Triumph achievements (please post your experience to help other players)

[RStraub]

As I did not nearly play all different classes I m having a hard time to consider which class to be the best / fastest to do any of the triumph achievements, especially the 'no pet', 'no ability' and 'no incantation', 'no evocation' ones.

Here is what I got so far:
'Pure Theory', 'Shut in', 'New and old me' and 'Commando' all done in one single run as follows:
Apprentice - Prodigy - Archon(TA)
2e5 memories
Renown VI
Gear: legenday
Enchantments: 7-15 average
time spent: 4 rl days idle mode
idea: named classes barely require any summoning spells

Please post your experience and help us / me :)

[Staf]

Just done 'Young Generation' (reach e1100 with minor god > major god) , ezpz in few hours, just lvl up minor god to lvl 60-80, then drown all major god to 0 .

[BlueGlass]

Currently just about to finish up a set of triumphs at the start of my most recent realm. At 1.5e7 memories, I went for Brute Force (e600 with no incantations, just happened to be left to do still), Not Enough Mana (e1000 with < 100 spellcasts per exile) and Young Generation (e1100 with sum of minor god lvls > sum of major god lvls)

The main thing I learned from this (if you want to skip the incoming wall of text) is that Not Enough Mana is pure evil and combining it with Young Generation was a bad idea.

Pre-Realming, I first backed up my save, then used a 5-day timewarp to drain all the major gods but Cerebros down to 0. While I didn't check this for myself, apparently Young Generation will fail on your first exile if the carried over levels don't meet the requirements even though the pantheon is locked, so that's a good way to check and be sure you're good to go.

The first one was pretty much effortless. I went Necromancer into Shaman and cleared it in a couple hours no problem.

Not Enough Mana was pure pain. It took me a bit over two days, though due to the way I went about it, a good part of that was probably wasted time. After skimming the discord, general consensus is that there's two viable classes for this one: Heretic and Necromancer. I sort of figured Necro would involve either lots of waiting around for the class's ability to build up or pumping out timewarps to get the same effect sooner, neither of which was very appealing, so I went for Heretic.

Even then, I was pretty much just working with my understanding of the class to alter it to work within the constraints and had to figure out a few things as I went along. It was draining because doing any sort of buildup requires near-constant attention, as you need to cancel spellcasts before they finish. Of the 90-96 spellcasts I allowed myself per exile (wanted to stay on the safe side to avoid failing the triumph), the vast majority (about 80) went to casts of Smite, with Archivist and evo efficiency gear boosting their effect as much as I could. The remainder were saved to compensate for slipups and Voidforged Armaments getting recast once per burst due to a quirk of my setup. Viod Syphon casts, while good during short runs while I was still gaining mysteries fast, were not worth it for longer runs, I felt, since a couple minutes of Summon Winged Night would give me just as many VEs as one cast.

For building up excess HCs, I eventually realized the best way was to use Divine Ally along with as many autoclicks as I could get, combined with Relentlessness. This was incredibly tiring, because Divine Ally has a duration of 60 seconds, so every 50-55 seconds, I'd have to swap to a blank spellset and back to my HC farming set. I also used this time to level up Archivist to get as much as I could out of those Smite casts.

When it comes to burst and void mana, Voidterror is superior to Voidlight Amalgam in this case, since I was limited in total HCs performed. Thankfully, it can also level decently with just Void Lure, Void Prison, and Summon Winged Night active, which all have a five minute duration, and can even still level well enough without any spells active at all.

Another important thing is Voidbolt, which has a 1 second duration, meaning it can be cast then cancelled to charge up not only Shard of a Lost Dimension, but also Redeemer. Thankfully, not a lot of time is actually spent actively using it, so it's not as bas as the HC farming section, which I had to keep up for several hours on some of the later exiles.

Progressing with such limited buildup is very rough, and so I tried to take advantage of every boost available to me, including buffs (all but shards are useful here and combined give a noticeable boost to mysteries) and even the pet ability power over time perk from EMP 200. For the last couple exiles, I even wound up using nullifier cores to redistribute catalysts, just to eke out those last few OoMs of mysteries.

