If avada kedavra one shots anything

[侍Kage]

Then why nobody just spam the sht out of it, especially criminals. They can literally one shot anyone and get away with it, how do they get jailed in azkaban?

I'm not into HP universe, I watched only once years ago. I'm planning to watch again, but yeah everyone and their mothers know this spell. Why use other spells when you have avada kedavra?

[GrailQuest]

It's more of a plot device in both the books and in the game. The "unforgivable curses" are all about the mystique that surrounds them than anything. If you try to analyze it, the entire spell casting system breaks down and you realize it's just not well thought out at all.

For example, how do people survive Confringo or Bombarda or Incendio in a duel for example? If they just protego it away then every duel would be a stalemate, which it obviously is not. Yet Hogwarts Defense Against the Dark Arts class doesn't have a particularly high casualty or even injury rate.

If anything, the intent required for Unforgivable Curses actually makes them safer. You don't accidentally do anything with them. Whereas you could certainly accidentally Flipendo someone off building and they go splat at the bottom.

[Reaptor]

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

theres that scene in the books/movie where they kill a hippogryph. it's described as fairly routine to put down unruly magical animals, it's certainly that guys dayjob
they use a pretty barbaric decapitation with an axe for that. why not abra kadabra?

Jesus, this is tiring. Again. They didn't hate the hippogriff. He may have been an executioner and looked fugly, but he was doing a job.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

which is less unforgivable than imperius how again?

You don't hate the person you give a love potion to. It may be out of line and immoral, but it doesn't stem from hatred.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

it's honestly hard to believe. there are tons of examples of "dark dangerous alleyways", pubscenes with all kinds of unruly folks, the entire snatches/poacher guys

They're only dark and dangerous areas due to influences like Grindewald, Voldemort, Ranrook etc, which are few an far between.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

they even teach the class as "defense against the dark arts" instead of "how to work safety and prevent accidents". bad stuff must be pretty common once you look beyond the surface

because all forms of magic are worth learning about, even if you don't use that magic. There are plenty of dangerous magical creatures that need to be taught how to deal with too.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

this line of thinking fits really well with the "it's a childrens book" argument

It's not though. It started as such, but later it was more geared towards young adults or teens.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

but hate is not required for intent

Omg bruh, but it IS required to be able to cast Avada Kadavra.
Why is this a wall for you?
You are going out of your way to frame this in a real world or "muggle" perspective and it's just not how this works.

Im done. Formatting this is getting too annoying to just to be circle talked because you can't accept fantasy concepts and want it to so badly make sense in our current real life world.

[JefTheReaper]

According to fake Madeye Moody, most people can try and cast the spell, but if you are not properly "feeling" the will to utterly destroy and kill someone, at best you might achieve giving them a nosebleed instead.

So it takes a great amount of focus, you can't screw up the wording or wand movement while also needing to really want your target dead or destroyed (as it can "kill" nonliving things too)

Its also likely why in Secrets of Dumbledore the Qilin mother did not instantly die after being hit by Avada Kedavra after it was cast without incantation.
The intent to kill was there, but without the full incantation its power was likely weaker, bringing it very close to the edge of death instead of instantly killing it.

Its overall a difficult spell to master, but extremely dangerous when it is.

And due to our character being "special" due to Ancient Magic, they have a natural talent for learning anything magic.
We can assume what only took our character moments to learn took many other wizards and witches YEARS of training.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Stalking Reaptor:

Omg bruh, but it IS required to be able to cast Avada Kadavra.
Why is this a wall for you?

because there are obvious examples of it being cast without hate? the ones you conveniently didn't quote?

but for the sake of argument im happy to go with it. since it doesn't fundamentally change anything and is just a side tangent to the original question.

it still doesn't explain why a hateful murder with a fireball is different from a hateful murder with abra kedabra.

the only thing stated is that murder affects the soul.

so then why is there a difference between what spell you use?

Im done. want it to so badly make sense in our current real life world.

not sure where you got that impression from. i'm straight up talking about souls which obviously isn't something the real world legal system takes into account.

[qwerlancer]

It's all about power. Our MC kill so many people in one battle even without avada kedavra while Victor Rookwood tried to spam avada kedavra on MC but still cannot beat our MC

[Reaptor]

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

Originally posted by Stalking Reaptor:

Omg bruh, but it IS required to be able to cast Avada Kadavra.
Why is this a wall for you?

because there are obvious examples of it being cast without hate? the ones you conveniently didn't quote?

