What kind of wand would a vegan have?

[Havard.H]

Dragon heartstring, phoenix feather and unicorn hair are not really vegan.

Would it be okay to use a phoenix feather if it fell off naturally? Could they maby become friends with a magic creature and get the feather/hair as a gift? Would it be okey to use a heart string if the dragon died of old age?

[Havard.H]

Falaris eredeti hozzászólása:

Havard.H eredeti hozzászólása:

Wool is not vegan so pulling feathers or hair for a living creature is certainly not vegan.

I answered your other question(s), not the headline. You asked more than one, remember?

I believe I said "fell off naturally" or "become friends", in the game you pull the hair and feathers out of imprisoned creatures.

[WorldWalker128]

I don't get why they need wands at all. Magical stuff still happens from wizards (like Harry making the glass disappear at the zoo) even without training. Goblins, House elves etc can all use magic without wands, and in-game one of your classmates states that where she comes from, they don't use them, and they're human. So if one took issue with the cores coming from living creatures, would they even bother with a wand?

[Halfalfasleep]

cool-dude eredeti hozzászólása:

Unicorn and phoenix would be ok, because they shed their tail feathers/hair. Dragon heart string however, is something that actually comes from a Dragon heart i believe, and they can only be extracted from dead Dragon.

Vegans aren't vegetarians, they avoid all animal products and byproducts. It's "exploitation" to them.

[SotiCoto]

Dryad Girl-P33n.
It is okay to mutilate plants because they don't have feelings... except when they do because magic world.

[Gr3atsaga]

Halfalfasleep eredeti hozzászólása:

cool-dude eredeti hozzászólása:

Unicorn and phoenix would be ok, because they shed their tail feathers/hair. Dragon heart string however, is something that actually comes from a Dragon heart i believe, and they can only be extracted from dead Dragon.

Vegans aren't vegetarians, they avoid all animal products and byproducts. It's "exploitation" to them.

But what about animals in your Vivarium? When you collect ingredients, isn't the animal "sharing" them with you, therefore willingly consenting to your usage of their materials? This is a world of magic, and those are magical beasts. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that the magical beasts are capable of consenting to the collection and usage of specific parts of them. Obviously the definition of veganism cannot be applied directly to the Wizarding World, and must be adapted.

[cults]

Gr3atsaga eredeti hozzászólása:

Halfalfasleep eredeti hozzászólása:

Vegans aren't vegetarians, they avoid all animal products and byproducts. It's "exploitation" to them.

But what about animals in your Vivarium? When you collect ingredients, isn't the animal "sharing" them with you, therefore willingly consenting to your usage of their materials? This is a world of magic, and those are magical beasts. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that the magical beasts are capable of consenting to the collection and usage of specific parts of them. Obviously the definition of veganism cannot be applied directly to the Wizarding World, and must be adapted.

Considering that plants in the Potterverse are also living beings, I think we can assume that veganism is a futile practice in that world and that they're more concerned with preservation and proper treatment.

[SpottedHare]

Dragon heart string core? The dead remains of an animal that was really good at killing animals.

[Halfalfasleep]

Gr3atsaga eredeti hozzászólása:

Halfalfasleep eredeti hozzászólása:

Vegans aren't vegetarians, they avoid all animal products and byproducts. It's "exploitation" to them.

But what about animals in your Vivarium? When you collect ingredients, isn't the animal "sharing" them with you, therefore willingly consenting to your usage of their materials? This is a world of magic, and those are magical beasts. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that the magical beasts are capable of consenting to the collection and usage of specific parts of them. Obviously the definition of veganism cannot be applied directly to the Wizarding World, and must be adapted.

Dude I didn't make their rules, or say that they made sense. IMO being a vegan in the HP world would be borderline impossible.

[SotiCoto]

Gr3atsaga eredeti hozzászólása:

But what about animals in your Vivarium? When you collect ingredients, isn't the animal "sharing" them with you, therefore willingly consenting to your usage of their materials? This is a world of magic, and those are magical beasts. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that the magical beasts are capable of consenting to the collection and usage of specific parts of them. Obviously the definition of veganism cannot be applied directly to the Wizarding World, and must be adapted.