Thankfully, after that, I was able to play Heretic as normal to cover the remaining distance to e1100 for Young Generation in a bit over a day (or it will be once I finish this final exile).

[BlueGlass]

Just started up a new realm, and with it a new set of triumphs. At 1.8e7 memories, I decided to go for everything I still had left: Mighty Missile, Devoid of Void, Chemically Inert, and Path of No Exile. This set... is looking like it might be a bit too much at once.

Obviously, I had to get Path of No Exile (e80 mysts on first exile) out of the way first. I did this via Necromancer and 12.5 days worth of timeskips, as well as respeccing my memories entirely into direct profit boosts. I'd imagine the number of timeskips required would lower significantly if I'd had catalysts, been able to use spells aside from magic missile and Nightfall, and been able to get some void mana.

I'm currently still working on Mighty Missile, using Arcanist, and progress started slowing to a crawl around e400 mysts. I'm really unsure how far I'll actually be able to push this, as e700 is still a long ways off, and I'm getting only 4-6e profit from several hour long runs.

[Delreich]

Last realm:
- Mighty Missile + Not Enough Mana
- 1.23e7 memories
- Necromancer + Voidterror + Risen Giant (RG beats Zombie after as little as 2 minutes)
- Very low effort / activity (no spell cancelling or similar shenanigans, mostly just idle)
- About 5 days total, with a single 12h time warp at the end
- Trials and experiments earlier than ideal (i.e. before catalyst memetics), because slow
- Could probably have been done a lot quicker if I'd exiled more and / or used more warps
- Had to rollback once because apparently spells can get offline casts from manual casts

Would not recommend combining these with any conflicting triumphs. Doing them together worked well enough though. NEM isn't much of a limitation on the Necro variant of MM, and MM is done by the time NEM becomes challenging.


This realm:
- Path of No Exile + No Skills Issue + Young Generation
- 1.53e7 memories
- 55-ish runes, 1.2e5-ish of each dust (after forging items and crafting/upping phylacteries)
- God levels before switch were Cere ~460, minors ~83 and others at 0
- Necromancer + Zombie for PoNE / NSI, Archon more or less as usual after that (so far)
- 24-ish hours for PoNE / NSI, Young'uns in progress (currently at e740 after 27h)
- No trials nor experiments (except one trial of patience) before cata-memetics

These triumphs fit together perfectly; the pantheon isn't relevant for NSI, and neither gods nor attributes matter for PoNE.

I did a few attempts at the first exile (exporting just before/after switching realms). Chronomancer seemed like it would work reasonably well, Arcanist not as well. Necro is probably best though.

For going without attributes, I started out trying to make use of more equipment with the help of Geode. Exorcist was better than Arcanist / Chrono / Prodigy / Heretic in that setting. Eventually ditched the items and went Necro + Zombie instead (just idle and win), and that worked much better. It's quite possible one of the other classes would be better if paired with a more suitable pet than Geode, but Zombiemancer is likely the idlest.

For the gods, most of the effort went to leveling them up / down before the switch. I spent 23 days worth of time warps and a sleep of real time (and some time with a spreadsheet) to set things up for level 63 minors, 350-ish Cerebros and draining the others completely. I'm not done yet though, so there might be more effort required later.

[Edit]: Completed Young'uns with no complications. Did trials and experiments at e760, getting enchants up to 26-30 (from 3-7). Final time was just over 47 hours. Played Archon more or less as usual, except with lower pet levels without the bonuses from Proc / Alte.

[Xblugs]

Excommunicado (Exo/Void)
Exorcist until ~e400 then Voidmancer
9e5 memories (Forlorn Nob / Rekindled / Forlorn Purp / Cognitive Reso at 31/21/9/5)
Renown II
Gear: All Leg
Enchantments: 11-12 for Exo gear and 15-16+5 for Void (didn't use resonator with Exo for some brainfart reasons)
time spent: ~3 days total time

I started not long ago to tackle class triumph, already have shard enjoyer and botanist done but this one is def harder, scaling is just not the same without accumulated/persistent to stack.

