Why was the plan to have 0 endgame?

[pfb]

Was it intentional to have zero endgame? Was this game aimed to keep gamers entertained for less than a week? I truly do not understand. Currency is a joke and easy to get. There is no gear to farm and no reason to do it. Pumping your room of requirement to max takes a wet farts effort. Dungeons, layers, treasure hordes, all useless and without point. It is almost scary how baron and lonely this game feels just flying around on your broom with literally nothing to do. It was very fun dropping hours into the beasts and their homes, but that fell off after the first day. You get just about every spell and beast you would want through the story... and then the game literally ends. You can't even say "Graphorn" before the main story is over and you literally feel like a student who forgot to go home over the break.

It is great to read and hear more about this frustration from the community. I can't remember ever experiencing such wonderful highs in a game, only to have it completely flat line once the main story ends. The devs accomplished oceans of successes in this game. However, this game is very easy, ends very fast, and has absolutely nothing to retain it's player base. Alts and second play-throughs are horrendously paced. This oversight, in 2023, is shocking. Insanely devoted Harry Potter fans can't even force themselves to fly around on a broom, in a multiplayer-less world, doing the exact same easy things we did while on the main story anyway.

Step it up in the future!!! This game can still be everything it needs to be for casual gamers and Harry Potter enthusiasts while still adding elements that keep gamers playing and chasing fun, end-game content.

[leqesai]

Originally posted by pfb:

Originally posted by HashSmokinBasher:

"Im a spoiled brat who hasnt accomplished ♥♥♥♥ in life grrrrrr"

When someone named HashSmokin makes an IRL accomplishment attack for complaining about lack of end game. Keep smoking, homie. =) Your brain cells can be counted on 1 hand.

This might be a spoiler, but many of the people running the country are hash smokers. Additionally, many non-hash smokers are forum-dwelling trolls who play video games and drink soda all day long.

One thing doesn't necessarily imply the other.

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Trüffeldino35:

Endgame-Content ina Singleplayer-Game , nice idea :)

there are dozens of examples and it is norm for singleplayer rpg games especially open world ones to have things to do after the story.

[Cpt Obvious]

Bro this isn't an MMORPG. Get a grip.

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Cpt Obvious:

Bro this isn't an MMORPG. Get a grip.

it doesnt have to be an mmorpg to have basic repeatable gameplay functions and a post story questline.

something that has been a norm in games like this for decades.

[Calv]

No thanks.

So many games have been ruined by devs forcing "end game content" or "live service" nonsense into them.

There is nothing wrong with a tight single-player experience with a clear end.

[leqesai]

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

Originally posted by Trüffeldino35:

Endgame-Content ina Singleplayer-Game , nice idea :)

there are dozens of examples and it is norm for singleplayer rpg games especially open world ones to have things to do after the story.

There are dozens of examples where it is a norm for singleplayer rpg games to not have anything to do after the story, as well...

Avalanche Software doesn't have a long track record of post endgame content AFAIK. Compared to their other projects this game is already a pretty big leap forward.

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Calv:

No thanks.

So many games have been ruined by devs forcing "end game content" or "live service" nonsense into them.

There is nothing wrong with a tight single-player experience with a clear end.

then why have a post game state where you can fly around and do nothing?

atleast add in the mini games like summoners court, and wand duels to be repeatable for money or something in post game.

or at the very best a repeatable dungeon like bloodbornes cairn dungeons.

[Calv]

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

Originally posted by Calv:

No thanks.

So many games have been ruined by devs forcing "end game content" or "live service" nonsense into them.

There is nothing wrong with a tight single-player experience with a clear end.

then why have a post game state where you can fly around and do nothing?

atleast add in the mini games like summoners court, and wand duels to be repeatable for money or something in post game.

or at the very best a repeatable dungeon like bloodbornes cairn dungeons.

Because you can do things. You can finish the field guide and the merlin trials and capture beasts and explore treasure caves etc etc

[Star Taker]

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

Originally posted by Trüffeldino35:

Endgame-Content ina Singleplayer-Game , nice idea :)

there are dozens of examples and it is norm for singleplayer rpg games especially open world ones to have things to do after the story.

god of war ragnarok did it, it makes sense to have something like that, but i think it might be in an upcoming dlc, you can bet on it

[Cpt Obvious]

True bro they should add 25 man raids.

[leqesai]

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

Originally posted by Calv:

No thanks.

So many games have been ruined by devs forcing "end game content" or "live service" nonsense into them.

