Hogwarts Legacy

Hogwarts Legacy

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misshvparker Dec 18, 2022 @ 6:55am
Gaming laptop
Hi sorry i dont know much about computers but i have a new Aus gaming Tuf F15 laptop. says.. Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10300H CPU @ 2.50GHz, 2496 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s) windows 11. Nvidia Geforce Gtx 1650.

Basically this https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-tuf-dash-f15-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-gtx-1650-512-gb-ssd-10223261.html

Will i be able to play ok? Sorry know there loads of these questions

Thank you
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Blackdragon Dec 18, 2022 @ 7:38am 
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No, "gaming laptop" is an oxymoron to begin with, and yours is outdated, too. GTX 1650? I've got that on my work ultrabook, and I've never considered it suitable for AAA gaming.

Do yourself a favour and buy a decent PC.
Last edited by Blackdragon; Dec 18, 2022 @ 7:38am
patrick68794 Dec 18, 2022 @ 7:49am 
That laptop won't provide an enjoyable experience, and maybe not even a playable one.

If you're completely set on a laptop, and there's nothing wrong with that, you'll want at least an RTX 3060 for the GPU and a more modern CPU, preferably an i7 or Ryzen 7, to provide an enjoyable experience on low/medium settings.
mitoki7 Dec 18, 2022 @ 8:58am 
how about on gtx 1660? lol ugh i need a new graphics dang this game
Blackdragon Dec 18, 2022 @ 9:51am 
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Originally posted by patrick68794:
That laptop won't provide an enjoyable experience, and maybe not even a playable one.

Correct. To be fair, it might be technically playable, but it will be far worse than a decent-specced desktop PC. The 1650 is an entry-level mobile graphics card, it's a rough equivalent to an Nvidia 1060, i.e. dated by three generations at least by now. It will be further hampered by a weak CPU and poor cooling system.

Even the display is a measly 15" 1080p IPS. I've last seriously played on a 15" display in 1990-s, i.e. over 22 years ago. Now my desktop monitor is a 48" OLED 4K 120hz HDR display, which is absolutely in another galaxy. Even my ultrabook has a 4K OLED display.

The Asus TUF lineup is a lower-tier product aimed at gamers who play competitive, undemanding games like CS:GO, where everything is turned down to achieve maximum FPS (and even for that, one version of the TUF is useless because of the 60 hz display). A graphics-intensive game like Hogwarts Legacy would probably require turning visuals way, way down to achieve even barest performance.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
If you're completely set on a laptop, and there's nothing wrong with that

There IS a lot wrong with that. A laptop will never be comparable to a similarly priced desktop in terms of both performance and image quality. Laptops suffer from atrocious cooling and weak power supply, and usually don't even offer highest tier GPUs because they wouldn't be able to support them adequately (and if they do, it's just a marketing trick, because the GPU will be bound by the design and architecture bottlenecks of the laptop).

Furthermore, laptop displays are vastly inferior to desktop monitors, firstly because of screen space (again, that 15" diagonal is measly by today's standards), secondly because of matrix quality (both IPS and TN suck for various reasons when compared to modern OLED) and thirdly because of low resolution (since your graphic system won't be able to support 4k gaming, so even if you buy a laptop with a 4k screen you'll likely have to play at 1440p or lower, which will look atrocious because it's not a native resolution).


Originally posted by patrick68794:
you'll want at least an RTX 3060 for the GPU and a more modern CPU, preferably an i7 or Ryzen 7, to provide an enjoyable experience on low/medium settings.

"Enjoyable" experience on "low-medium settings"? You must be joking. Just throw this laptop idea out of the window and buy a good desktop PC. Laptops are for work and travel, that's their only role.
Last edited by Blackdragon; Dec 18, 2022 @ 9:52am
misshvparker Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:33am 
i have a laptop for space (living in a flat) and also i was hit by a car and it damaged my spine so sitting fixed in one position hurts a lot so a laptop allows me so move around more that's all.
thanks for your polite and generous help
patrick68794 Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:35am 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Originally posted by patrick68794:
That laptop won't provide an enjoyable experience, and maybe not even a playable one.