At first i started with Exo, tons of quick runs you unlock gear slots and reforge stuff, get cheap enchant level it was pretty smooth even if i didn't keep a lot of blue dust for experiments. At around ~e380(?) my run started to be longer (~30min to 1 hour) which isn't good on Exo and also give like e2-e3 i kinda milked this noneless.

I started to look around in the game discord and here for info, it felt really hard to progress while i try to not spoil myself the strats for things because figuring is half the fun, the entire triumph could have been way faster.

As recommended i switched to Voidmancer (which wasn't planned originally) and i had to do some item set on the fly (remade them bit by bit with better items for the class, Void guide don't get that high, probs that Heretic guide could have helped dunno), it resumed my progression. Secret was to use the accumulator to have Ritual of Potency (weapon abi can be stacked offline)
Basically enchanted Void and Empowering set, Incant power is nice and Evo too.

Overall with my current sets it would have been way faster but still felt a bit early/slow especially compared to Botanist/Shard Enjoyer

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New And Old Me (Prodigy/Chrono)
Went Prodigy only
1e6 memories (Forlorn Nob / Rekindled / Forlorn Purp / Cognitive Reso / Forlorn Greatness at 35/20/10/5/2)
Renown II
Gear: All Leg
Enchantments: 12-13+5
time spent: a bit more than 24h real time

Compared to Excommunicado this one was really simple, i stayed with Prodigy and only did one Chrono run to test if it was better but i'm not much of a Chrono player, still used that time to pump some triumph bonuses.

I choosed to do a mini Prodigy run before realming to retain a minimum amount of True Sorc to help speed up the things (for as much as a few % of those cast could help from imprint)

Basically every time it started to slow down i unlocked something, phylactery helped since it gave one more slot to enchant. Runs went a bit longer near the end but still a pretty easy triumph at this point.

[Diet Dr. Beta]

I finally decided to do Eternal Student at 2.2e6 Memories. And wow, this is impressively slow.
Nobility 100, Pride 24, Efficiency 20, Resource 20, Purpose 29, Cognitive 5, Greatness 9.
Renown 4, Legendary gear, ~15+4 Enchants, time spent so far: 2 days, currently at e275 Mysteries.
I'm honestly not sure if I'm just doing some inefficient, but it's fast enough that I'm not really seeking help, I'm making this post to point out findings that I noticed others didn't mention or didn't find out about.

First, Clicks is almost always at least as good as Evocations, if not better.
Second, while Voidterror is a great pet for this, if you have to step away from your PC for any period of time, Risen Giant is strictly better and also you can squeeze out a little bit more in your burst via Terror VMana buildup, switching to Risen Giant, building up pet levels for a little bit, then bursting, often an extra e3+ per Exile. To some people, stuff like this may be obvious, but not to me, so I'm recording it here for others to potentially see.

Third, Attributes are a pain in the butt and need a lot of fine-tuning to get right. Early into Items, it's just stat requirements and making sacrifices on what you wanna run and I'm not even sure if I was efficient about it, but as long as most of your equipment in pet buildup, Vmana buildup, and all of your Burst set requirement are met, you should be fine. Also, use Bite Sleeves as soon as you hit e240, they free up a lot of Empathy for pet buildup, especially for reaching Hollow Eye Pendant, which I did at e275.

Update: Finished the Triumph. Slowed down a lot right at the end, pushed from e298 to e300 with a long Risen Giant run, since Risen Giant + Accumulator have decent scaling, unlike Apprentice.
Now following it up with Shards Enjoyer, since despite playing nothing but Archon, haven't done this one yet.

Update 2: Shards Enjoyer only took about an hour and change from e300 to e500. Abolisher is kind of nuts compared to other classes in this spot, thanks Doppelganger.

