Using Frame generation with a 60Hz monitor

[Hume]

Hi all, I just want to make absolutely sure there is no way to use Frame Generation on a 60Hz monitor. User Gizzmoe was extremely helpful yesterday with this and I'm not really doubting his knowledge, it just feels like such a shame to me that it's useless to use on a 60Hz display.

So Gizzmoe helped me in how to use it, it definitely works, setting a game to 30fps then setting Frame Generation to LSFG 2.3 with mode X2 and resolution scale to 50. The results are so extremely amazing thus I make this post, just to see if anybody else with a 60hz monitor has been able to use it successfully?

What I mean it working amazing is suddenly everything is extremely smooth in all the game I tried it in. Only problem is I'm experiencing what I can describe as flickering models or textures when moving around, I believe the correct term is ghosting? Like a third person game my characters head would flicker, strangely not the body. Other games produce difference results of same kind of behaviours..

So I just ask if anybody with a 60hz monitor has been able to successfully use this feature? Buying a 120hz monitor would almost cost me the same as a major GPU upgrade (to me personally). And Gizzmoe, if you're reading this, thanks again for your help, your advice was sound, I'm just kind of shooting in the dark here a little as a last resort.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

it just feels like such a shame to me that it's useless to use on a 60Hz display.

What I mean it working amazing is suddenly everything is extremely smooth in all the game I tried it in.

"Useless" even though it's "working amazing" and "everything is extremely smooth"??? Please explain :) If it's just about the artifacts, it's best to get used to it and to ignore them ;) If you can't get used to it, then wait until you have a 120hz monitor, then you could do a 40fps x3 framegen, which also has those artifacts and ghosting, but you probably wouldn't care because everything looks smooth af.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

Buying a 120hz monitor would almost cost me the same as a major GPU upgrade (to me personally).

I don't know the prices in your country, but a 120+hz 1440p Freesync monitor are usually pretty cheap, they cost less than half the price of a decent GPU. I personally would keep the 1080ti and invest into more hz instead if I can't afford or don't want to upgrade both.

[Hume]

What I mean by useless is that it sadly is in my case, no way to play a game with such bizarre glitches happening, then it's best to rather take more performance hit and using upscalling. So I didn't mean it's a useless function, it's just not a feasible feature in my case. And about the monitor prices, i checked for a 2k monitor months ago, exactly to save money, and it came around the same price as a Radeon 16GB card which according to benchmarks online shows it to be about twice as good as my current card, so I thought it might be better to rather just buy a GPU then if I'm going to do that.

But I was not aware of this Hz solution either, so that might change my mind back to rather going for a monitor then. Again, sorry, i did not mean it to be useless it just sadly is in my case. Thanks again for replying! Did not mean to undermine your previous advice, as I said originally, just thought maybe there are people with 60hz finding some kind of success somehow.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

just thought maybe there are people with 60hz finding some kind of success somehow.

There are many, but not everybody is happy with it of course, it's all highly subjective. The advantages need to be higher than the disadvantages. If I had 60hz monitor I would rarely use LS framegen (only in CPU-limited games like CP2077), I would try everything to get it to or close to 60fps without it, a 30x2 framegen simply isn't good enough for me. A 30x4 framegen is fine for me though, the smoothness counters the disadvantages.

[Wolfsblut]

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no problem for me. its a SoC btw. i just posted this because people wont know what your rig is aside you (or maybe not even you) depending on. the scaling is fine for LS 2.1 for me with all tested on x2-x4 just artifacts coming from higher then x2 which is normal as 1 frame rendered calculates 3 virtual once. programm does what it should whenever i used it 2024 or 2022/2023 around..

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Wolfsblut:

Display: IPS, FHD 1080p by unkown 144 FPS

He wanted to get feedback from other 60hz or 30fps x2 users, do you even play at 30x2? ;)

[Hume]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Originally posted by Hume:

just thought maybe there are people with 60hz finding some kind of success somehow.

There are many, but not everybody is happy with it of course, it's all highly subjective. The advantages need to be higher than the disadvantages. If I had 60hz monitor I would rarely use LS framegen (only in CPU-limited games like CP2077), I would try everything to get it to or close to 60fps without it, a 30x2 framegen simply isn't good enough for me. A 30x4 framegen is fine for me though, the smoothness counters the disadvantages.

Well I must say me being use to 60fps all my life it works ok for me, it's like going from HD to 4k, I don't feel like I could go back to HD, specially with the type of work I do on the same monitor, so I guess same would apply if I ever get use to 120Hz or up then I suppose I'd not be able to go back to 60Hz again.

Flickering, or ghosting, characters is not playable to me unfortunately even though the performance looks amazing. So obviously the program, or function, works, just not for me. So I suppose higher Hz monitor is the way to go to have it work perfectly.

I'll try CP2077 just to see how it plays there but all other games I've tested didn' give me satisfactory results (visually, of coarse), but who knows, maybe CP77 is the game it might just be acceptable. (Although I'm able to run it on high with FSR just fine, was just looking for ways to not have to upscale and I'm very intrigued by Frame gen now).