Correct. To be fair, it might be technically playable, but it will be far worse than a decent-specced desktop PC. The 1650 is an entry-level mobile graphics card, it's a rough equivalent to an Nvidia 1060, i.e. dated by three generations at least by now. It will be further hampered by a weak CPU and poor cooling system.

Even the display is a measly 15" 1080p IPS. I've last seriously played on a 15" display in 1990-s, i.e. over 22 years ago. Now my desktop monitor is a 48" OLED 4K 120hz HDR display, which is absolutely in another galaxy. Even my ultrabook has a 4K OLED display.

The Asus TUF lineup is a lower-tier product aimed at gamers who play competitive, undemanding games like CS:GO, where everything is turned down to achieve maximum FPS (and even for that, one version of the TUF is useless because of the 60 hz display). A graphics-intensive game like Hogwarts Legacy would probably require turning visuals way, way down to achieve even barest performance.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
If you're completely set on a laptop, and there's nothing wrong with that

There IS a lot wrong with that. A laptop will never be comparable to a similarly priced desktop in terms of both performance and image quality. Laptops suffer from atrocious cooling and weak power supply, and usually don't even offer highest tier GPUs because they wouldn't be able to support them adequately (and if they do, it's just a marketing trick, because the GPU will be bound by the design and architecture bottlenecks of the laptop).

Furthermore, laptop displays are vastly inferior to desktop monitors, firstly because of screen space (again, that 15" diagonal is measly by today's standards), secondly because of matrix quality (both IPS and TN suck for various reasons when compared to modern OLED) and thirdly because of low resolution (since your graphic system won't be able to support 4k gaming, so even if you buy a laptop with a 4k screen you'll likely have to play at 1440p or lower, which will look atrocious because it's not a native resolution).


Originally posted by patrick68794:
you'll want at least an RTX 3060 for the GPU and a more modern CPU, preferably an i7 or Ryzen 7, to provide an enjoyable experience on low/medium settings.

"Enjoyable" experience on "low-medium settings"? You must be joking. Just throw this laptop idea out of the window and buy a good desktop PC. Laptops are for work and travel, that's their only role.
Laptops can be perfectly fine for playing games on. Nobody cares about your opinion on if they can be or not. If the OP wants to use a laptop to play games on then provide useful advice or don't say anything. Saying "laptops aren't for gaming" isn't useful at all and provides absolutely nothing to the discussion. Especially when you don't actually know what you're talking about to begin with.
Last edited by patrick68794; Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:36am
Blackdragon Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by misshvparker:
i have a laptop for space (living in a flat) and
thanks for your polite and generous help

I live in my flat when working, which doesn't stop me from having a full-sized desktop PC with a huge monitor, VR headset etc. It doesn't take up more space than a normal writing desk with a chair, which you would anyway be using with a laptop.

Originally posted by misshvparker:
also i was hit by a car and it damaged my spine so sitting fixed in one position hurts a lot so a laptop allows me so move around more that's all.

You could use a variable-height gaming table, which would allow you to play standing or sitting at the push of a button. Or, you could simply move your gaming monitor and peripherals, which will weigh less than a "gaming laptop".

