even for the ai, otherwise it would be useless features. Buffs for hometeam, nerf for away team f.e.

There needs to be some pre-match analyze from your co-coach, telling you how your opponent is performing ....like, they have a run atm, a specific player is very good atm, they have high team spirit atm or their counter strategy is great, play with a deeper defense line.... these kind of stuff, where buffs for the cpu indeed makes sense and is reproducable in some way

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by TripleJay:

Originally posted by Ras:

Ive been playing PES-engine games aince 1997. Holy crap, 22 years!

Us long time PES players know the scripting has only gotten worse = there was indeed a Golden Era for the engine when things like, slide tackles, FK accuracy, the ref's calls were in a very-near perfect balance.

It's only got worse over the years. The best PES games were years ago.

Meanwhile there is stuff like team spirit, traits. They surely need to have an effect on the gameplay, even for the ai, otherwise it would be useless features. Buffs for hometeam, nerf for away team

Not to the extent where playing as Barcelona against Luton Town on the hardest difficulty setting, Lionel Messi can be outran by a 37 year old defender.

The problem with PES is there are too many algorithmic factors in play as well as the artificial difficulty that make it frustrating. I think the condition aspect is making things worse and is too aggressive in its current state. Playing on Superstar or Legendary is tough enough but low morale just acts as a further kick in the teeth. It needs toning down especially with the scripting and AI stats being scaled up.

In historic PES games before scripting was a thing in the series, the quality of the AI determined the difficulty whereas in PES 2020, the AI just cheeses everything and it seems unnatural and looks ridiculous.

[TripleJay]

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by TripleJay:

Meanwhile there is stuff like team spirit, traits. They surely need to have an effect on the gameplay, even for the ai, otherwise it would be useless features. Buffs for hometeam, nerf for away team

Not to the extent where playing as Barcelona against Luton Town on the hardest difficulty setting, Lionel Messi can be outran by a 37 year old defender.

The problem with PES is there are too many algorithmic factors in play as well as the artificial difficulty that make it frustrating. I think the condition aspect is making things worse and is too aggressive in its current state. Playing on Superstar or Legendary is tough enough but low morale just acts as a further kick in the teeth. It needs toning down especially with the scripting and AI stats being scaled up.

In historic PES games before scripting was a thing in the series, the quality of the AI determined the difficulty whereas in PES 2020, the AI just cheeses everything and it seems unnatural and looks ridiculous.

....cheated AI or Scripting in this extent (messi being outrun by slower player) is pure and simple lazyness in Coding. Difficulty is based on how good a defense is...in RL. They close gaps, they win the tackles, the goalie is gorgeuos....their offense is gorgeuos. Small teams usually play hard defense and counter.

So, actually there are only really 2 difficulties to play, Arcade or Simulation. 5-6 diffculties is a thing from the past...almost ancient-past ^^ People have superstar-teams and then complain they win everything and want higher and higher diffculties...aehm, what do they expect? you have the best team until best players retire or get injured...or not?!

[smudge_gezer]

the fact is that after all the hours i have pumped in this new game, it is not a fun experience i am shouting at my monitor. difficulty should be winning with a 1 star team against a 5 star team. they have just made your team inconsistent for the sake of it and called it good AI. PES 19 had poor ai and scripting but i had fun, this is a whole different level.