Game abandoned already ?

[Winter]

They say no DLC for game and looks not even care too fix ray tracing that they broken with March 8 patch. Now RT shadows and reflection are broken and who know if it ever get fix 3 weeks silence from developer. I'm really not understand how is possible abandoned that massive success game that is already one of top game this year. There is plenty game that not achieve even half success that this game did and their developer still care way more for their game.

[Psyringe]

The developers are a relatively small team who never worked on a game of this scale before. Their previous works were mostly merchandise games for Disney movies. They barely got Hogwarts Legacy out the door despite Warner delaying the game twice and giving them more than a year of extra time. I think the end result is actually pretty good, but it's also very clear that the developers were in over their heads at least to some degree.

Currently, the developers seem focused on getting the remaining console releases done. And since they are a small team, that may mean no patches for the PC version until that task is done. I strongly doubt that they have "abandoned" the PC version, but they seem to have other priorities for now.

[Winter]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

The developers are a relatively small team who never worked on a game of this scale before. Their previous works were mostly merchandise games for Disney movies. They barely got Hogwarts Legacy out the door despite Warner delaying the game twice and giving them more than a year of extra time. I think the end result is actually pretty good, but it's also very clear that the developers were in over their heads at least to some degree.

Currently, the developers seem focused on getting the remaining console releases done. And since they are a small team, that may mean no patches for the PC version until that task is done. I strongly doubt that they have "abandoned" the PC version, but they seem to have other priorities for now.

Small team ? Do you even seen all this people list who worked on this game after finish main game story ? There is hundreds people who worked on this project so it not small at all team.

[Raelic]

You call it abandon... I call it being content that you did a good job and let people either enjoy it or pick it apart.

Welcome to pre-internet gaming. Well, as close as you'll get. I, for one, love it.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by Winter:

Originally posted by Psyringe:

The developers are a relatively small team who never worked on a game of this scale before. Their previous works were mostly merchandise games for Disney movies. They barely got Hogwarts Legacy out the door despite Warner delaying the game twice and giving them more than a year of extra time. I think the end result is actually pretty good, but it's also very clear that the developers were in over their heads at least to some degree.

Currently, the developers seem focused on getting the remaining console releases done. And since they are a small team, that may mean no patches for the PC version until that task is done. I strongly doubt that they have "abandoned" the PC version, but they seem to have other priorities for now.

Small team ? Do you even seen all this people list who worked on this game after finish main game story ? There is hundreds people who worked on this project so it not small at all team.

Yes, I saw them. I'm one of the people who view and actually read the credits after playing a game. I sometimes report typos to developers when they e.g. misspelled a name.

The credits list is indeed very long, but if you actually look at the details, you'll notice that the vast majority of those people are not part of the core development team (which is what's relevant in the context of the question about patches). You'll see lots of names that were voice actors for various roles in various languages, or who are just working in an executive role for any of the third-party studios involved (and who may not have had any actual input on their work for Hogwarts Legacy at all). If you believe that e.g. 200 voice actors from the credits list have an impact on whether or not the game gets another patch, then I'm curious about your line of thought there. ;)

The core team (i.e. the people who would be working on future patches) is Avalanche Software. Depending on the source you look at, that studio employs between 40 and 140 people. Neither is a big number for a game of this scope. Note also that I said "relatively" small. Obviously, for an indie title, those figures would be very large. For a triple-A studio, they aren't. "From Software" has 349 employees, for example - and even that is not considered large.

[parent child bowl]

The game is just done content wise. It's their decision.

Judging from the comments of some people there has never been a video game in the history of video games that has not been abandoned.

[werwolfgaming]

Also they said no dlc FOR now WB would never allow something like dlc slide away when its thair most bought game ever they wanna make into a franchise wich means likely 3-4 more games at the very least we will see a hogwarts legacy 2 at most, they just wanna have every console get the game rn like ps4 and xbox one aswell as switch before they work on any type off big update they never said dlc was out off the question just that rn its not a priority or planned in the near future

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Originally posted by Winter:

Small team ? Do you even seen all this people list who worked on this game after finish main game story ? There is hundreds people who worked on this project so it not small at all team.

Yes, I saw them. I'm one of the people who view and actually read the credits after playing a game. I sometimes report typos to developers when they e.g. misspelled a name.

The credits list is indeed very long, but if you actually look at the details, you'll notice that the vast majority of those people are not part of the core development team (which is what's relevant in the context of the question about patches). You'll see lots of names that were voice actors for various roles in various languages, or who are just working in an executive role for any of the third-party studios involved (and who may not have had any actual input on their work for Hogwarts Legacy at all). If you believe that e.g. 200 voice actors from the credits list have an impact on whether or not the game gets another patch, then I'm curious about your line of thought there. ;)

The core team (i.e. the people who would be working on future patches) is Avalanche Software. Depending on the source you look at, that studio employs between 40 and 140 people. Neither is a big number for a game of this scope. Note also that I said "relatively" small. Obviously, for an indie title, those figures would be very large. For a triple-A studio, they aren't. "From Software" has 349 employees, for example - and even that is not considered large.

