If avada kedavra one shots anything

[侍Kage]

Then why nobody just spam the sht out of it, especially criminals. They can literally one shot anyone and get away with it, how do they get jailed in azkaban?

I'm not into HP universe, I watched only once years ago. I'm planning to watch again, but yeah everyone and their mothers know this spell. Why use other spells when you have avada kedavra?

[Reaptor]

Originally posted by 愛IcyTea Lemon:

Originally posted by Stalking Reaptor:

You do lose something. It's not tangible, but look at the people who cast these curses in the books and the games. They are shells of their former selves. Complete socio/psychopaths with no empathy.

The game just doesn't have a system to go that deep.

But then again there are so many criminals who is intent is to kill people , I'm not talking about the game tbh i'm talking about the universe. Including books, movies etc. But you don't see them casting this many times. Voldemort can't be the only one who is so rotten inside.

It's cast many times by all of the Death Eaters. Every time they are casting, it's pretty much exclusively Avada Kadavra.

Like I said in another comment, it's like succumbing to the dark side of the force in Star Wars. The amount of corruption and hatred needed to cast these spells is immense. A good parallel is when Bellatrix killed Sirius. Harry was right there, on the cusp of casting it to kill her, he heard Voldemort's whispers telling him to cast it, but Harry knew better.
This is exactly the same as Palpatine pushing Anakin to do terrible things.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Stalking Reaptor:

You just go to jail, like irl. Murder is still murder.
Though, the unforgivable curses require you to be so hateful, so rotten inside, that the idea is there is no coming back from that. You really need to want to kill or torture your target to cast these spells.

wanting/needing to kill is a normal everyday activity though. and abra kadabra is described as extremely humane, painless and instant.

e.g. killing animals for resources is normal, why wouldn't you want to do it the most humany way possible?
and law enforcement in harry potter is allowed to use it too, surely these people can't be ethically rotten to the core?

no the only way it makes sense is if there is some cost to abra kababra that isn't incurred with other means.

It's essentially like the dark side of the force in Star Wars.

dark side is basicaly a positive reinforcement loop. strong emotion leads to more power leads to stronger emotions. but nothing like that exist for the unforgivable curses.

if they explicitly said using these curses specifically damages your soul or something it would make sense, but if such lore exists it's not obvious.

the only bit they explicitly say is that murder splits the soul. but again, that appears to be true regardless of the means you use.

[Octokitten]

Originally posted by Roobik:

Originally posted by Clown Fiesta:

you tell that to all the gun nuts in the US

mass shooting is like a national pasttime in the US now, but these gun nuts still cry "but..but.....guns don't kill people bruh!!!"

Why was it necessary to take the conversation down this path??

We're talking about a fantasy game where go to school to learn how to levitate objects and throw fire from your wand, so you can fight off giant trolls that are wearing armor made from enchanted goblin metal, created by a group of goblins that are trying to take over the world using ancient magic that paintings that can move and talk tell you about.

GTFO out of here with that ♥♥♥♥.

Given I live in this country. " .. where go to school and learn how to .. " Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr goes gun.

[You Touched My Tralala]

I am not sure if JKR covered it, but doesn't ministry register every single individual who casted Avada Kedavra on their "put in Azkaban list"? same way they register underage wizards cast spells in front of muggle?

Aside from law complications I believe casting Avada Kedavra also causes implications such as falling down the path with no turning back, and desecrating one's soul. Of course it is not properly depicted as to what are actual consequences of ever using Avada Kedavra. If I was to design this spell I would say that Avada Kedavra is double edged sword. If one already decided to end someone's life it will work as intended, but if it wasn't completely honest wish Avada Kedavra would instead kill the caster

[Reaptor]

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

wanting/needing to kill is a normal everyday activity though. and abra kadabra is described as extremely humane, painless and instant

You're talking about a world where they can just summon food and live rent free in magical summoned houses and such. The muggle world's problems really don't exist in this universe. Even crimes of passion are rare because there are potions and such for forcing someone to love you.
They basically live in a Utopia, so murder is rare. The people who do commit murder are after some grand idea or some grasp at power or they are genuinely phychopaths being lead by someone stronger.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

e.g. killing animals for resources is normal, why wouldn't you want to do it the most humany way possible?

