beginner level: why so hard to get necromancer? even worth it? what am i doing wrong...

[purpleskies8]

seems really easy to become demonologist or druid early game but getting 300 (currently at 180) grimoires seems like such a chore now instead of just buying sources upgrades etc. gradually. should i just go for another class (also which of the two), progress normally and once its easy to get the other grimoires, change classes again via exile (don't understand exile yet since i haven't done it)?
here a screencap of my current state: https://imgur.com/hawuiZK
sry for some typos...thanks in advance

[Jey]

I... I mean...
Yes it's hard to be Necromancer on the first run... But... It's not meant to be?
That's as if you said "Damn, this Heretic is out of reach on my first run! Am I doing something wrong?".
No, you're not, it's just... It's just not intended for the first run.

For your first run, you should use Druid. Actually, Demonologist and Necromancer are both relatively weak on early mysteries (Someone even pointed that they were weaker than Apprentice itself, although it can be argued that he might not have tried very hard).
I advise to unlock Demo and Necromancer, more to learn about them than to really make profits. (They CAN earn mysteries, it's just... too slow in comparison to Druid/Arcanist/Prodigy and Voidmancer later)

Exile is the "soft reset" or "prestige" function of this game.
You exile (i.e reset basically everything), you earn an item (mysteries) in a certain quantity depending on your total mana, and you gain a boost.

If you want more information (When to exile? How to play with a class?), you can check my guide (here : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1653459516), or the wiki.

[archmag]

You can switch from Apprentice only to one class during a run (at least until much much later), so when you already unlocked ability to switch to Druid or Demonologist there is no reason to wait for later class. Play with them, exile to increase the speed of your progress and then in later runs unlock other classes. You will need to do ~100 runs before you unlock all tier 1 classes.

[purpleskies8]

what do u mean with runs? like the game goes forever or?

[Jey]

Yes, of course, it goes forever.

[purpleskies8]

so run means game time till u hit exile then when u return from exile a new run starts? also thx iffu for the extensive guide

[archmag]

Originally posted by purpleskies8:

what do u mean with runs? like the game goes forever or?

Like in most idle games you can soft reset to start from the very beginning but keep some part of your progress and gain some resource that increases the speed of consecutive runs. In this game when you exile you lose your current mana, all mana sources, void mana, some stats like amount of spells cast and you revert back to Apprentice class. You gain mysteries that increase your income. You keep achievements, items, attributes, amount of persistent spell casts, crafting and enchanting resources, unlocked challenge bonuses, some other things.

How long the game lasts you can define for yourself. You can stop after just one run, when you can't progress anymore and decide that this is the end of the game and not do the exile. But intended way to play the game is to do many exiles, gathering more mysteries with each one allowing you to progress further than before. You will progress in paragon levels and unlock many new interesting things and mechanics.

There are many achievements to unlock, so you can define the end of the game as when you unlock the last achievement, or you can try to reach last paragon level, or you can stop and play it again with new patch when new things get released or you can just stop playing whenever you get bored with it. There is no clear defined end of the game which tells you that you won and new updates add new things to do in late game, so you can say that game does goes forever.

Originally posted by purpleskies8:

so run means game time till u hit exile then when u return from exile a new run starts?

Yes, that was what I called a run. You start as Apprentice, buy sources, switch to another class, buy upgrades, do other things, when everything slows down and you gather enough mysteries you click Exile and do all this again, but this time faster and a little further.

[purpleskies8]

ah ok i mean i just wanted to become a necromancer cause i like necromancers and exiling means i lose all my grimoires...but do the mysteries boost my mana extremly so its actually beneficial to become a necromancer quicker?

[Jey]

Yes

[purpleskies8]

then i ever go druid or exile now since i have played already for a bunch of days

[Jey]

If you have enough mysteries (100k), you can exile now. Otherwise, Druid.

[purpleskies8]

i have 89.0

[archmag]

It is always worth switching to better class from Apprentice even after long run. Other classes have several unique upgrades that increase income so you will get a lot of extra mysteries even after playing few more minutes as that class. You don't lose anything when switching to advanced class, so do it at least to try it out. Well, you lose some spells that are available only to Apprentice, but you get better ones instead.

Originally posted by purpleskies8:

i have 89.0

Early mysteries give 2% extra income each. So this amount means that your next run will be only 3 times faster than before. You can gain a lot more during first run, Iffu suggests at least 100k because it is easy to get during first run, but even just 1k will increase your income during next run 20 times which will be much more noticable.

[purpleskies8]

ok ill grind till 10k atleast but of course 100k would be dope Thanks both of u for all the advise, im getting the point of the game slowly now

[ovni.demon]

If you want you can go to the prodigy in one run, somebody already did that: https://www.kongregate.com/forums/727203-idle-wizard/topics/686616-prodigy-in-1-run

[purpleskies8]

hmm interesting thanks for that guide