World Of Warcraft

[Elador]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BALLS.

Finally, valdrakken runs at 120fps on a 4090!

Jokes aside, just started testing this, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, i kid you not - this is what i've been waiting for, was worried about loads of flickering on the ui but not getting it, so far its absolutely a 100% game changer.

I would seriously consider trying this out on any slower, cpu heavy game,.

[Gregard]

The question is: Could blizzard ban players for using this or not

[Gizzmoe]

Not. LS doesn't manipulate game data, it doesn't inject anything, it only generates frames.

[Gregard]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Not. LS doesn't manipulate game data, it doesn't inject anything, it only generates frames.

I know but the TOS are so vague, we are probably in their mercy:

"any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that can be used in connection with the Platform and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other functionality;"

[Gregard]

well just FYI, i opened a ticked and asked, and they recommend not to use it on their platform in order to be on the safe side. A bummer for sure, but I can't risk 20 years of progression :P

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Gregard:

well just FYI, i opened a ticked and asked, and they recommend not to use it on their platform in order to be on the safe side. A bummer for sure, but I can't risk 20 years of progression :P

That's just a standard answer from some customer support drone. LS exists for many years, and there is no known case where using it lead to a ban.

[Gregard]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Originally posted by Gregard:

well just FYI, i opened a ticked and asked, and they recommend not to use it on their platform in order to be on the safe side. A bummer for sure, but I can't risk 20 years of progression :P

That's just a standard answer from some customer support drone. LS exists for many years, and there is no known case where using it lead to a ban.

first reply was kinda drone-y, but i pressed more and i got a normal human answer. Bottom line is there is still risk

[ogioto]

Originally posted by Gregard:

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

That's just a standard answer from some customer support drone. LS exists for many years, and there is no known case where using it lead to a ban.

first reply was kinda drone-y, but i pressed more and i got a normal human answer. Bottom line is there is still risk

There is no risk because the game sees it as capturing app (OBS for example). The app captures the game data and then it works on the captured data and displays it to you. I have used the app on Diablo IV and CoD with Ricochet, as well as other anti-cheat heavy games and it it hasn't been an issue with Activision Blizzard products.

[Gregard]

Originally posted by ogioto:

Originally posted by Gregard:

first reply was kinda drone-y, but i pressed more and i got a normal human answer. Bottom line is there is still risk

There is no risk because the game sees it as capturing app (OBS for example). The app captures the game data and then it works on the captured data and displays it to you. I have used the app on Diablo IV and CoD with Ricochet, as well as other anti-cheat heavy games and it it hasn't been an issue with Activision Blizzard products.

My dudes! I get it. You used it and haven't had issues yet. For tech savvy people it makes sense that this is not at all messing with the game's files. I get it!

But when the response from the official technical support says there is a risk because the license agreement clause is vague enough then there is still risk. It doesn't matter if WE think it's clear or not. They have the power and the last say in the matter. If you do get banned, then its your word against theirs, and if you search responses people get when appealing, you don't even get a second glance sometimes. They just get a vague response that you broke a clause and that's it. You can't do anything else.

So, is the risk worth it for you? If yes, more power to you! Go for it. For me it's not. Losing 20 years of progress is just not worth it. Might as well buy a new gfx card :P

We just need to be straight with people that this is NOT guaranteed safe from bans in Blizzard's games. Use at your own risk.

[angelsenvy228]

Originally posted by Gregard:

Originally posted by ogioto:

There is no risk because the game sees it as capturing app (OBS for example). The app captures the game data and then it works on the captured data and displays it to you. I have used the app on Diablo IV and CoD with Ricochet, as well as other anti-cheat heavy games and it it hasn't been an issue with Activision Blizzard products.

My dudes! I get it. You used it and haven't had issues yet. For tech savvy people it makes sense that this is not at all messing with the game's files. I get it!

But when the response from the official technical support says there is a risk because the license agreement clause is vague enough then there is still risk. It doesn't matter if WE think it's clear or not. They have the power and the last say in the matter. If you do get banned, then its your word against theirs, and if you search responses people get when appealing, you don't even get a second glance sometimes. They just get a vague response that you broke a clause and that's it. You can't do anything else.

