Need some help with Shaman

[Vaheteiole]

I looked at guides on wiki, but they don't really suit my playing style. I usually ran this game in background of some other game and i don't want to switch. So, looking so suggestions on running Shaman idle style.

Items:
I have full set of legendary Ancient Bones, epic resonator ring, rugged wristcoat and 3 items from Blessing of the Forest (also legendary). Legendary Accumulator for weapon.

Stats:
Intelligence, dominance and patience - 200. Mastery and empathy - 75. Spellcraft - 50 and insight - 25.

Spells:
Ritual of potency, ritual of power, unholy avatar, evergrowing forest, spider swarm and dreaded script.

So, any suggestions? Maybe weapon switch? I thought about using bat one and using free spell scroll for something else.

[Jey]

I have no idea what you're doing.
Why would you have 50 spellcraft? why 200 int but only 75 mastery?
Why the two rituals? What in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell are you doing?
Is your goal to have the less effective possible Shaman?

The guides on the wiki do not require active playstyle, they at most need you to look at the game once in a while to burst.

[Vaheteiole]

Originally posted by Iffu:

I have no idea what you're doing.
Why would you have 50 spellcraft? why 200 int but only 75 mastery?
Why the two rituals? What in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell are you doing?
Is your goal to have the less effective possible Shaman?

The guides on the wiki do not require active playstyle, they at most need you to look at the game once in a while to burst.

This is why i rarely ask for help from gamers. You are acting like i killed and ate you whole family. And all that over a game mistake.

Most of my stats are left from necromancer and they obviously got my this far.

[Whitey]

Yeah, that kind of toxicity is harmful to a game's rep. People need to stop answering questions as if the person asking the question shouldn't have asked the question. Not everything is explained or obvious. And with so many mechanics going on it's hard to keep track of everything.

[Jey]

You're being oversensitive.
I don't understand what you do, why you do it, and why you can't follow the (very detailed) guides on the wiki.
You only said "I want to play Shaman idle style" and "The guides don't conform with my playstyle", but I don't know what exactly is the issue with the guides, since they ARE idle.

[FrankTheUnicornSlayer]

Try Deepwood Stalker and Centipede Swarm instead of the two rituals.

Also, building up autoclicks for the summoning efficiency bonus from the character ability, because you'd have 5 summoning spells. High e6 autoclicks will probably show much benefit, which takes 12 hours or so if you're using lots and lots of autoclick spells. Autoclick benefit starts capping out about 7e7.

The batstick is fairly good for shaman with all the waiting around you'll do, and it also buffs a certain offhand item too. The druid weapon is better--just got it legendary myself--but less all-purpose in case you want to try another class some other time.

For void mana, it's really really best to switch pets around to get the voidterror... like an e10 mana difference between that and using void radiance. It doesn't matter that you're losing levels/time on the risen giant with that kind of difference.

Spellcraft isn't very important for shaman, unless you're trying to equip specific items for specific purposes (which you can ask about :) ). In your case, consider putting the attribute points into insight (for the voidterror) or into mastery.

Also, consider investing dust into the bite sleeves--at legendary they give 75 empathy so you can put those points elsewhere. ;)

[Vaheteiole]

Originally posted by FrankTheUnicornSlayer:

Try Deepwood Stalker and Centipede Swarm instead of the two rituals.

Stalker is good, thanks. I thought Centipede Swarm increases only manual clicks, but apparently it works for both.

Originally posted by FrankTheUnicornSlayer:

Also, building up autoclicks for the summoning efficiency bonus from the character ability, because you'd have 5 summoning spells. High e6 autoclicks will probably show much benefit, which takes 12 hours or so if you're using lots and lots of autoclick spells. Autoclick benefit starts capping out about 7e7.

The batstick is fairly good for shaman with all the waiting around you'll do, and it also buffs a certain offhand item too. The druid weapon is better--just got it legendary myself--but less all-purpose in case you want to try another class some other time.

I'll go with batstick then.