Originally posted by misshvparker:
thanks for your polite and generous help

Truth hurts sometimes, and I have answered your question truthfully. You very likely won't get good performance out of that laptop for this particular game, and you shouldn't believe the "gaming laptop" meme/marketing trick.
grimoire Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:46am 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
"Enjoyable" experience on "low-medium settings"? You must be joking. Just throw this laptop idea out of the window and buy a good desktop PC. Laptops are for work and travel, that's their only role.
Uhhhh... I just checked out the Witcher 3 Next Gen update on my laptop, full ray tracing enabled, all Ultra settings, 2560x1440, smooth as butter. Now it was not an inexpensive laptop admittedly. Sometimes one is away from home and would like to check in on one's games. There's definitely a role for a laptop, and if you do need a laptop for some reason, combining purposes for gaming may well make sense. I have a desktop PC also but some of these posts are rather snobbish and trollish.
patrick68794 Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by grimoire:
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
"Enjoyable" experience on "low-medium settings"? You must be joking. Just throw this laptop idea out of the window and buy a good desktop PC. Laptops are for work and travel, that's their only role.
Uhhhh... I just checked out the Witcher 3 Next Gen update on my laptop, full ray tracing enabled, all Ultra settings, 2560x1440, smooth as butter. Now it was not an inexpensive laptop admittedly. Sometimes one is away from home and would like to check in on one's games. There's definitely a role for a laptop, and if you do need a laptop for some reason, combining purposes for gaming may well make sense. I have a desktop PC also but some of these posts are rather snobbish and trollish.
Yeah, high end gaming laptops can play the newest AAA games perfectly fine lol they can even play most of them at 4K 60fps on ultra/max settings even. The laptop 3080ti is about as fast as a desktop 3070.
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patrick68794 Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:55am 
Originally posted by misshvparker:
i have a laptop for space (living in a flat) and also i was hit by a car and it damaged my spine so sitting fixed in one position hurts a lot so a laptop allows me so move around more that's all.
thanks for your polite and generous help
Something along the lines of this laptop should provide a pretty decent experience for a laptop that isn't terribly expensive: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/acer-nitro-5-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-rtx-3060-512-gb-ssd-10238558.html

Unfortunately that's probably about the price you'll have to pay for a laptop that won't struggle to run this game at 1080p. Don't listen to anyone that says you can't play games well on a laptop though, you absolutely can
Last edited by patrick68794; Dec 18, 2022 @ 10:55am
Blackdragon Dec 18, 2022 @ 11:22am 
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Originally posted by patrick68794:
Laptops can be perfectly fine for playing games on.

There is a ton wrong with that sentence already. Some laptops may be fine for playing some games on certain settings, but that doesn't mean they are generally a good choice for a gaming machine. For a given price, the laptop will always lose out to the desktop, and the best desktops will always outperform the best laptops by a huge margin.

For this particular game, which is clearly pretty intensive in terms of visuals, the TUF 15 laptop will likely not provide good performance. It will probably require a lot of fiddling and turning settings down to even run at acceptable fps. You can forget about 4k, 120+ fps or HDR, which are the de-facto standards for current gen gameplay. You will also be limited to a tiny 15" display with an inferior matrix.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Nobody cares about your opinion on if they can be or not.

The OP literally asked for our opinions.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
If the OP wants to use a laptop to play games on then provide useful advice or don't say anything.

The OP literally asked whether playing this game on that laptop was a good idea. The advice not to use laptops as gaming machines is eminently useful in my view, it will save money and provide a more enjoyable gaming experience in the long term.

An alternative would be to suggest to the OP to sell that laptop and buy a new "gaming laptop" which will cost 3-4 times as much... and still provide worse performance than a cheaper desktop PC.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Saying "laptops aren't for gaming" isn't useful at all and provides absolutely nothing to the discussion.

It is perfectly useful, especially for people who "don't know much about computers" like the OP. Despite all the marketing, laptops are by definition inferior to desktops for gaming, due to their fundamental architectural limitations, not to mention higher price. So the best solution is not to fall for the meme in the first place, and buy a decent gaming desktop PC instead of an expensive and inferior "gaming laptop".

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Especially when you don't actually know what you're talking about to begin with.

Dude, I've been gaming for over 30 years. I first started on a 286 PC, and now own a complete ASUS ROG desktop set with a Strix 3090. Over the years I've had four different laptops, my current is an HP Spectre x360 i7-750H with 16 GB RAM and NVidia GTX 1650 Ti discrete graphics card with 4 GB VRAM. By all specs, it is better than the OP's TUF 15 laptop. However, I do not run graphics intensive games on the ultrabook for the simple reason, even this expensive device is leagues and bounds behind my desktop pc. It has a 4k screen, but can't really run visually intensive games at 4k.