Update 3: Immediately Realming again and trying my hand at Path of No Exile just to see how close I might get (Necromancer) and also Botanist even though it's the least useful Triumph for me, just cause I felt like it.
Update 4: Path of No Exile is not happening, about e50 with Necro, so I'd be hard-pressed to break e60 even if I took days of buildup.
Update 5: Decided to do an overnight buildup and only hit e60. Path of No Exile is still a long ways off.

[Diet Dr. Beta]

Botanist done. Nothing particularly out of the ordinary, just stacking Idle Bonus on Necro as high as possible with Risen Giant, 1 phase for pet levels/time, 1 phase for VMana (in which I also gather a bunch of Entities manually at first, automatically later on for EXP), then burst. Towards the end, I needed to wait like 10 minutes for a decent pet buildup, but it was still very uneventful. At my current Memories, I expect these class Challenges to be fairly easy, outside of having to re-learn some class mechanics (Umbra/Alch). Also doing Let's Cook now.

Followup 2 days later: Let's Cook is taking forever, turns out Abolisher is above-average compared to other T1 classes in the e400-e500 range. Don't feel like learning Alchemist again so I've been slow-going with Umbramancer, which struggles to get e5 in the e440+ range.
Day 3 update: Turns out my offhand was doing nothing by accident. Mystery gains have improved in the e475+ range. Should be done before day 4.
Day 3.8 update: I learned some more Umbra optimizations (namely fine-tuning Summon Efficiency against Incantation Efficiency). Finished the last e7 off an overnight buildup with Behemoth. As long as I live, I probably won't touch Umbra ever again and Deso solely for when I finally bother to do the last 2 Liquid Shadow Achievements.
Day 3.8.2 update: Man, this upgrade has some mediocre scaling. Better than nothing. Onto Playing With Fire.
Day 4.5: They just released an update that buffed Umbramancer. I am shocked, cause it feels like they're trolling me. (2 new upgrades buff how often Liquid Shadow fills Spells, up to FIVE TIMES faster, which would've helped with Seethe in Shadow during bursts a lot, Passive just got a huge buff, and Umbral Rage scaling buffed.) These would have probably reduced my grind from almost 4 days to 2 or 3 days.
Final update: Switched to Ironsoul at e400, should've done so way sooner, cause I blasted fast to e500 and finished Playing With Fire. Going onto Excommunicado.

[Xblugs]

Playing with Fire (Demo/Iron)
I did a run or two with Demo and hopped right onto Ironsoul
1.1e6 memories (Forlorn Nob / Rekindled / Forlorn Purp / Cognitive Reso / Forlorn Greatness at 50/30/10/5/2)
Renown II
Gear: All Leg
Enchantments: 11+5
time spent: a bit more than 24h real time

I had a lil' issue with my imprint that made my start slower than it should have but Ironsoul scale pretty well, the more you get up the faster you go.

Only advice i can give is: Stack your accumulator a bit with apprentice before switching to Iron as he can spam 2 instants evoc (Ironsoul doesn't insta cast furious strike in def stance it's an Oni only feature)

[BlueGlass]

Just finished up a combined Devoid of Void and Chemically Inert. At 1.8e7 memories, this took the better part of 16 days using Shaman, with a couple Get Mysteries used near the end to speed things up. I strongly recommend not combining Chemically Inert with any triumph that will take significant time, as time spent in it is time essentially not gaining catalysts, and therefore less memories at the end of the realm.

I decided on shaman since rough guessing put it as the T2 class that gains the least from void mana. Heretic and Desolator are immediately disqualified, Archon gets multiple benefits to void mana via Psychic Cacophony, Temporalist gets a bunch of void mana prior to burst, not to mention the levels gained from VEs, and Oni is able to use a high-level Voidterror to gather a bunch of void mana before bursting.

By far the slowest part came as I neared e900 mysts, needing multi-day runs for reasonable progress, and even the boost from source memetics only helped so much (a bit less than e30).