You don't hate the animal though. You kill it for food or resources. Most hunters respect wildlife. Also, I'm not sure if anyone would want to eat cursed flesh.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

and law enforcement in harry potter is allowed to use it too, surely these people can't be ethically rotten to the core

Not everyone, only some of the highly trained few such as Aurors. They are trained to harness these emotions and feelings, but also to only use it as a last resort.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

no the only way it makes sense is if there is some cost to abra kababra that isn't incurred with other means

The only cost is losing yourself, which is why Aurors only use it as a last resort.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

dark side is basicaly a positive reinforcement loop. strong emotion leads to more power leads to stronger emotions. but nothing like that exist for the unforgivable curses
if they explicitly said using these curses specifically damages your soul or something it would make sense, but if such lore exists it's not obvious.

Yes, that strong emotion is hatred. Your hatred is rewarded by being able to cast these curses.
It does take a toll on you, which (again) why select trained individuals use it as a last resort and are trained to not lose themselves to it, like the Death Eaters and how they became husks of their former selves.

[Cozy With Sarkozi]

tbh. why waste time and effort on intent to kill when you can just lob fireballs and explosions at people while flinging them around and slamming them into the ground?

[Sethonan]

Originally posted by 愛IcyTea Lemon:

Then why nobody just spam the sht out of it, especially criminals. They can literally one shot anyone and get away with it, how do they get jailed in azkaban?

I'm not into HP universe, I watched only once years ago. I'm planning to watch again, but yeah everyone and their mothers know this spell. Why use other spells when you have avada kedavra?

Because you have to atually WANT to kill your target, not just in "I wish it was dead" sense, but you have to HATE LIFE IN GENERAL; that's the general excuse, people can momentarily wish someone else was dead, but to cast these curses you have to have debased yourself so much, that you actually hate life itself.

Imperio is the desire to completely control another person; Crucio is the wish to inflict actual physical pain, and Avada is thinking and believing other life is meaningless.

[Reaptor]

Originally posted by Cozy With Sarkozi:

tbh. why waste time and effort on intent to kill when you can just lob fireballs and explosions at people while flinging them around and slamming them into the ground?

Because in this HP universe, there is a status that comes with casting the unforgivable curses. It's a power display. Also, general spells are easier to deflect and to get out of than the 3 unforgivable curses.

[Sethonan]

Originally posted by You Touched My Tralala:

I am not sure if JKR covered it, but doesn't ministry register every single individual who casted Avada Kedavra on their "put in Azkaban list"? same way they register underage wizards cast spells in front of muggle?

Aside from law complications I believe casting Avada Kedavra also causes implications such as falling down the path with no turning back, and desecrating one's soul. Of course it is not properly depicted as to what are actual consequences of ever using Avada Kedavra. If I was to design this spell I would say that Avada Kedavra is double edged sword. If one already decided to end someone's life it will work as intended, but if it wasn't completely honest wish Avada Kedavra would instead kill the caster

And she did; the cost is losing a bit of your soul every time you cast it, you relly can't go on living if you want everybody dead; one of the very few well written rules in her universe.

They are called "unforgivable" curses because they are not just energy cast from yourself, they are the manifestation of dark desires; you can't fake them, you can't "accidentally" cast them and just say "I didn't mean to do it"; because yes, you DID MEAN IT.
In one of the books Potter uses crucio on one of the bad guys, and while it worked, the bad guy gets up and muses that it wasn't properly cast, then proceeds to return the favor and shows Harry what's what. Like on genuine hatred Harry was able to inflict real pain, but not on the level the spell actually does, wich is described as pain so intense you wish you would die instead of keep experimenting it, pain so hard people can go vegetative just to shut it off without a way to come back.

SPOILERS:

In-game, Sebastian's sister was subjected to crucio, and even tough it didnt kill her or leave her vegetative, she keeps experiencing bouts of pain every now and then, impossible to heal and more intense every passing year.

[ArchAngelOsis]

Originally posted by Clown Fiesta:

Originally posted by 愛IcyTea Lemon:

It makes no sense, a powerful spell like this should have a consequences. You:re taking life.. you should lose something each time you cast this, like; losing nose, eyes, hands etc. Literally a free spell, i don't think saying unforgivable makes people stop casting it lol.

you tell that to all the gun nuts in the US

mass shooting is like a national pasttime in the US now, but these gun nuts still cry "but..but.....guns don't kill people bruh!!!"