No, there isn't. At least not outside of this game.
Several people have thoroughly explained it, were just beating a dead horse now.

[Violent Rainbow]

Because you can only create so many horcruxes before you explode like Voldemort

[Elysia]

if hate is so important for it, how did Snape kill Dumbledore with it, Snape clearly doesnt hate Dumbledore. This is at least 1 case that shows that hatred is not required. and to see what bourty crouch said in the classroom, its intent, without the intent to really want the other dead it wont work. To give this though experiment: your being attacked by a giant armored troll, with glowy red eyes intent on murdering you. im pretty sure if Harry would then cast AK the troll would just get a nosebleed, as harry does not have the intent to really kill the troll, he wants to stop the attack, but not kill the troll. I think thats important, you have to really want to end the targets life. thats why it also worked for snape on dumbledore, it wanst hate, but he did really wanted to kill dumbledore, as that was the deal they made and agreed on. True intent to end life

[Dagg]

Originally posted by Clown Fiesta:

Originally posted by 愛IcyTea Lemon:

It makes no sense, a powerful spell like this should have a consequences. You:re taking life.. you should lose something each time you cast this, like; losing nose, eyes, hands etc. Literally a free spell, i don't think saying unforgivable makes people stop casting it lol.

you tell that to all the gun nuts in the US

mass shooting is like a national pasttime in the US now, but these gun nuts still cry "but..but.....guns don't kill people bruh!!!"

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a while and I just read a post where someone thinks this game can damage your ram slots.

[Lesmir]

Originally posted by 愛IcyTea Lemon:

It makes no sense, a powerful spell like this should have a consequences. You:re taking life.. you should lose something each time you cast this, like; losing nose, eyes, hands etc. Literally a free spell, i don't think saying unforgivable makes people stop casting it lol.

well there is some kind of consequences

socialy : beside some special where the ministry authorised auror to use it , its the highest crime and you will be lock up until death with the dementor...

physicaly : it is explain in the book that when you kill someone with murderous intent ( which is required for the spell to work ) a little part of your soul is also ripped off from you ( that's what voldemort capture to created his horcrux ) and those bits of soul missing from you can have some consequence on your magic and on your after life etc

[Zarok]

I've always wondered if the killing curse is an instant kill that's unblockable why don't the dark wizards and Voldemort just use it in every battle? How could they lose with an instant one shot unblockable kill?

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Stalking Reaptor:

No, there isn't. At least not outside of this game.
Several people have thoroughly explained it, were just beating a dead horse now.

i mean if it's so obvious then just provide a book quote or any source. should be really easy?

as i said i even went to the harry potter wiki and the word hate isn't even on the ava kedavra page.

also just to clarify, do you have to hate the person you are casting at? or do you just have to have generic feelings of hatred?

you are amusing though. you brought this whole hate is required to cast it into for no reason and now you don't even wanna talk about the actual topic i brought up in the first place even if we go with your version for sake or argument.

[Mr. Do Everything]

Originally posted by Clown Fiesta:

you tell that to all the gun nuts in the US

mass shooting is like a national pasttime in the US now, but these gun nuts still cry "but..but.....guns don't kill people bruh!!!"

Nerd makes ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bait ever.

Asked to leave Forums.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Lesmir:

physicaly : it is explain in the book that when you kill someone with murderous intent ( which is required for the spell to work ) a little part of your soul is also ripped off from you ( that's what voldemort capture to created his horcrux ) and those bits of soul missing from you can have some consequence on your magic and on your after life etc

yes but presumably this soul ripping also occurs when murdering someone any other way?

some of voldermorts horcruxes didn't involve avada kedavra for example.

[EyeXombie]

Yeah the game is way too simple. It should have been more like a mix of GTA and Skyrim rather than a cookie cutter ubisoft style open world. Like imagine if there was a police system where the Ministry would apparate around you when your doing crimes or dark arts. I feel like they shouldn't have added dark arts to the game if the game wasn't going to have a good/bad system. I mean Fable had a good/bad system back in 2004!!!! lol.. This game should have been so much better. It's like not having a dark and light system in a open world Starwars game. It makes no sense not to have it.