ray reconstruction = -50% fps

[We know]

how is this possible?
can you please try to patch it?
i'm on a 3080, maybe my ai power is too low or something

[Ichi-niiPL]

That's preety much normal. Ray Reconstruction works below 40xx series but the performance hit is preety big with 30xx and unplayable on 20xx. Just play without it.

This is not game thing, it's nVidia's thing.

[Stonehand]

I am really sorry to inform players of the following information; it makes me sad to have to tell you things like this.

You just simply cannot expect to keep running the same hardware forever. The 30xx series video cards are pretty old and obsolete these days. A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.

The industry moves forward. Components keep moving toward the future. Games and software keep pushing new updates to try and keep up with the hardware.

If you have a computer, laptop, or device that is game-capable, you need to understand that you have invested in "the computer industry." You are now a part of it. It keeps moving forward. If you don't keep up with it, the fault is your own.

Ouch. That sounds pretty heartless. I don't really mean it to sound that way. But it is a fact that your hardware trends toward obsolescence immediately after you buy it or build it. Two years ago, just shortly after the release of the 40 series GPUs and the introduction of PCIe5 (if you don't know what that is, you have some homework you need to do), I decided that the new platform was too volatile for the average computer consumer, so I made the decision to let PCIe5 simmer on the back burner until everyone works out all of the bugs and manages to get all that fancy new hardware working harmoniously together.

Ie, I was not going to leap into PCIe5 just yet. I had done my homework, and PCIe5 was alive and well, but it was causing more problems than it resolved. And at that time, there was STILL not ANY video card made specifically to perform as part of a PCIe5 platform. All of the 40 series cards were PCIe4 - for the previous generation.

So I decided to build a brand new, high-end PCIe4 machine. It was GLORIOUS! It had a very nice motherboard (AM5), an AMD 5900X 12-core/24-thread processor, 64 Gigs of DDR4 3600Mhz RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition GPU with 24 Gigs of GDDR6 VRAM.

And that beast could play ANY game on the market at ULTRA settings without even working up a sweat!

But that was two years ago, and this is a new day. I knew my 'beast' would be diminished over time because I've been buying or building my own computers since the early 1980's. PCIe4's day is coming to an end. Oh, don't panic; that doesn't happen overnight. But bear it in mind. Old hardware just has this natural way of growing more and more obsolete with every passing month and every passing year.

I've started my new system: PCIe5 from the top of its head to the bottom of its toes. The motherboard is PCIe5, the CPU is PCIe5, the RAM is PCIe5, and the video card is PCIe5 (50 series RTX 5090). Even the drives are state of the art: all of them M.2 cards: 3 that are PCIe5, and two more that are PCIe4.

It HAS to be done if you want to run high end triple AAA titles at very high settings. Keep that in mind. That's how the whole industry works, including the games. Everything continuously moves forward - it has been doing that for fifty years and I don't see it doing anything but speeding up.

If you are expecting your old hardware to keep going, you need to adjust your thinking. Or accept the horrible thought that you are going to have to expect less and less from that old machine, until one day you find yourself giving the eulogy for that poor old, dead thing you are about to bury.

We are born, we grow up, we live a natural lifetime (hopefully) and then we die. It's the same for your computer. Sometime, the poor old thing is just going to give up the ghost and drop dead! That's why we have kittens and puppies and newborn babies, and brand new, shiny, next-gen computers: to replace that which has gone before.

[giuseppe.gambino92]

Originally posted by Stonehand:

I am really sorry to inform players of the following information; it makes me sad to have to tell you things like this.

You just simply cannot expect to keep running the same hardware forever. The 30xx series video cards are pretty old and obsolete these days. A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.

The industry moves forward. Components keep moving toward the future. Games and software keep pushing new updates to try and keep up with the hardware.

If you have a computer, laptop, or device that is game-capable, you need to understand that you have invested in "the computer industry." You are now a part of it. It keeps moving forward. If you don't keep up with it, the fault is your own.

Ouch. That sounds pretty heartless. I don't really mean it to sound that way. But it is a fact that your hardware trends toward obsolescence immediately after you buy it or build it. Two years ago, just shortly after the release of the 40 series GPUs and the introduction of PCIe5 (if you don't know what that is, you have some homework you need to do), I decided that the new platform was too volatile for the average computer consumer, so I made the decision to let PCIe5 simmer on the back burner until everyone works out all of the bugs and manages to get all that fancy new hardware working harmoniously together.

Ie, I was not going to leap into PCIe5 just yet. I had done my homework, and PCIe5 was alive and well, but it was causing more problems than it resolved. And at that time, there was STILL not ANY video card made specifically to perform as part of a PCIe5 platform. All of the 40 series cards were PCIe4 - for the previous generation.