According to the credits on MobyGames there are 374 people that worked at Avalanche that are credited.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/199341/hogwarts-legacy/credits/windows/?autoplatform=true

And no, I didn't count them by hand so there is no user error there.

[Beezzzzy]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

The developers are a relatively small team who never worked on a game of this scale before. Their previous works were mostly merchandise games for Disney movies. They barely got Hogwarts Legacy out the door despite Warner delaying the game twice and giving them more than a year of extra time. I think the end result is actually pretty good, but it's also very clear that the developers were in over their heads at least to some degree.

Currently, the developers seem focused on getting the remaining console releases done. And since they are a small team, that may mean no patches for the PC version until that task is done. I strongly doubt that they have "abandoned" the PC version, but they seem to have other priorities for now.

I don't care about the size of the team. I spent full price money on a game that I can't play. My schedule doesn't allow me to beat a game in 1 week like others suggested that we should have done. I just wanna get my money's worth. I already left a negative review and recommend others do the same as well until they fix it.

[Warrior at the Edge of Time]

Might still be worth picking with -75% at the end of the year if they improve performance. But, yeah, I kinda knew they would call it a day after hotfixing some stuff. It still sucks for the most ambitious HP title to be dropped so quickly in terms of support. I was hoping for at least AI improvements.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

According to the credits on MobyGames there are 374 people that worked at Avalanche that are credited.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/199341/hogwarts-legacy/credits/windows/?autoplatform=true

Interesting! My numbers might be outdated, thanks for pointing that out!

I still think that Avalanche is inexperienced with games of that scope, based on their track record, and blowing the team's size up in a short time may bring its own set of problems. But you're right, the numbers on mobygames are definitely higher than the ones reported on business sites.

Originally posted by Beezzzzy:

I don't care about the size of the team. I spent full price money on a game that I can't play. My schedule doesn't allow me to beat a game in 1 week like others suggested that we should have done. I just wanna get my money's worth. I already left a negative review and recommend others do the same as well until they fix it.

That's absolutely justified. If you got the impression that I was saying "hey, let's go easy on those devs, they are inexperienced with games of that scope", then you completely misread my post, I never said any such thing. Explaining why they might be overwhelmed with the current situation, does not mean defending them against valid criticism, those are two different things.

As I said in other threads, the fact that a patch that demonstrably introduced crashes for many players and broke raytracing for everyone has been left without a hotfix for 2 weeks and counting, is really embarrassing for the devs and for WB. But the question of this thread was "have they abandoned the game" (which I don't think is the case, I expect them to return to it after the console releases are addressed), not "are the devs doing a good job addressing the bugs" (which I don't think they do).

[ShadowBandit39]

Lol talk about a generation. We use to wait months for DLC or even a year, but we don't get one within 2 or 3 months. Idiots start spouting, "game abandoned".

[Raelic]

Originally posted by ShadowBandit39:

Lol talk about a generation. We use to wait months for DLC or even a year, but we don't get one within 2 or 3 months. Idiots start spouting, "game abandoned".

You got DLC and expansions?

[Cookie Crisp Cereal]

Stop posting stupidity please.

[Shadow]

I'm rather surprised they aren't working on DLC, a game like this, I'd expect a season pass with a minimum of 2 years of content dropping in.

[werwolfgaming]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

According to the credits on MobyGames there are 374 people that worked at Avalanche that are credited.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/199341/hogwarts-legacy/credits/windows/?autoplatform=true

Interesting! My numbers might be outdated, thanks for pointing that out!

I still think that Avalanche is inexperienced with games of that scope, based on their track record, and blowing the team's size up in a short time may bring its own set of problems. But you're right, the numbers on mobygames are definitely higher than the ones reported on business sites.

Originally posted by Beezzzzy:

I don't care about the size of the team. I spent full price money on a game that I can't play. My schedule doesn't allow me to beat a game in 1 week like others suggested that we should have done. I just wanna get my money's worth. I already left a negative review and recommend others do the same as well until they fix it.

That's absolutely justified. If you got the impression that I was saying "hey, let's go easy on those devs, they are inexperienced with games of that scope", then you completely misread my post, I never said any such thing. Explaining why they might be overwhelmed with the current situation, does not mean defending them against valid criticism, those are two different things.

As I said in other threads, the fact that a patch that demonstrably introduced crashes for many players and broke raytracing for everyone has been left without a hotfix for 2 weeks and counting, is really embarrassing for the devs and for WB. But the question of this thread was "have they abandoned the game" (which I don't think is the case, I expect them to return to it after the console releases are addressed), not "are the devs doing a good job addressing the bugs" (which I don't think they do).

yes they are they are very inexperianced wich is why WB assigned people from bigger studios to help avalanche make the game so those 300+ people id bet atleast 100 or so off those are programming veterans from other companies that helped