Don't take my word for it. Here's an unbiased review of the TUF 15 1650GTX:
https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/asus-tuf-gaming-f15-review

As you can see, even back then, several years ago, it could only run less than half of 1000 top PC titles. Hogwarts Legacy is a 2023 graphically intensive game. Chances are high that it will not run well, or perhaps at all, on this laptop.

I don't like it when people are deceived when it comes to price/performance ratios of products or services. The "gaming laptop" idea can work in two cases: a) you are a gamer who plays only low-demand games (like CS:GO) which do not tax the machine; b) you pay through the nose for a top-notch "gaming laptop" just so you can play most games at mediocre settings, but never at the same level as a cheaper desktop PC. The OP's case is neither of those: the laptop in question is a dated mid-range affair, and the game in question is an AAA (?) title with very intensive graphics and probably bad optimisation (to be expected from a multi-platform release).

So the answer to the OP's question is a) "probably not", and b) "you should look into desktop PCs instead of buying into the gaming laptop meme".
Karumati Dec 18, 2022 @ 11:35am 
Console will be better than a laptop with 1650 which is below even minimum specs.
patrick68794 Dec 18, 2022 @ 11:37am 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Originally posted by patrick68794:
Laptops can be perfectly fine for playing games on.

There is a ton wrong with that sentence already. Some laptops may be fine for playing some games on certain settings, but that doesn't mean they are generally a good choice for a gaming machine. For a given price, the laptop will always lose out to the desktop, and the best desktops will always outperform the best laptops by a huge margin.

For this particular game, which is clearly pretty intensive in terms of visuals, the TUF 15 laptop will likely not provide good performance. It will probably require a lot of fiddling and turning settings down to even run at acceptable fps. You can forget about 4k, 120+ fps or HDR, which are the de-facto standards for current gen gameplay. You will also be limited to a tiny 15" display with an inferior matrix.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Nobody cares about your opinion on if they can be or not.

The OP literally asked for our opinions.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
If the OP wants to use a laptop to play games on then provide useful advice or don't say anything.

The OP literally asked whether playing this game on that laptop was a good idea. The advice not to use laptops as gaming machines is eminently useful in my view, it will save money and provide a more enjoyable gaming experience in the long term.

An alternative would be to suggest to the OP to sell that laptop and buy a new "gaming laptop" which will cost 3-4 times as much... and still provide worse performance than a cheaper desktop PC.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Saying "laptops aren't for gaming" isn't useful at all and provides absolutely nothing to the discussion.

It is perfectly useful, especially for people who "don't know much about computers" like the OP. Despite all the marketing, laptops are by definition inferior to desktops for gaming, due to their fundamental architectural limitations, not to mention higher price. So the best solution is not to fall for the meme in the first place, and buy a decent gaming desktop PC instead of an expensive and inferior "gaming laptop".

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Especially when you don't actually know what you're talking about to begin with.

Dude, I've been gaming for over 30 years. I first started on a 286 PC, and now own a complete ASUS ROG desktop set with a Strix 3090. Over the years I've had four different laptops, my current is an HP Spectre x360 i7-750H with 16 GB RAM and NVidia GTX 1650 Ti discrete graphics card with 4 GB VRAM. By all specs, it is better than the OP's TUF 15 laptop. However, I do not run graphics intensive games on the ultrabook for the simple reason, even this expensive device is leagues and bounds behind my desktop pc. It has a 4k screen, but can't really run visually intensive games at 4k.

Don't take my word for it. Here's an unbiased review of the TUF 15 1650GTX:
https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/asus-tuf-gaming-f15-review

As you can see, even back then, several years ago, it could only run less than half of 1000 top PC titles. Hogwarts Legacy is a 2023 graphically intensive game. Chances are high that it will not run well, or perhaps at all, on this laptop.

I don't like it when people are deceived when it comes to price/performance ratios of products or services. The "gaming laptop" idea can work in two cases: a) you are a gamer who plays only low-demand games (like CS:GO) which do not tax the machine; b) you pay through the nose for a top-notch "gaming laptop" just so you can play most games at mediocre settings, but never at the same level as a cheaper desktop PC. The OP's case is neither of those: the laptop in question is a dated mid-range affair, and the game in question is an AAA (?) title with very intensive graphics and probably bad optimisation (to be expected from a multi-platform release).