So I decided to build a brand new, high-end PCIe4 machine. It was GLORIOUS! It had a very nice motherboard (AM5), an AMD 5900X 12-core/24-thread processor, 64 Gigs of DDR4 3600Mhz RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition GPU with 24 Gigs of GDDR6 VRAM.

And that beast could play ANY game on the market at ULTRA settings without even working up a sweat!

But that was two years ago, and this is a new day. I knew my 'beast' would be diminished over time because I've been buying or building my own computers since the early 1980's. PCIe4's day is coming to an end. Oh, don't panic; that doesn't happen overnight. But bear it in mind. Old hardware just has this natural way of growing more and more obsolete with every passing month and every passing year.

I've started my new system: PCIe5 from the top of its head to the bottom of its toes. The motherboard is PCIe5, the CPU is PCIe5, the RAM is PCIe5, and the video card is PCIe5 (50 series RTX 5090). Even the drives are state of the art: all of them M.2 cards: 3 that are PCIe5, and two more that are PCIe4.

It HAS to be done if you want to run high end triple AAA titles at very high settings. Keep that in mind. That's how the whole industry works, including the games. Everything continuously moves forward - it has been doing that for fifty years and I don't see it doing anything but speeding up.

If you are expecting your old hardware to keep going, you need to adjust your thinking. Or accept the horrible thought that you are going to have to expect less and less from that old machine, until one day you find yourself giving the eulogy for that poor old, dead thing you are about to bury.

We are born, we grow up, we live a natural lifetime (hopefully) and then we die. It's the same for your computer. Sometime, the poor old thing is just going to give up the ghost and drop dead! That's why we have kittens and puppies and newborn babies, and brand new, shiny, next-gen computers: to replace that which has gone before.

i have a 5090 Founder Edition, but my FPS with RT + DLSS Quality is 35-40 in Hogsmeade, and inside Hogwarts I have 40-70fps. It is a terrible experience, with last generation.

[Zach]

Originally posted by Stonehand:

A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.

Nah. The 5080 is literally on par with a 4080 super, the 5070 is worse than the 4070 super, and the 5090 is just a 4090 TI. The only thing you can praise the 50 series for is the x4 FG, but even then, who cares?

[Praxis Abraxis]

Originally posted by Stonehand:

I am really sorry to inform players of the following information; it makes me sad to have to tell you things like this.

You just simply cannot expect to keep running the same hardware forever. The 30xx series video cards are pretty old and obsolete these days. A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.

The industry moves forward. Components keep moving toward the future. Games and software keep pushing new updates to try and keep up with the hardware.

If you have a computer, laptop, or device that is game-capable, you need to understand that you have invested in "the computer industry." You are now a part of it. It keeps moving forward. If you don't keep up with it, the fault is your own.

Ouch. That sounds pretty heartless. I don't really mean it to sound that way. But it is a fact that your hardware trends toward obsolescence immediately after you buy it or build it. Two years ago, just shortly after the release of the 40 series GPUs and the introduction of PCIe5 (if you don't know what that is, you have some homework you need to do), I decided that the new platform was too volatile for the average computer consumer, so I made the decision to let PCIe5 simmer on the back burner until everyone works out all of the bugs and manages to get all that fancy new hardware working harmoniously together.

Ie, I was not going to leap into PCIe5 just yet. I had done my homework, and PCIe5 was alive and well, but it was causing more problems than it resolved. And at that time, there was STILL not ANY video card made specifically to perform as part of a PCIe5 platform. All of the 40 series cards were PCIe4 - for the previous generation.

So I decided to build a brand new, high-end PCIe4 machine. It was GLORIOUS! It had a very nice motherboard (AM5), an AMD 5900X 12-core/24-thread processor, 64 Gigs of DDR4 3600Mhz RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition GPU with 24 Gigs of GDDR6 VRAM.

And that beast could play ANY game on the market at ULTRA settings without even working up a sweat!

But that was two years ago, and this is a new day. I knew my 'beast' would be diminished over time because I've been buying or building my own computers since the early 1980's. PCIe4's day is coming to an end. Oh, don't panic; that doesn't happen overnight. But bear it in mind. Old hardware just has this natural way of growing more and more obsolete with every passing month and every passing year.

I've started my new system: PCIe5 from the top of its head to the bottom of its toes. The motherboard is PCIe5, the CPU is PCIe5, the RAM is PCIe5, and the video card is PCIe5 (50 series RTX 5090). Even the drives are state of the art: all of them M.2 cards: 3 that are PCIe5, and two more that are PCIe4.

It HAS to be done if you want to run high end triple AAA titles at very high settings. Keep that in mind. That's how the whole industry works, including the games. Everything continuously moves forward - it has been doing that for fifty years and I don't see it doing anything but speeding up.