Originally posted by FrankTheUnicornSlayer:

For void mana, it's really really best to switch pets around to get the voidterror... like an e10 mana difference between that and using void radiance. It doesn't matter that you're losing levels/time on the risen giant with that kind of difference.

Voidterror needs 60 insight. I use lure and autoclicker. It works like a machine gun.

Originally posted by FrankTheUnicornSlayer:

Spellcraft isn't very important for shaman, unless you're trying to equip specific items for specific purposes (which you can ask about :) ). In your case, consider putting the attribute points into insight (for the voidterror) or into mastery.

I used it for 15% improvement incantation. Necromancer used 4 such spells. I got rid of it now.

Originally posted by FrankTheUnicornSlayer:

Also, consider investing dust into the bite sleeves--at legendary they give 75 empathy so you can put those points elsewhere. ;)

I am using rugged wristcoats for this reason.

[Jey]

Originally posted by Vaheteiole:

Stalker is good, thanks. I thought Centipede Swarm increases only manual clicks, but apparently it works for both.

Autoclicks profits are manual clicks profit + specifics modifiers, so increasing manual click profit increases in turn autoclick profits.

Voidterror needs 60 insight. I use lure and autoclicker. It works like a machine gun.:lunar2019coolpig:

No. Void Radiance is at least e3 stronger than void lure + automaton (so, e1-e2 better than autoclicker). VT is even stronger than void radiance (by a HUGE amount, especially since there is so much strong pet AP enchant compared to small incan enchants and few VpE enchants).
If you want decent profits, you'll have to use VT.

I am using rugged wristcoats for this reason.:cozyspaceengineersc:

Bite Sleeves gives 75 AP (10 more than wristcoat)+ 100% pet AP.
If you use VT + RG (as you should, to get decent profits), it's way better than wristcoat.
Although you obviously want Bite Sleeves for VT's void mana and Nomadic Wrists for burst. But if you can have only one, Bite Sleeves is better.

[FrankTheUnicornSlayer]

I would like to point out that you totally can get Voidterror with just 50 insight: Just switch to Legacy boots temporarily for a +40 insight bonus. You could even hypothetically get it with just 30 base insight if you have legendary netherfist, which would give +20 insight, which you could then use to equip the Legacy boots.

[Vaheteiole]

Originally posted by Iffu:

Originally posted by Vaheteiole:

Stalker is good, thanks. I thought Centipede Swarm increases only manual clicks, but apparently it works for both.

Autoclicks profits are manual clicks profit + specifics modifiers, so increasing manual click profit increases in turn autoclick profits.

Voidterror needs 60 insight. I use lure and autoclicker. It works like a machine gun.

No. Void Radiance is at least e3 stronger than void lure + automaton (so, e1-e2 better than autoclicker). VT is even stronger than void radiance (by a HUGE amount, especially since there is so much strong pet AP enchant compared to small incan enchants and few VpE enchants).
If you want decent profits, you'll have to use VT.

I am in the middle of a challenge right now, i'll test it tomorrow. Thanks.

I am using rugged wristcoats for this reason.

Bite Sleeves gives 75 AP (10 more than wristcoat)+ 100% pet AP.
If you use VT + RG (as you should, to get decent profits), it's way better than wristcoat.
Although you obviously want Bite Sleeves for VT's void mana and Nomadic Wrists for burst. But if you can have only one, Bite Sleeves is better.

Ok, i just finished upgrading resonator ring, so Bite Sleeves will be next thing.

Originally posted by FrankTheUnicornSlayer:

I would like to point out that you totally can get Voidterror with just 50 insight: Just switch to Legacy boots temporarily for a +40 insight bonus. You could even hypothetically get it with just 30 base insight if you have legendary netherfist, which would give +20 insight, which you could then use to equip the Legacy boots.

I have about 5 points in insight and my Nether fist is rare. I'll need to upgrade Bat stick and Bite Sleeves first. Maybe i'll have some stat points to spare too then.
Thanks for advice.