So the answer to the OP's question is a) "probably not", and b) "you should look into desktop PCs instead of buying into the gaming laptop meme".
Don't talk about things you don't know anything about and again, if you're not going to give helpful advice don't bother saying anything at all
Blackdragon Dec 18, 2022 @ 11:42am 
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Originally posted by patrick68794:
Yeah, high end gaming laptops
"High end gaming laptop" is not what the OP has. The OP's laptop is an i5 with 8 GB RAM and a 1650 graphics card. Which will likely be too slow to run Hogwarts Legacy well. It very barely fits the official minimum requirements (8 GB RAM + NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070), but will probably require turning everything down to Low settings to even run.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
can play the newest AAA games perfectly fine lol they can even play most of them at 4K 60fps on ultra/max settings even.

60 fps is not current gen gaming. Anything lower than 120 fps is too low.

Also, even the most expensive laptops have pitifully small screens, on par with 20+ years old PCs. And good luck finding one with 4K OLED HDR (I did, but they are rare and expensive).

Originally posted by patrick68794:
The laptop 3080ti is about as fast as a desktop 3070.

First of all, the 3070 is a low-end graphics card, to begin with, so LOL at the comparison.

Second, when you say "about as fast" you must mean "greatly slower than the desktop 3070". Watch this actual live comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fYh2Ll04I
The 3070 shows consistently higher performance by a significant margin.

Third, a laptop with 3080 Ti and an OLED display would cost around $4,000. For that money, you could buy a vastly superior desktop PC which would outperform it on every level by a mile and have a much bigger and better screen, and also have money left over for a decent travel laptop without "gaming" ambitions (if you even need one for work).

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Don't talk about things you don't know anything about and again, if you're not going to give helpful advice don't bother saying anything at all

It seems you're the one who doesn't know anything, chum.
Last edited by Blackdragon; Dec 18, 2022 @ 11:47am
patrick68794 Dec 18, 2022 @ 11:52am 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Originally posted by patrick68794:
Yeah, high end gaming laptops
"High end gaming laptop" is not what the OP has. The OP's laptop is an i5 with 8 GB RAM and a 1650 graphics card. Which will likely be too slow to run Hogwarts Legacy well. It very barely fits the official minimum requirements (8 GB RAM + NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070), but will probably require turning everything down to Low settings to even run.

Originally posted by patrick68794:
can play the newest AAA games perfectly fine lol they can even play most of them at 4K 60fps on ultra/max settings even.

60 fps is not current gen gaming. Anything lower than 120 fps is too low.

Also, even the most expensive laptops have pitifully small screens, on par with 20+ years old PCs. And good luck finding one with 4K OLED HDR (I did, but they are rare and expensive).

Originally posted by patrick68794:
The laptop 3080ti is about as fast as a desktop 3070.

First of all, the 3070 is a low-end graphics card, to begin with, so LOL at the comparison.

Second, when you say "about as fast" you must mean "greatly slower than the desktop 3070". Watch this actual live comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fYh2Ll04I
The 3070 shows consistently higher performance by a significant margin.

Third, a laptop with 3080 Ti and an OLED display would cost around $4,000. For that money, you could buy a vastly superior desktop PC which would outperform it on every level by a mile and have a much bigger and better screen, and also have money left over for a decent travel laptop without "gaming" ambitions (if you even need one for work).

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Don't talk about things you don't know anything about and again, if you're not going to give helpful advice don't bother saying anything at all

It seems you're the one who doesn't know anything, chum.
That's a 3070 ti little fella, not a 3070. Also not relevant at all to the discussion that you could buy a better desktop for the money. Nobody is saying you can't but also the person that asked the question specifically asked about a laptop so you're providing nothing except ignorance. Feel free to reply again so you can feel like you "won" something though
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