Another realm question :)

[The Nothing Man]

Hello all

So I JUST unlocked realms
however it seems 6.85k memories vs losing everything isnt a great deal...

when is a good time to lose all and get memories by changing realms?
and im unsure what the forge even is, as it says items are only obtained via the forge after the realm change..

confused there

so when is a good time to change, and how do i get my items back

on legacy paragon im stuck on the enchanting dust
aka par 45 legacy
and 25 almost 26 on standard paragon (really wanting to unlock those t3 pets

[MrBall]

So i did my first realm change at 500ish mysteries (cause thats when they got added to the game) for about 12k Memories and it worked ok for me

You get your items back with the "forge" which takes about 8 hrs (at legendary/unique less for lower rank) for 2 items (of your choice) at the cost of about 2k of all 4 dusts.

You get alot of tools to increase Dust/Catalyst gains and can increase profits by about 100x for 10k memories. This in concjuction with all the challenges still being finished you can get back to 400 mysteries much faster.

[The Nothing Man]

500 mysteries? there is no such thing now
you mean e5? cause 500 mysteries wouldnt net you anything now.. thats not even lvl 1 paragon which is 10 billion mysteries

im almost e425 mysteries and the memories are less than 6k
and no way does that help even with those bonus's to get back to where i was or forge etc

then the question of which memories to pick to spend
id pick void by default as its the most used imo
then incantation then dusts and such

idk this is all somewhat new...vs the game

sooo that said, whats the real mystery count I should even think about resetting from?
and note 90% of my gear is maxed so that seems like forever to get back items

hugs and lemme know

[MrBall]

Obviously i was talking e500 i think it was e530 to be exact. Currently i'm e698 pushing for the next paragon cause i get T2 God bonuses which are huge for Archon.

Every time it feels like forever to get your items back even though objectively its not THAT bad.

With 10k you can do quite a bit. Void Profits Evocation and Idle can be put to level 5 for 1k Memories for 4x profits a piece so for 3k memories you get 4^3 or 64x more profits. Another 3.5k gets you 3x from Forlorn nobility. Leaving 4kish to get more crafting dust and enchanting dust.

[The Nothing Man]

so min of 10k memories and realm it?

lol and whew I was thinking 500 mysteries was really low lol

its a slow build for me to hit this next paragon leg and standard
archon is my fav, and void mana = rocks
no clue about gods yet, but methinks I wanted to at least unlock t3 pets before the realm change, but now thats looking far far away

hmm

[BlueGlass]

Unfortunately, you can't skip Paragon levels, so you have to realm change before you can get T3 pets, since it's past the 4k memory requirement for Pantheon unlock.

Personally, I've been spending a few days/weeks pushing a bit further before my first Realm change, want to get as many achievements as I can, especially the level 200 T2 classes, since they give upgrades. Currently at e553 mysteries and 21k memories (I did a lot of catalyst farming in expeditions before that got nerfed). I figure that while it's slower now, I'll be able to get back faster with the additional memories.

Heretic is incredibly powerful, I've found, able to make e3 to e5 mysteries with only a few hours (provided you have the equipment available and properly enchanted), and there's a really nice guide for it on the wiki, albeit not updated with research items or trophies. I also really like Archon, since I offline a lot, which lets Soulstealer get to high levels. Once you get to about e500 and the level 300 Soulstealer power comes into play, it's a pretty nice boost (it works based on mysteries over e474, I believe).

Shaman, Oni, and Temporalist all have too much buildup needed for my tastes, though I'll probably try them out at some point, and Desolator just feels really complicated and hard to use properly. I did a 6-hour run the other day for exactly zilch.

e425 to e500 shouldn't take as long as it seems and will give you a nice chunk of memories as well. Keep working at it! Like most idle games, this is about making steady progress over a long period of time.

[The Nothing Man]

atm im using archon used to be huge boosts
but its a builder early on

can you let me know a build as im on about the 410 mark and its struggling i mean i can run 1-2 days and get 413-414
shrug

i have most achievements and secrets
minus ones ive not unlocked
all challenges course

but yeah I could do stats and gear but
id like to know what is nice in this arena for hitting a higher mark
if i let arch sit online for 2 weeks it would destroy
once u get that abil power boost 275 its nuts, then 300 moreso (pet level for archon)

hit me up maybe share some infos

[MrBall]

Yeah having a proper Pet xp set is super critical and why i'm excited for second ability on gods at e700 mysteries cause one god gives ~100% xp from sources and another gives ~150% pet XP which should let me get the T3 version of soulstealer (he can evolve at 350 if you have unlocked T3 pets) and back to 325 in less than the 2 days it takes now.

Right now i get about e4 mysteries in a day but after a day it slows alot as going to a 3rd day only gets me like e1.5 more mysteries.

I have 33k Memories (my second realm change was before the rebalence so wasn't as great) but when i do this one it'll be more than 40k.