There is nothing wrong with a tight single-player experience with a clear end.

then why have a post game state where you can fly around and do nothing?

atleast add in the mini games like summoners court, and wand duels to be repeatable for money or something in post game.

or at the very best a repeatable dungeon like bloodbornes cairn dungeons.

Just curious but do the following games have much/anything to do after you beat the game? Trying to list some games I'd compare this to (even if somewhat loose)

Witcher 3
GTA 5
Batman Arkham City/Knight
Saints Row (all games)
Shadow of Mordor (and the other one)
Dragon Age Inquisition (and to a lesser degree Origins)
Assassin's Creed games

Genuine question btw. I don't have much experience with the above games (outside of Witcher 3, Dragon Age Origins and Saints Row 3&4).

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Calv:

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

then why have a post game state where you can fly around and do nothing?

atleast add in the mini games like summoners court, and wand duels to be repeatable for money or something in post game.

or at the very best a repeatable dungeon like bloodbornes cairn dungeons.

Because you can do things. You can finish the field guide and the merlin trials and capture beasts and explore treasure caves etc etc

capture beasts and use them for nothing, earn xp from field guide pages to use for nothing, do merlin trials to get more gear to get money to use on... nothing.

do you see where im getting at?

sure those things are something but the point of them is moot if there is nothing to actually use the rewards for doing those on in the first place.

I have 100% the game and field guide before beating the story and now im here in post game with absolutely nothing to use my maxed out character and gear on.

I can run around for an hour and 1 shot a few underlevelled enemies. but that gets boring. etc

there is nothing wrong with having a defined end to a game. but it would be very nice to have atleast the bare minimum of basic end game repeatable content to make the post game actually something I would want to use. especially since a lot of the stuff that would allow that is already in the game and begging to be utilized.

summoners court for example could easily have say 10+ levels added to it. like a mini (story free) competition in hogsmead or something just to have fun with and have a little challenge. and let us replay it as much as we want.

or just wizarding duels at the fight club where we can fight some random npcs with random shields and spell combos with a partner for fun repeatably.

this would be very easy to implement and would flesh out the post game and make a complete character still a little fun to play with.

[Chekhov]

what is up with you cranks and blindly defending every video game on the surface of the planet? hogwarts legacy is a flawed mid level rpg, you people need to hop off the devs' ♥♥♥♥

[† Horton Hears a Hatecrime †]

6th year will be the first DLC, 7th year will be the sequel title.

[Flajsic]

Originally posted by Torgrim:

This is a singleplayer game, there is no such thing as endgame.

For those of you saying there's no endgame (another common word for it is post-game. I won't discuss which one fits more in with what but I honestly don't think there's a difference) in singleplayer games:

Basically all mainline pokémon games and most mystery dungeon ones
The World Ends With You
Astral Chain
Nier: automata (I mean like... if you know you know)
Monster Hunter Series
Nioh (and Dark Souls in some sense)
Dragon Quest series
Celeste
Red Dead Redemption
Disgea series (not played myself but it's engame content is known to be long and wild)
Most of Final Fantasy series
Super Mario Galaxy & Odyssey
Kingdom Hearts
Hades
Super Meat Boy
Hollow Knight (personal fave)
Remnant: From the Ashes
Danganronpa 1, 2 & 3
Xenoblade Chronicles 1, 2 & 3 (and maybe some of the other games in the series)

And I'm not feautring most online and/or singleplayer games like Destiny, WoW, Path of Exile etc. Mostly to prove a point but also because it's debatable wheter some of those titles should be included or not.

I personally don't care too much wheter a game has endgame or not. I'm a sucker for story games and that is often enough for me. Endgame content CAN be very (and I mean veeery) nice though.

What I'm trying to say is that endgame content isn't a must, definitely not. But a lot of endgame content in the earlier mentioned titles are really solid and fun. They also bring a lot of closure or more story content, even if it's sometimes behind some really frustrating stuff. Hogwarts Legacy had real good potential for some epic endgame content though, which I think is a shame. When I'm talking about potential I'm of course talking about things like the gear system, but mostly how the story could develop more and be even more epic.

There is this like... movement or whatever you could call it that games should have massive post- or endgame content. I think it's unreasonable to make every game have some form of endgame content, especially games where the main focus is the story. I must admit though that I can understand why people want endgame, probably because it's usually super fun. I love endgame content myself when I play it. In any case, I will come out and say that bashing a game for not having an endgame is just weird and wack to me. Enjoy the game for what it is and if by chance there's some endgame content that you want to play through after it's "ending" then that's just great! Have fun with games!!

Edit: Forgot to write RANT OVER!!! LETS GOOO