67 so far (when i checked probably more now lol) and we're only 2 months into the year.... they just had a school superintendent in texas leave his firearm in a washroom and a kid found it...thankfully kid reported it instead of the various alternative scenarios

[DatFrogKurtis]

You just have to draw assumptions because its not explained fully in the books.

As far as AK is concerned its more about how powerful you are. The books never really specify how using magical power affects the user but I'd have to imagine that it works like a muscle, book 1 states that the effort harry uses to resist/burn Prof Quirrell nearly kills him, so if magic uses your own energy I would assume AK would be like using all your power at once, as a one shot, but youre left weaker afterwards. Otherwise, yeah, AK is super OP in universe.

The only stated consequence is a "broken soul". Harry potter has a canonical afterlife and a broken soul has implied consequences for that afterlife. In book 7 they depict a portion of Riddle's soul as like a warped twisted tortured child thing, so its presumed that using it is not so good for you in the afterlife....

[You Touched My Tralala]

Originally posted by DatFrogKurtis:

You just have to draw assumptions because its not explained fully in the books.

As far as AK is concerned its more about how powerful you are. The books never really specify how using magical power affects the user but I'd have to imagine that it works like a muscle, book 1 states that the effort harry uses to resist/burn Prof Quirrell nearly kills him, so if magic uses your own energy I would assume AK would be like using all your power at once, as a one shot, but youre left weaker afterwards. Otherwise, yeah, AK is super OP in universe.

The only stated consequence is a "broken soul". Harry potter has a canonical afterlife and a broken soul has implied consequences for that afterlife. In book 7 they depict a portion of Riddle's soul as like a warped twisted tortured child thing, so its presumed that using it is not so good for you in the afterlife....

regarding second statement, I wanted to provide it as an example too of AK usage consequence but I didn't because it's mostly just a tiny piece of Voldemort's soul, I think it doesn't illustrate just average avada kedavra enjoyer soul

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Stalking Reaptor:

You're talking about a world where they can just summon food and live rent free in magical summoned houses and such. The muggle world's problems really don't exist in this universe.

theres that scene in the books/movie where they kill a hippogryph. it's described as fairly routine to put down unruly magical animals, it's certainly that guys dayjob.

they use a pretty barbaric decapitation with an axe for that. why not abra kadabra?

Even crimes of passion are rare because there are potions and such for forcing someone to love you.

which is less unforgivable than imperius how again?

They basically live in a Utopia, so murder is rare. The people who do commit murder are after some grand idea or some grasp at power or they are genuinely phychopaths being lead by someone stronger.

it's honestly hard to believe. there are tons of examples of "dark dangerous alleyways", pubscenes with all kinds of unruly folks, the entire snatches/poacher guys.

they even teach the class as "defense against the dark arts" instead of "how to work safety and prevent accidents". bad stuff must be pretty common once you look beyond the surface.

this line of thinking fits really well with the "it's a childrens book" argument.

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

You don't hate the animal though. You kill it for food or resources. Most hunters respect wildlife. Also, I'm not sure if anyone would want to eat cursed flesh.

but hate is not required for intent. that's the basic argument: a lot of intentional killings are not murder/manslaughter, but done for some legitimate reason.

The only cost is losing yourself, which is why Aurors only use it as a last resort.

if its a metaphor, then you surely also lose yourself when you intentionally kill with a fireball or knife.

if it's literally, then they should really make it more obvious.

but agian, they specifally say murder breaks the soul, not what tool you use for it.

Yes, that strong emotion is hatred. Your hatred is rewarded by being able to cast these curses.

that simply can't be true. snape didn't strongly hate dumbledore and he could cast it. the aurors you mention probably don't strongly hate the people they use it on. it's clearly possible to cast this spell succesfully with a "there is no alternative, it must be done" intent.

It does take a toll on you, which (again) why select trained individuals use it as a last resort and are trained to not lose themselves to it, like the Death Eaters and how they became husks of their former selves.

what toll does it take that specifically doesn't exist with other means of intentional murder/torture/mind charming?

i tried looking it up on the wiki. but apparently the article says it's painless at the top, and then says pain is the method of killing a bit further down. so i guess there really is no good source on this stuff.

[Matagot]

It has a long cool down, you cannot spam it

[You Touched My Tralala]

I don't think we can come to clear understanding what's so *bad* about AK in terms of negative outcome one doesn't desire regardless of moral side he is on. It must be something that disincentive one's usage of AK so much he'd resort to other ways of killing person than even start to think about AK