So, is the risk worth it for you? If yes, more power to you! Go for it. For me it's not. Losing 20 years of progress is just not worth it. Might as well buy a new gfx card :P

We just need to be straight with people that this is NOT guaranteed safe from bans in Blizzard's games. Use at your own risk.

Apparently you never played wow because there are addons all over the place that basically play the game for you. and you think completely externally modded framegen that THEY CANT EVEN DETECT is going to get you banned because some nobody making minimum wage at blizzard told you so? Stop fearmongering dude

[Gizzmoe]

^^^ This.

[Rivaldman]

to be fair, to get banned because of LS is slimmer than that because of RTSS.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Rivaldman:

to be fair, to get banned because of LS is slimmer than that because of RTSS.

Yes, it's slimmer. LS had zero bans so far, RTSS a bit more than that.

[Gregard]

Originally posted by angelsenvy228:

Originally posted by Gregard:

My dudes! I get it. You used it and haven't had issues yet. For tech savvy people it makes sense that this is not at all messing with the game's files. I get it!

But when the response from the official technical support says there is a risk because the license agreement clause is vague enough then there is still risk. It doesn't matter if WE think it's clear or not. They have the power and the last say in the matter. If you do get banned, then its your word against theirs, and if you search responses people get when appealing, you don't even get a second glance sometimes. They just get a vague response that you broke a clause and that's it. You can't do anything else.

So, is the risk worth it for you? If yes, more power to you! Go for it. For me it's not. Losing 20 years of progress is just not worth it. Might as well buy a new gfx card :P

We just need to be straight with people that this is NOT guaranteed safe from bans in Blizzard's games. Use at your own risk.

Apparently you never played wow because there are addons all over the place that basically play the game for you. and you think completely externally modded framegen that THEY CANT EVEN DETECT is going to get you banned because some nobody making minimum wage at blizzard told you so? Stop fearmongering dude

Apparently I never played wow. Ok my dude, if you are gonna reply this way I'm not going to entertain you. I've been playing since wow beta, and I got nothing to prove to you. I went to the trouble to ask tech support, twice. And I'm posting here for visibility. This is the official response ok? You can paint it however you like, low wage support people, etc.

(License limitations) II.4: "any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that can be used in connection with the Platform" could be considered as license violation.

This was quoted to me twice. It's vague enough that they can do whatever they want. Since you are so sure 1000%, then do it. I'm not stopping you. Or fearmongering. It's the damn official statement. You take responsibility for other people if one day this gets detected and they get banned? No, you don't. So let people make their own damn decision. I am just stating the facts. And the facts are that in the eyes of Blizzard there is a risk. The end. There is no debate here.

[Gizzmoe]

Wow, you have managed to somehow completely miss the point of angelsanvy228's post.
I quote the important part again: "there are addons all over the place that basically play the game for you. and you think completely externally modded framegen that THEY CANT EVEN DETECT is going to get you banned"

[Gregard]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Wow, you have managed to somehow completely miss the point of angelsanvy228's post.
I quote the important part again: "there are addons all over the place that basically play the game for you. and you think completely externally modded framegen that THEY CANT EVEN DETECT is going to get you banned"

Really guys? Addons are officially supported by the game and the platform. Some would be considered authorized. Some obscure addons can be too much and I know cases that people got in trouble. But the big famous addons such as dbm, bigwigs, etc are fine and even talked about by blizz themselves. Anyway this is not a conversation for addons.

But what are you trying to do here guys? You pretend to completely understand how LS works and you are 100% sure it's undetectable. You don't! You are assuming! Maybe it's an educated guess sure, but can you be sure someone will NEVER be detected and get into trouble? I'm just posting the official statement and you guys are debating me over this? Why? If you want to label the people who work at blizz as low wage incapable people, that is your opinion. But at the end of the day, they will be the ones to decide on a ban and this is their official statement. Do you take responsibility if this gets detected and people get banned? Do you? No you don't!

So what's the problem with the official statement having visibility? Why are we arguing about this. You think I don't want to use this program in wow if it will boost my FPS? I do! But if there is even a tiny risk, I'm not doing it. Maybe you don't care. That's fine! Do it! There are people out there over invested in this game as part of their lives. Just let it be known that it's not 100% risk free to use this. Use at your own risk, that's all I'm saying here.