There is little functional difference between what the player character does and what the Poachers supposedly do. We just don't use collars. And the only animals we brutally murder are Spiders, Wolves (Mongrels) and Dugbogs... assuming we don't accidentally misfire attack spells at innocent beasts... which most of us probably have done. The rest get dragged into a bag against their will while chiding them for resisting and claiming it is for their own good... then we throw them into the Room of Requirement and force them to breed.
Maybe in 10 years or so, some other Hogwarts student will wander into the room of requirement and find huge piles of animal skeletons lying about amid the furniture... abandoned to starve to death once the HL protagonist moved on and stopped playing the game.

cults eredeti hozzászólása:

Considering that plants in the Potterverse are also living beings, I think we can assume that veganism is a futile practice in that world and that they're more concerned with preservation and proper treatment.

They apparently have rules about not conjuring food out of nothing... but they probably have spells to just not need to eat... nor drink... nor sleep... nor sh!t. I mean there are so many toilets in Hogwarts, but has anyone ever actually used one of them in canon? Ever?

Halfalfasleep eredeti hozzászólása:

IMO being a vegan in the HP world would be borderline impossible.

They can probably just transform rocks into food. That probably explains why the great hall is always in full feast-mode. Post-scarcity on account of rocks.

[vaanomega]

Havard.H eredeti hozzászólása:

Falaris eredeti hozzászólása:

You can get tons of phoenix feathers and unicorn hairs without killing them. In fact, you do so in the game a lot.

Dragon heartstring is a bit harder to get without death being part of the process.

Wool is not vegan so pulling feathers or hair for a living creature is certainly not vegan.

Veganism is about avoiding hurting and exploiting animals, but if you find a feather that fallen from a bird, there is nothing wrong by taking it
Same for hair or anything else

[vaanomega]

cults eredeti hozzászólása:

Gr3atsaga eredeti hozzászólása:

But what about animals in your Vivarium? When you collect ingredients, isn't the animal "sharing" them with you, therefore willingly consenting to your usage of their materials? This is a world of magic, and those are magical beasts. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that the magical beasts are capable of consenting to the collection and usage of specific parts of them. Obviously the definition of veganism cannot be applied directly to the Wizarding World, and must be adapted.

Considering that plants in the Potterverse are also living beings, I think we can assume that veganism is a futile practice in that world and that they're more concerned with preservation and proper treatment.

True, if plants are sentient being like animals, they deserve the same treatment from them, meaning that if they refuse to considere them like they do with animals, it would basically be the same as speciesism

[cults]

SotiCoto eredeti hozzászólása:

They apparently have rules about not conjuring food out of nothing... but they probably have spells to just not need to eat... nor drink... nor sleep... nor sh!t. I mean there are so many toilets in Hogwarts, but has anyone ever actually used one of them in canon? Ever?

I don't know about the books. We may have seen feet under stalls in the scenes where they use toilet stalls for anything but their intended use? We know they take baths, if not at Hogwarts to get your ♥♥♥♥ rated by Myrtle, we saw Ginny fresh out of the shower tying Harry's shoe for him.

It's weird that we haven't seen any vegans comment on this thread, you just know this fandom is full of them. I'm thinking that vegans are okay with the Potterverse treatment of animal because everyone who's not pure of heart is either practising forbidden magic against people or simply hates muggles. It's really the house elves that get it the worst.

[Gr3atsaga]

Halfalfasleep eredeti hozzászólása:

Dude I didn't make their rules, or say that they made sense. IMO being a vegan in the HP world would be borderline impossible.

Dude, why are you being defensive? Nothing was directed at you. And I also offered the possibility that veganism within the Wizarding World is different than ours, but just dismiss that I suppose.

I am 100% a carnivore, so it's not like I'm really that concerned about it.

[leighton]

They'd ride giant celery stalks.

[Demon Horde]

This is just a game . no actual animals are harmed during any thing that occurs in this game . further more unicorns and and dragons are fictional creatures.