GPU 73C, CPU 83C: Dangerous Lack of Optimization

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

I posted my thoughts on the game in feedback, they are positive, I'm rooting for this title HARD. However it cannot go ignored the lack of optimization is dangerous for PCs.

Graphics Card: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER (Gigabyte)
Temped above 70c the whole time I played.

AMD Ryzen 5
Temped at 83c

While I don't know what my unique normal temps should be, I know the rule of thumbs. A CPU hitting above 80 isn't good. I do not have liquid cooling. I have 4 case fans, two fans on my gpu, and the stock fan on my cpu. I have my computer by an open window with cool air.

What are your guys' plans to address this issue? I'm fine with persistent bodies being gone.

[jtass]

This is a good and very important question. Looking forward to the answer.

[Brilliant Game Studios]

We are always looking into optimization. We have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours optimizing. Part of the reason your temps are higher than usual, is actually because we basically eliminated CPU bottle neck. So both the GPU and CPU are able to run at their max speed. For a developer, this is generally a good thing, but as you said, temps can get unusually high. The game also uses multiple threads on your CPU as this is the only possible way to handle as many NPCs as we do.

In the mean time, make sure you are not running any other programs while playing the game, this might help keep CPU usage lower. What resolution are you playing at? If you lower the graphics and resolution enough, the CPU may eventually bottle neck(Since the GPU will be free), which may stabilize your system a bit more.

Regards,

Robert.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

Originally posted by Brilliant Game Studios:

We are always looking into optimization. We have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours optimizing. Part of the reason your temps are higher than usual, is actually because we basically eliminated CPU bottle neck. So both the GPU and CPU are able to run at their max speed. For a developer, this is generally a good thing, but as you said, temps can get unusually high. The game also uses multiple threads on your CPU as this is the only possible way to handle as many NPCs as we do.

In the mean time, make sure you are not running any other programs while playing the game, this might help keep CPU usage lower. What resolution are you playing at? If you lower the graphics and resolution enough, the CPU may eventually bottle neck(Since the GPU will be free), which may stabilize your system a bit more.

Regards,

Robert.

I play at 1080p and placed the game's graphics on Medium. My worry is that as more parts of the map open up, and more things are more persistent, that the game may not really be able to work.

Do you guys plan on having travel points between regions? Are the temperatures we're getting now just because it's in a development mode and can we expect them to be lower later on?

This game is a kickass idea and the EA was a lot of fun.

[papalazarou]

surely you have a cooling issue. A decent aftermarket cooler would do wonders and allow for aome nice overclocking

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

I use the stock fan with the CPU
I don't use liquid cool

[Swamp Fox]

Any and every game should max out your cpu and gpu. Has nothing to do with "lack of optimization" and this is a dangerous misunderstanding of how computers work on your part

If you're hitting those temps your case/setup is the issue.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

Originally posted by Microsoft Encarta '95:

Any and every game should max out your cpu and gpu. Has nothing to do with "lack of optimization" and this is a dangerous misunderstanding of how computers work on your part

If you're hitting those temps your case/setup is the issue.

This PC was built in Nov with all new parts, I use an
Cooler Master MasterBox Pro 5 RGB ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - Black

I played with other players whose temps were high too. no other game I've played has sent my cpu over 80c. This game does need better performance.

[Turuk Makto]

It's not really that bad. Mine was: GPU around 55°, CPU around 75°. Running HD resolution on ultra settings.

With some games I got 70°/97° even though my CPU is watercooled.

My solution was to mount a vent with 20 cm diameter that blows all the hot air around my PC out from under the table when my PC is acting like a heater :)

[Imforpeace]

The fact that your hardware gets hot is your issue. If your hardware can't handle a fat load on an unoptimized unity game, you have bigger issues to worry about. Get better cooling if 83C worries you lmao

Those temps are not even close to being dangerous. I ran my 1080ti in 85C for years, and it's still alive and healthy.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

The CPU temp is dangerous, yes the game runs too hot, yes it's not optimized. When the game is fixed and if I have the issues I'll say it's on my end. Reality- It's not my problem.

[Kirei]

Originally posted by (RH) Chrysagon:

The CPU temp is dangerous, yes the game runs too hot, yes it's not optimized. When the game is fixed and if I have the issues I'll say it's on my end. Reality- It's not my problem.

Dear new pc owner. I'd like to welcome you into the world of computers. It's wonderful!

Now, I understand you're worried about your temperatures while playing the game.