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Shield and Laser + Brute Force (No Evoc/No Incant)
Used Druid (until ~e350ish) --> Shaman
1.3e6 memories (Forlorn Nob / Rekindled / Forlorn Purp / Cognitive Reso / Forlorn Greatness at 57/30/10/5/2)
Renown II
Gear: All Leg
Enchantments: (15-16)+5
time spent: 7days total , 6days for Brute Force (e600) and around a day for Shield and Laser (e700)

Before starting the triumph i was wondering which one to go for as i'm about done with T1 ones, this combo seemed faster still than Eternal Student. Would def recommend doing Commando (No Summ) before to help the process as it's bonus is an idle bonus one.

Honestly i expected it to take around that time but it felt really slow, didn't help that i failed the triumph early on without having made a save beforehand. Muscular memory to put a spell set on apprentice on a new exile for exp got me, don't be like me and export before doing a certain rule triumph (that wasn't an issue for T1 classes). I gladly nuked my imprint realming again to do the thing.

Basically you have only summon to fiddle with, you could probs put the persistent on your bar to have the passive bonus but after that fail on my end i never put anything else than summ on my slots (and i'd have so little cast that it wouldn't matter)

The one advice i can give is don't attach yourself to a pet, you don't have access to void siphon, stack what you have, switch to void terror, stack void, switch back to desired pet and burst. Doing so on druid would have made it terribly faster than collecting entities with void set.
(Mix falconeer and void stuff on the parts that doesn't have pet exp + collar of obedience to level Void T.)

Pet wise for the druid part you obv go with Ent, when you switch to Shaman if your run is like 20 minute or less Ent would be stronger since R.Giant scale on Shaman scaling (and pet time is kinda irrelevant since you can't pump it up with the scythe), when you go to idle/afk put on the void terror as it will get boosted with the Empathy(200) perk.

I tried Herald of Rot for science during an overnight offline and it's not worth it keep VT and RG.

Considering i was clueless about Shaman gear, i killed my imprint and didn't use the persistent passive and also using VT only on my Shaman part after some while, i could have done this way faster, like a day faster at least i think (used all the rune from Halloween event codes on it tho).

No word about No Evoc since it's 100% free once you're done with No Incant, my exile went from slow slow to ~15 minute exile with +e10.

[deadinsanegamer]

i am at 1.3e5 memories i am attempting clothes slow me down i am at e350 in mystery's i am run desolater atm like a normal run for me. is there a better path?

i have pure theory and shut-in already and all secrets done

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deadinsanegamer님이 먼저 게시:

i am at 1.3e5 memories i am attempting clothes slow me down i am at e350 in mystery's i am run desolater atm like a normal run for me. is there a better path?

Attempting such a punishing Triumph so early sounds like pain. How long has your run been going? I can't imagine attempting it with only 1e5 memories. I haven't done it yet at 1.5e7 :) I am planning to do it next though. Still need to do Allergy too among the old ones.

[deadinsanegamer]

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deadinsanegamer님이 먼저 게시:

i am at 1.3e5 memories i am attempting clothes slow me down i am at e350 in mystery's i am run desolater atm like a normal run for me. is there a better path?

Attempting such a punishing Triumph so early sounds like pain. How long has your run been going? I can't imagine attempting it with only 1e5 memories. I haven't done it yet at 1.5e7 :) I am planning to do it next though. Still need to do Allergy too among the old ones.

10 days i only play when its slow at work so probably closer to 4 active days at most on the game the rest in a building states on the classes

[phenir]

deadinsanegamer님이 먼저 게시:

i am at 1.3e5 memories i am attempting clothes slow me down i am at e350 in mystery's i am run desolater atm like a normal run for me. is there a better path?

i have pure theory and shut-in already and all secrets done

1e5 memories is probably too soon but 1e7 is overkill lmao. Only advice I could give since you are so close to the goal would be doing things you might not normally, use get mysteries to skip build up, reset catalysts to invest them all in one source. Maybe reset memories to put everything in profit? Obviously, export before you experiment with any of this.