Any 4090 users out there?

[Ceceli Δ]

I'm gonna buy a 360hz monitor next week and it got me wondering. Has anyone tried games like RDR2 to see how the Lossless Scalling FG 2x or 3x work on a high refresh rate monitor? Is it smooth af? Is input lag bad?

[Gizzmoe]

LS is going to work fine as long as your 4090 has enough spare power to handle the frame generation. Don't aim for 360fps though, go for 240fps max, more than that is a total waste, 80fps -> 240fps with x3 framegen will be extremely smooth af already.

[M]

perception depends on the individual.

[Xavvy]

I have a 480hz 24inch competitive monitor that can overclock safely to 500hz and yes I have a 40900. so I've tried to push frames to all kinds of levels.. this app isn't worth it imo past 240hz(240fps). In my opinion it starts to behave weirdly at 240+ and tbh you shouldn't need that.. like 165fps+ is already competitive advantage FPS anyways. There's literally no purpose in generating frames beyond 240.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by Xavvy:

I have a 480hz 24inch competitive monitor that can overclock safely to 500hz and yes I have a 40900. so I've tried to push frames to all kinds of levels.. this app isn't worth it imo past 240hz(240fps). In my opinion it starts to behave weirdly at 240+ and tbh you shouldn't need that.. like 165fps+ is already competitive advantage FPS anyways. There's literally no purpose in generating frames beyond 240.

Could you describe the weirdness above 240? Also, I take it that you tried this with a game that was generating about 60 FPS. If I generate frames in games that are already pushing 280 FPS in order to reach 360, that might not be a problem.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by M:

perception depends on the individual.

That is 100% true. And I exercise discernment when reading the replies.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

LS is going to work fine as long as your 4090 has enough spare power to handle the frame generation. Don't aim for 360fps though, go for 240fps max, more than that is a total waste, 80fps -> 240fps with x3 framegen will be extremely smooth af already.

Waste? Last time we spoke, I taught you the wonders of DLDSR. Now let me teach you the wonders of FPS. The higher the FPS acompanied with a high refresh monitor, the more smooth and life-like the experience.

You can never have too many FPS. Even on singleplayer games. Some say you don't need that much in singleplayer games, but I'd say the same about 4k or 8k. You don't need any of it if we take this argumentative road. To me, 4k is a deal breaker because it sacrifices FPS. On 1440p, I get crispy image and I get to retain the high FPS. The smoother, the better. And that's one of the reasons CS pros are using 360hz monitors and beyond. Today we already have 480, 500, 540 and 1000hz monitors. There is a market for it and a reason for it.

[kripcision]

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

Could you describe the weirdness above 240? Also, I take it that you tried this with a game that was generating about 60 FPS. If I generate frames in games that are already pushing 280 FPS in order to reach 360, that might not be a problem.

i heard from a few people said it isnt smooth past 240 fps, you being at 280 fps and wanting another increase to something higher would most likely just make it stuttery/unsmooth.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by kripcision:

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

Could you describe the weirdness above 240? Also, I take it that you tried this with a game that was generating about 60 FPS. If I generate frames in games that are already pushing 280 FPS in order to reach 360, that might not be a problem.

i heard from a few people said it isnt smooth past 240 fps, you being at 280 fps and wanting another increase to something higher would most likely just make it stuttery/unsmooth.

Gotcha. I will adjust my expectations accordingly.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

LS is going to work fine as long as your 4090 has enough spare power to handle the frame generation. Don't aim for 360fps though, go for 240fps max, more than that is a total waste, 80fps -> 240fps with x3 framegen will be extremely smooth af already.

Waste? Last time we spoke, I taught you the wonders of DLDSR. Now let me teach you the wonders of FPS. The higher the FPS acompanied with a high refresh monitor, the more smooth and life-like the experience.