You should note that ALL cpu's and ALL gpu's at stock clocks are meant to be able to run at 100% usage for hours on end without being damaged, the only limiting factor here will be when they begin to clock down because of temperatures.

I understand you're worried about your temperatures. 85°Celcius is perfectly normal when running a stock cooler, as you've described you are.

There is nothing to worry about from the developers end. The hardware is functioning as intended and as expected. If you're worried about your temperatures, you'll want to look into other cooling options. Installing aftermarket cooling is a good way to keep your temperatures lower and allow headroom for overclocking.

This rule of thumbs you speak of, is a very old rule, and not updated to new standards. Please disregard old advice as hardware gets designed to run at temperatures up to 95°.

You'll have to check with your CPU instruction manual to find the maximum allowed temperature before it should begin to take damage.

But i'll state the point again.

The game is running fine. Your cpu and gpu are running fine and as expected. If you're worried about temperatures, install more agressive cooling.

[Turuk Makto]

@(RH) Chrysagon
Here a link to the spec sheet of a Ryzen 5 3600 (dunno which one you actually got), which confirms a max temp of 95 °:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-3600

AMD Stock coolers are performing ok for a stock cooler but not compared to the variety of good coolers that are around.

Best coolers for Ryzen 5: https://www.windowscentral.com/best-cpu-coolers-amd-ryzen-5-3600x

Love your post eSport.dk :)


...and higher.

My cpu has a max temp of 100 in the specs sheet. Constantly running at those temperatures is ofc not contributing to the hardwares durability. :)

Originally posted by eSport.dk | Slothic 幽霊:

Originally posted by (RH) Chrysagon:

hardware gets designed to run at temperatures up to 95°.

[Kirei]

Originally posted by Fred_VIE:

@(RH) Chrysagon
Here a link to the spec sheet of a Ryzen 5 3600 (dunno which one you actually got), which confirms a max temp of 95 °:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-3600

AMD Stock coolers are performing ok for a stock cooler but not compared to the variety of good coolers that are around.

Best coolers for Ryzen 5: https://www.windowscentral.com/best-cpu-coolers-amd-ryzen-5-3600x

Love your post eSport.dk :)


...and higher.

My cpu has a max temp of 100 in the specs sheet. Constantly running at those temperatures is ofc not contributing to the hardwares durability. :)

You'll be fine running at 95° for 4-5 years. :P

[Turuk Makto]

Originally posted by eSport.dk | Slothic 幽霊:

You'll be fine running at 95° for 4-5 years. :P

Well until then the CPU would be too slow anyways :) Maybe I should go back to overclocking then because I reached 97° even though it's watercooled. That way I have reason to upgrade in 2 to 3 years lol.

@(RH) Chrysagon
If one person tells you that your cpu-cooler is to blame, ignore him.
If two people tell you that your cpu-cooler is to blame, waste a thought on it.
If three (or more) people tell you that your cpu-cooler is to blame, get a better cpu-cooler!

Also ofc the air-flow within the case could be at fault as well. It could well be that one more case-ventilator might help in your case. Pun intended :)

[Kirei]

Originally posted by Fred_VIE:

Originally posted by eSport.dk | Slothic 幽霊:

You'll be fine running at 95° for 4-5 years. :P

Well until then the CPU would be too slow anyways :) Maybe I should go back to overclocking then because I reached 97° even though it's watercooled. That way I have reason to upgrade in 2 to 3 years lol.

@(RH) Chrysagon
If one person tells you that your cpu-cooler is to blame, ignore him.
If two people tell you that your cpu-cooler is to blame, waste a thought on it.
If three (or more) people tell you that your cpu-cooler is to blame, get a better cpu-cooler!

Also ofc the air-flow within the case could be at fault as well. It could well be that one more case-ventilator might help in your case. Pun intended :)

Just to note your cooling solution. Water cooled systems are not designed to run close to 95°. We're reaching boiling temperatures here, and while we're not boiling the water yet, we're still creating a lot of heat in the hoses and pumps which makes them more likely to corrode.

Please be careful and check your setup for any signs of wear and tear if you are running at 97° with watercooling. Also, running at 97° could indicate you might want to reseat the CPU/GPU and reapply thermal paste. These are all warning signs to be aware of.

To give you an example. My amd ryzen 3950x reaches temperatures of 92° under full load with stock air cooling. 82° with water cooling, and during a submerged test we reached as low as 68°

Running the same overclock in all cases and same test for 36 hours.