If you are expecting your old hardware to keep going, you need to adjust your thinking. Or accept the horrible thought that you are going to have to expect less and less from that old machine, until one day you find yourself giving the eulogy for that poor old, dead thing you are about to bury.

We are born, we grow up, we live a natural lifetime (hopefully) and then we die. It's the same for your computer. Sometime, the poor old thing is just going to give up the ghost and drop dead! That's why we have kittens and puppies and newborn babies, and brand new, shiny, next-gen computers: to replace that which has gone before.

... uhg.

[Chakes]

Originally posted by Stonehand:

I am really sorry to inform players of the following information; it makes me sad to have to tell you things like this.

You just simply cannot expect to keep running the same hardware forever. The 30xx series video cards are pretty old and obsolete these days. A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.

The industry moves forward. Components keep moving toward the future. Games and software keep pushing new updates to try and keep up with the hardware.

If you have a computer, laptop, or device that is game-capable, you need to understand that you have invested in "the computer industry." You are now a part of it. It keeps moving forward. If you don't keep up with it, the fault is your own.

Ouch. That sounds pretty heartless. I don't really mean it to sound that way. But it is a fact that your hardware trends toward obsolescence immediately after you buy it or build it. Two years ago, just shortly after the release of the 40 series GPUs and the introduction of PCIe5 (if you don't know what that is, you have some homework you need to do), I decided that the new platform was too volatile for the average computer consumer, so I made the decision to let PCIe5 simmer on the back burner until everyone works out all of the bugs and manages to get all that fancy new hardware working harmoniously together.

Ie, I was not going to leap into PCIe5 just yet. I had done my homework, and PCIe5 was alive and well, but it was causing more problems than it resolved. And at that time, there was STILL not ANY video card made specifically to perform as part of a PCIe5 platform. All of the 40 series cards were PCIe4 - for the previous generation.

So I decided to build a brand new, high-end PCIe4 machine. It was GLORIOUS! It had a very nice motherboard (AM5), an AMD 5900X 12-core/24-thread processor, 64 Gigs of DDR4 3600Mhz RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition GPU with 24 Gigs of GDDR6 VRAM.

And that beast could play ANY game on the market at ULTRA settings without even working up a sweat!

But that was two years ago, and this is a new day. I knew my 'beast' would be diminished over time because I've been buying or building my own computers since the early 1980's. PCIe4's day is coming to an end. Oh, don't panic; that doesn't happen overnight. But bear it in mind. Old hardware just has this natural way of growing more and more obsolete with every passing month and every passing year.

I've started my new system: PCIe5 from the top of its head to the bottom of its toes. The motherboard is PCIe5, the CPU is PCIe5, the RAM is PCIe5, and the video card is PCIe5 (50 series RTX 5090). Even the drives are state of the art: all of them M.2 cards: 3 that are PCIe5, and two more that are PCIe4.

It HAS to be done if you want to run high end triple AAA titles at very high settings. Keep that in mind. That's how the whole industry works, including the games. Everything continuously moves forward - it has been doing that for fifty years and I don't see it doing anything but speeding up.

If you are expecting your old hardware to keep going, you need to adjust your thinking. Or accept the horrible thought that you are going to have to expect less and less from that old machine, until one day you find yourself giving the eulogy for that poor old, dead thing you are about to bury.

We are born, we grow up, we live a natural lifetime (hopefully) and then we die. It's the same for your computer. Sometime, the poor old thing is just going to give up the ghost and drop dead! That's why we have kittens and puppies and newborn babies, and brand new, shiny, next-gen computers: to replace that which has gone before.

I haven't read through all that yapping but enough to see that you think the PCIe generation matters for gaming performance which on its own shows you have absolutely no clue what matters when it comes to performance.

[stokz treeface]

im running a 1080ti, at 2560/30, with rtao at ultra............... only turned down the sky, draw distance and npc complexity. ultra everything else.

turning off rtao and a 1080ti is a rock solid 60fps.

Other games let me do 4k30... but i'm getting the impression hogwarts legacy using some screen space effects which aren't included in resolution scaling.??? it doesn't like 4k at all on the 1080.

Also this is using the prior patch, not the walled garden patch.

[Shingen]

Originally posted by Ichi-niiPL:

That's preety much normal. Ray Reconstruction works below 40xx series but the performance hit is preety big with 30xx and unplayable on 20xx. Just play without it.

This is not game thing, it's nVidia's thing.

I just redownloaded the game because of how poor performance i was getting on i5-9600K and 3080 just to see this discussion. Perhaps i didn't see that setting. I will try it out.

[[B O Y Z]shadACII]

Its a game issue, just disable Ray Reconstruction. My 2080ti tanks even more with RR (around 60%), but even 4090 owners have an impact of 20%-40% when using RR. It looks better yes, but not that much better. RR was not an issue to run before the update btw.