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

so I guess same would apply if I ever get use to 120Hz or up then I suppose I'd not be able to go back to 60Hz again.

Yes, you wouldn't be able to stand 60fps after experiencing that :) Even a jump to 85-90fps is an incredible improvement.

So I suppose higher Hz monitor is the way to go to have it work perfectly

Well, not "perfectly", but at least more than good enough so you probably won't care if there are artifacts :) I mean, I was able to play Cyberpunk at 120fps (40fps x3) with my 1080ti and sh1tty 7700k even with "high crowd" setting, I couldn't care less about those artifacts, it was a very nice gaming experience.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

maybe CP77 is the game it might just be acceptable. (Although I'm able to run it on high with FSR just fine, was just looking for ways to not have to upscale and I'm very intrigued by Frame gen now).

When it runs just fine without LS you most likely won't like the result that you get with LS.

[Hume]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Originally posted by Hume:

maybe CP77 is the game it might just be acceptable. (Although I'm able to run it on high with FSR just fine, was just looking for ways to not have to upscale and I'm very intrigued by Frame gen now).

When it runs just fine without LS you most likely won't like the result that you get with LS.

True, that's what I'm already thinking is that would be the case for me. I simply uninstalled it some months ago as I was on the verge of buying a new GPU so I thought let me hold off on it till then, or so I thought, life has a way of suddenly demanding money now when you're just about to being able to buy something nice you want instead of something you need, like a car problem etc.

If there some artefacts and not like entire moving stuff ghosting around then that might be acceptable to me, wish I know what the result would be before investing in a higher hz monitor instead of going for a GPU. But I must say the 1080ti does extremely well still after all these years, even under the pressure of 4k, poor card. I reckon, well, I kind of have no doubt that it can perform still extremely well with 1080 HD resolution, since it handles games well under 2K resolution which I'm using for upscalling. HD upscalling is just too much of a jump on a 4K monitor though.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

wish I know what the result would be before investing in a higher hz monitor instead of going for a GPU.

Framerate-wise the results will be great, but there will still be some ghosting and flickering heads in third-person games.

[Hume]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Originally posted by Hume:

wish I know what the result would be before investing in a higher hz monitor instead of going for a GPU.

Framerate-wise the results will be great, but there will still be some ghosting and flickering heads in third-person games.

I have one more question that I suddenly just thought about, if getting a 120hz monitor and then setting games to 60fps instead of 30 won't that kind of defeat the purpose for me also? As I'm currently playing games at 60fps anyway and seeking more performance so won't that then just result in the same experience I'm currently having or am I getting it wrong now?

[Space Detective]

Originally posted by Hume:

I have one more question that I suddenly just thought about, if getting a 120hz monitor and then setting games to 60fps instead of 30 won't that kind of defeat the purpose for me also? As I'm currently playing games at 60fps anyway and seeking more performance so won't that then just result in the same experience I'm currently having or am I getting it wrong now?

Assuming I'm reading you right:

If you can't do native 120 FPS but do have enough headroom at 60 FPS to do framegen, LS would at least get you some additional fluidity.

If your GPU lacks the headroom for framegen at 60 FPS however, then ehhh yeah kinda as far as I know. I will say though from personal experience that the benefit of a high refresh rate is very much apparent even just using your operating system; it just feels better.
There's definitely an improvement to using a 120 hz display even if you can't do 120 FPS gaming, if you spend any real non-gaming time on your PC.

Don't take me for an expert by any means though, do not base your purchasing decisions purely on me.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Hume:

I have one more question that I suddenly just thought about, if getting a 120hz monitor and then setting games to 60fps instead of 30 won't that kind of defeat the purpose for me also?

What purpose? If you are happy with 60fps and don't wanna use LS then upgrade your GPU, if you wanna play at 100+fps with LS and the artifacts don't bother you then upgrade the monitor instead.

[Hume]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Originally posted by Hume:

I have one more question that I suddenly just thought about, if getting a 120hz monitor and then setting games to 60fps instead of 30 won't that kind of defeat the purpose for me also?

What purpose? If you are happy with 60fps and don't wanna use LS then upgrade your GPU, if you wanna play at 100+fps with LS and the artifacts don't bother you then upgrade the monitor instead.

I mean I'd be running games at 60fps instead of 30fps, winch is exactly what I'm doing currently anyway. In other words let's saying I'm currently having performance issues at 60fps and obviously now not using Frame gen, but then get a higher hz monitor and setting the games to run at 60fps anyway but then with Frame gen up to 120fps won't that kind of defeat the purpose as in my GPU already struggle keeping 60 now anyway? I don't know if I'm making sense. Maybe I'm just understanding it wrong.

So will using Frame gen to go up to 120 improve performance anyway? I think I might just be thinking the wrong way about this and it will improve performance anyway.