issue to developers

[Bor'keen]

void syphon very poorly scales from gear to evocation. while on all spells the indicators look like 1e10 +/-, the void syphon does not even have 1e3. this is clearly awful

I appeal to the developers, dear guys developers, please change the formula of void syphon
from 5 × (1 + 2 × log10(E))
to 5 × (1 + 2 × log10(E)) × (1 + 2 × log10(C))
where C = character level
or something else

[Jey]

No, that's normal.

[Bor'keen]

are you a developer? I think not.
I would like to hear the developers ' response

[BlueGlass]

Not one of the devs either, but Void Syphon has always been like this. It just scales differently from most other evocation spells. If it were a bug, it would have been found and patched ages ago. It's probably a balance issue, to keep the number of void entities obtained to a semi reasonable level.

If you're curious, here's the formula according to the wiki:

5 × (1 + 2 × log base10(E))

Where E = evocation efficiency

Not sure how to do a subscript in a forum post, sorry.

[Bor'keen]

Yes, this is understandable. I'm confused about something else. in order to unlock the Voidlight amalgam you need to collect 1e9 void entities. I have the entire full legendary gear on Evocation, with 10 LVL enchant. I collect about 5% per day, so I have to sit for almost 20 days just with an open game to unlock this pet. this is terrible, this is awful.
when I reach 1e550 I can open Mechanos apexis. this will give even a small bonus to void siphon, and instead of 500, for one cast, it will give 510. this is such a big bonus....
maybe I don't understand something?

[MrBall]

Void Siphon is not the only one to amass Void entities collected. Its a Tier 1 class spell and designed to be useful to early Voidmancer play.

Alot of things scale logrithmically and its all part of the math to balence a class.

You can get 1e9 Void entities much quicker with Temporolist using Synthetic entity. But if you aren't at e550 mysteries why are you working on it ... you can't unlock T3 pets (any of them) until you do. (if you think Void amalgamation is bad Mechanos apexis is WAY harder to unlock. i'm at e700 mysteries and haven't unlocked it)

[Jey]

Originally posted by Bor'keen:

are you a developer? I think not.
I would like to hear the developers ' response

and yes, you can consider Iffu as official voice. he do a lot for development proccess, community and knows almost everything about our plans.

Aside from that, Mr.Ball gave the most helpful answer :
-Get the HC with Heretic (since they are **all time** performed HC)
-Play as Temporalist to get the entities relatively fast (it requires the legendary chronomancer weapon to skip enough time)
-Unlock Void Amalgam
-Go back to playing Heretic, with your new pet.

That said, 500 void entities per void syphon seems lowish. Are you using Archivist and evocation items for that?
While using Temporalist for the void entities is the most efficient, I think with proper optimisation, you can actually do both the Hallowed Clicks and the Void Entities at the same time, and unlock the VlA in a decent amount of time.

[Mahaveez -WRITE mode-]

Evocation efficiency isn't as strong as the other efficiencies because of exceptions like this where it doesn't actually give the multiplier you expect it to. But yes--situations like this are why you need to get strong with all classes. You may enjoy playing Heretic, but you need strong Temporalist play/equips to unlock the Heretic's elite pet in a reasonable timespan.

[Bor'keen]

Originally posted by Mr. Ball:

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You can get 1e9 Void entities much quicker with Temporolist using Synthetic entity. But if you aren't at e550 mysteries why are you working on it ... you can't unlock T3 pets (any of them) until you do. (if you think Void amalgamation is bad Mechanos apexis is WAY harder to unlock. i'm at e700 mysteries and haven't unlocked it)

yeah. im forgot about temporalist. thx a lot
you still havn't unlock only apexis?

Originally posted by Iffu:

and yes, you can consider Iffu as official voice. he do a lot for development proccess, community and knows almost everything about our plans.

ok. I will keep in mind

Originally posted by Iffu:

Aside from that, Mr.Ball gave the most helpful answer :
-Get the HC with Heretic (since they are **all time** performed HC)
-Play as Temporalist to get the entities relatively fast (it requires the legendary chronomancer weapon to skip enough time)
-Unlock Void Amalgam
-Go back to playing Heretic, with your new pet.

exactly! thx.
but, isn't a Chronomancer better than a temporalist?

The Chronomancer's wormhole is a normal spell, charged with spellshards, under time distortion 27, it is cast extremely quickly. but temporalist's wormhole is charged from time, so it takes a long time to cast. I guess I still don't understand something, but as for me, the temporalist skip time much worse than the Chronomancer

Originally posted by Iffu:

That said, 500 void entities per void syphon seems lowish. Are you using Archivist and evocation items for that?

yes. archivist with full legendary evoc set with 10 lvl chants. just check: today's max cap is 540 per cast

Originally posted by Iffu:

While using Temporalist for the void entities is the most efficient, I think with proper optimisation, you can actually do both the Hallowed Clicks and the Void Entities at the same time, and unlock the VlA in a decent amount of time.

already complete 1e11 performed HC. just need few days to reach e550.

p.s. there is still 1 question about T3 pets. how fast does living sin open? as I understand, you need to take ONI with interrogator. at the moment, the maximum level that I was able to reach is 600+. how long will it take to reach 1000?

[Bor'keen]

the Golden rule of life: if you want to change something, suggest an option. I appeal to the developers, dear guys developers, please change the formula void syphon
from 5 × (1 + 2 × log10(E))
to 5 × (1 + 2 × log10(E)) × (1 + 2 × log10(C))
where C = character level

[MrBall]

The issue with that is at character level 1 thats going to triple void syphon's power but at level 100 it's only 5x more powerful. The spell's issue (in your mind) is that it scales poorly into late game.

The reason it is fine for it to fall out is in Heratic the T2 version of Voidmancer you have a second source of "void entities" gathered in the form of excess Hallow Clicks which you can build for XP as well. They wanted to encourage use of multiple classes to unlock everything.

Temporalist's Wormhole charges with time in ratio to your Temporal distortion which can reach 30 as temporalist filling its VERY quickly and skipping multiple years per cast and casting 60 times a second. This gives you tthousands of sythetic entity charges a second which grant tens of thousands if not hundred thousands of void entities collected per second.

In my opinion living sin unlocks very quickly. If you setup for max evocation on Oni properly and give it a couple hours to build you can reach pet level 1000 fairly easily (using T1 Interregator). at 40k Memories and 705e Mysteries i can get to 1400 pet level

The issue with unlocking Apexis is the 1 million enchanting dust in a single Exile... i'm about to Realm for the 3rd time reaching 90k total Memories and i've only earned 2 million life time enchanting dust.

[Jey]

Originally posted by Mr. Ball:

The issue with unlocking Apexis is the 1 million enchanting dust in a single Exile... .

I'm fairly certain you only need 100k enchanting dust.

[MrBall]

Well 100k... reading is hard... still my inability to not burn all my crafting dust on batches of 10 experiments getting 100k in one run is still rough :D

[Bor'keen]

will I be able to see at least one official response?

[Jey]

Of course : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435653243012382720/602879112683716619/unknown.png