You can never have too many FPS. Even on singleplayer games. Some say you don't need that much in singleplayer games,

Try it out yourself and then you'll see what Xavvy and I was talking about. I would like to see if someone ever said "Once you played at 360fps you can't go back to 240fps". Or are you saying that your current 144fps is somehow not a very smooth gaming experience already?

but I'd say the same about 4k or 8k. You don't need any of it if we take this argumentative road. To me, 4k is a deal breaker because it sacrifices FPS.

And you are absolutely right with that, you made the right decision. 1440p is the sweet spot, 4k is a waste.

[Spook]

To those unconvinced about the benefits of increasingly higher framerates;

Long but incredibly detailed and very well researched read;
https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/

Opinion (and visual example) from someone very experienced with high refresh rates, image clarity and the benefits thereof. 1 min for the relevant bit, rest of the vid is interesting if you want to learn about image clarity and BFI.
https://youtu.be/nqa7QVwfu7s?feature=shared&t=50


If you are going to have a strong opinion about this you owe it to yourself (but moreso others) to learn about the topic.

[Spook]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

[...] And you are absolutely right with that, you made the right decision. 1440p is the sweet spot, 4k is a waste.

This is highly dependent on your application;

4k on a phone? Probably unnecessary.
4k on a 55inch screen you use as a dekstop monitor? You are looking at a pixel density/image sharpness lower than a 24in 1080p monitor.

[Gizzmoe]

Comparing still images or comparing it in slow-motion is one thing, noticing the difference between 240fps and 360fps in actual gameplay is another.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by Gizzmoe:

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

Waste? Last time we spoke, I taught you the wonders of DLDSR. Now let me teach you the wonders of FPS. The higher the FPS acompanied with a high refresh monitor, the more smooth and life-like the experience.

You can never have too many FPS. Even on singleplayer games. Some say you don't need that much in singleplayer games,

Try it out yourself and then you'll see what Xavvy and I was talking about. I would like to see if someone ever said "Once you played at 360fps you can't go back to 240fps". Or are you saying that your current 144fps is somehow not a very smooth gaming experience already?

but I'd say the same about 4k or 8k. You don't need any of it if we take this argumentative road. To me, 4k is a deal breaker because it sacrifices FPS.

And you are absolutely right with that, you made the right decision. 1440p is the sweet spot, 4k is a waste.

Hmm... Idk if anyone is ever gonna say that. There are nuances to that. For instance, I did say to you in the past that once you experience DLDSR, you won't ever go back to 1080p native because that sht is blurry af, but I can still play PS3 games that are 720p on a 40" TV. It's all about context. As for the FPS, it all depends on the kind of game your playing. You can always adapt and be fine with what you got, but like I said, the more the better. A PCMR will never not want more FPS (unless it's unstable by using this software and pushing it beyond its limits like you guys said).

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by Spook:

To those unconvinced about the benefits of increasingly higher framerates;

Long but incredibly detailed and very well researched read;
https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/

Opinion (and visual example) from someone very experienced with high refresh rates, image clarity and the benefits thereof. 1 min for the relevant bit, rest of the vid is interesting if you want to learn about image clarity and BFI.
https://youtu.be/nqa7QVwfu7s?feature=shared&t=50


If you are going to have a strong opinion about this you owe it to yourself (but moreso others) to learn about the topic.

Exactly!! I saw this video when it was released and when he said that using that monitor is like looking through a window, I got goosebumps. Haha. I'm currently getting a 360hz monitor because it's 1440p OLED. It's a beast of a monitor. I has it all. But in the future when tecnology get to a point where we'll get 1440p OLED with 500-1000hz, I'll buy it!

[Gizzmoe]

Originally posted by Spook:

4k on a 55inch screen you use as a dekstop monitor? You are looking at a pixel density/image sharpness lower than a 24in 1080p monitor.

Yes, but if you would actually notice that depends on how far you sit away from the 55inch screen. You certainly don't sit at close to a 55" than a 27-32".