[Miyagi]

Ray reconstruction is very performance intensive but is probably the single most important setting for RT to actually look good. Basically I wouldn't bother using RT unless your GPU can also handle ray reconstruction.

[[MDE] DeeWox]

Originally posted by Stonehand:

You just simply cannot expect to keep running the same hardware forever. The 30xx series video cards are pretty old and obsolete these days. A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.


I've started my new system: PCIe5 from the top of its head to the bottom of its toes. The motherboard is PCIe5, the CPU is PCIe5, the RAM is PCIe5, and the video card is PCIe5 (50 series RTX 5090). Even the drives are state of the art: all of them M.2 cards: 3 that are PCIe5, and two more that are PCIe4.

Troll.

[Raze]

Originally posted by Stonehand:

I am really sorry to inform players of the following information; it makes me sad to have to tell you things like this.

You just simply cannot expect to keep running the same hardware forever. The 30xx series video cards are pretty old and obsolete these days. A 40 series card is MUCH more powerful, and the 50 series cards totally blow the 40 series out of the water.

The industry moves forward. Components keep moving toward the future. Games and software keep pushing new updates to try and keep up with the hardware.

If you have a computer, laptop, or device that is game-capable, you need to understand that you have invested in "the computer industry." You are now a part of it. It keeps moving forward. If you don't keep up with it, the fault is your own.

Ouch. That sounds pretty heartless. I don't really mean it to sound that way. But it is a fact that your hardware trends toward obsolescence immediately after you buy it or build it. Two years ago, just shortly after the release of the 40 series GPUs and the introduction of PCIe5 (if you don't know what that is, you have some homework you need to do), I decided that the new platform was too volatile for the average computer consumer, so I made the decision to let PCIe5 simmer on the back burner until everyone works out all of the bugs and manages to get all that fancy new hardware working harmoniously together.

Ie, I was not going to leap into PCIe5 just yet. I had done my homework, and PCIe5 was alive and well, but it was causing more problems than it resolved. And at that time, there was STILL not ANY video card made specifically to perform as part of a PCIe5 platform. All of the 40 series cards were PCIe4 - for the previous generation.

So I decided to build a brand new, high-end PCIe4 machine. It was GLORIOUS! It had a very nice motherboard (AM5), an AMD 5900X 12-core/24-thread processor, 64 Gigs of DDR4 3600Mhz RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition GPU with 24 Gigs of GDDR6 VRAM.

And that beast could play ANY game on the market at ULTRA settings without even working up a sweat!

But that was two years ago, and this is a new day. I knew my 'beast' would be diminished over time because I've been buying or building my own computers since the early 1980's. PCIe4's day is coming to an end. Oh, don't panic; that doesn't happen overnight. But bear it in mind. Old hardware just has this natural way of growing more and more obsolete with every passing month and every passing year.

I've started my new system: PCIe5 from the top of its head to the bottom of its toes. The motherboard is PCIe5, the CPU is PCIe5, the RAM is PCIe5, and the video card is PCIe5 (50 series RTX 5090). Even the drives are state of the art: all of them M.2 cards: 3 that are PCIe5, and two more that are PCIe4.

It HAS to be done if you want to run high end triple AAA titles at very high settings. Keep that in mind. That's how the whole industry works, including the games. Everything continuously moves forward - it has been doing that for fifty years and I don't see it doing anything but speeding up.

If you are expecting your old hardware to keep going, you need to adjust your thinking. Or accept the horrible thought that you are going to have to expect less and less from that old machine, until one day you find yourself giving the eulogy for that poor old, dead thing you are about to bury.

We are born, we grow up, we live a natural lifetime (hopefully) and then we die. It's the same for your computer. Sometime, the poor old thing is just going to give up the ghost and drop dead! That's why we have kittens and puppies and newborn babies, and brand new, shiny, next-gen computers: to replace that which has gone before.

I agree with most of what you said, but saying that the RTX 3000 series is "pretty much obsolete these days" is a false statement. I run Cyberpunk 2077 on Ultra with ray tracing on Ultra at 1440p with a 3080 Ti at 60+ fps. That series is not obsolete. The 3000 series only starts to struggle on the few games that allow you to crank ray tracing to the extreme, or have path tracing.

Ultimately it comes down to what your needs are. If I want to play Cyberpunk 2077 with Path tracing on, then yeah, my old busted ass rig can't handle it.

[Shingen]

Originally posted by Raze:

I agree with most of what you said, but saying that the RTX 3000 series is "pretty much obsolete these days" is a false statement. I run Cyberpunk 2077 on Ultra with ray tracing on Ultra at 1440p with a 3080 Ti at 60+ fps. That series is not obsolete. The 3000 series only starts to struggle on the few games that allow you to crank ray tracing to the extreme, or have path tracing.

Ultimately it comes down to what your needs are.

Its not us, it's not 3000 series, it's UE5