I must not give heratic enough time as i find it way weaker than archon but getting e3-5 in less than a day at e550 and no memories is solid

[BlueGlass]

The wiki has an excellent guide for Archon: https://idle-wizard.fandom.com/wiki/TA_Archon
It has equipment sets for different enchant levels, as well as clear explanation of what to do at each step and why. Using this, I've gotten over e10 mysts on an exile (might have been a bit below your current mysts level, hard to remember exactly).

For Heretic, yeah it can make some pretty good quick profit, but it's not so good for longer runs. That said, I went from e545 to e553 with only ~12 hours of buildup, so... In addition to the previously mentioned wiki guide, there's one on Steam that has more complete equipment suggestions but is missing a few crucial steps when it comes to 6+ hour runs, as it seems to be directed more towards rebuilding progress quickly after a Realm change.

[The Nothing Man]

@bluegrass
those guides are drastically out of date
just fyi

most of em are anyway, but this link looks nice, but its no where near what i use on archon

archon just is a builder so more time = more all

but im talking 2 days min for any good movement..

curious what gear u all run (all of it)
as that is important to have 3 gears or 2 min
one for buildup one for blast

[MrBall]

For Archon i run

Pet build
Artificer Shoulders
Casque of learning
Consealing shround (more spell slots for more casts during build)
Hollow Eye pendant
Nomadic Wrists
Falconers fur coat
Falconers Gloves
Companionship ring
Chiroperic Rod (i don't like the thunderbird sword)
endless Pouches
Commisar's Torn Sleeve
Resonator's ring
Daemonics Reverse engineering
The great journey
arcane engine
Anima Core

For Void build i use
Full Nether's Embrace set
Empowering Shoulders and belt
Bite Sleeves
Temporal stabilizer
pitch black cage
Resonater ring
Void Sampling
Anomolous essence and Anima core

Burst is
Full power armor
Concealing shroud
Lucky pendant
Bite sleeves
Fiery ring
Chiroperic rod
Commisar's Torn Sleeve
Resonator's ring
Daemonics Reverse engineering
The great journey
arcane engine
Anima Core

[The Nothing Man]

interesting as thats almost mine for burst but and void build esp the more bats u get ooorah

and this week was bat week
I dont use temporal anything

Also you didnt list attributes, or how many points ya have. that owuld be helpful

Void Buildup

Strange spaulders
Bright beacon
Nether fist
falc fur coat
falc cape
endless pouches
nomadic wrists
Legacy (feet)
Pitch black cage
resinator ring
whiplash

anomolous ess
necrotic powerstone
Void sampling


Burst after void buildup

Full profit set

Strange spaulders
easy mind head
pompus tunic
colorful belt
gemshoes
talented gloves
nomadic wrists
fancy cape
hollow eye
whiplash
resonator ring

Heart of the storm
Anima core
daemonics reverse eng

shadow crystal ball for both

Attributes in order

225
200
95
125+75
0+25
0+25
200+25
200

changes with gear too
100% of cats on springs

[MrBall]

I'm at e700 Mysts i have so many attributes + the 26 from commisar's torn sleeve i'm at 250 for everything except Dom cause its useless

[MrBall]

I wouldn't use the crystal ball at all its pretty much useless on Archon as JSM generates so many casts it makes the casts from Crystal ball irrelevant. Additionally if you hit e725 mana (not sure you do at your mysteries) you can't cast your invocations during max build setup

if you don't reach e725 do you do an abolisher phase before going Archon to build up Shards collected?

The Temoporal is SOLELY for its enchantment of Invocation efficincy as it improves Void Radience for more void mana (its like 4 levels lower than my other enchantments)

Best cast build is JSM 4 Accmulator spells and lightning bolt only lighting and JSM on autocast (at least it seems fastest to me)

Do you have the full Player Xp set i outlined? thats HUGE for archon as pet XP scales exponentially with character level getting Psychic Cacophony (T3 soul stealer) pretty much requires level 208 on your character

Swtich out Necrotic Power stone with Anima core (Incantation efficiency improves void mana build up) this is because Void profits only helps if its in your burst set.

Gem Shoes are pretty weak as well i'd recommend against those

Additionally i'd spread cats out as it helps you earn more cats overall... until you hit cap for earning cats of that type (500 for red and 250 for blue) then 100% on springs

[The Nothing Man]

any spell that gains per cast = great for that crystal ball
no other weapon seems decent enough

and again im nowhere near those mysteries
im e404 thats not even close to what your saying

there is no such thing as a full xp set, idk why people keep saying this
there is only the belt and the wrist,
the rest are char ability, nothing else is xp gained from x y or z
my gem shoes are insane.. idk its like saying dont use the profit build gear, which is the jester stuffs
all mine are +10 with the ring buff

I used to have my cats spread, mainly on nexus
but then when i redid it to only archon springs things moved far faster and I dont mind spending to reset those

abolisher phase?
abolisher does zero and i mean zero mysteries for me
same with every class other than voidmancer or such
nooo mysteries

[MrBall]

You did inspire me to do the math on the Power armor Vs Jester set and Jesters is SLIGHTLY better (1.2x) not counting its slightly better enchants as well... guess i'll have to get those to legendary