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Gamertime Feb 24, 2023 @ 1:28am
Why are there forbidden spells?
You can blow someone up with fireball and lighting but using avada cadabra is suddenly not okay even though it's basically the same outcome
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Gamertime Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:00am 
Originally posted by Vamptacus:
Originally posted by Gamertime:
You can blow someone up with fireball and lighting but using avada cadabra is suddenly not okay even though it's basically the same outcome
Apparently in the lore they slowly corrupt you and start changing your outer appearance and some other stuff as well.
Mmmmh where have I heard this before a dark power that changes your appearance and corrupts
Nomnom Victory Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:00am 
I just assumed that at this point in history the ministry was pure evil and they banned spells that they couldn't block because they were paranoid of being overthrown.

You can't send someone to Azkaban to live their life surrounded by dementors with the threat of sucking out their soul entirely if they are disobedient and then pretend to be 'the good guys'. I'm sorry but you're just evil with a fancy logo and a self-righteous attitude.

Someone doesn't become irredeemable just because they've used an 'unforgivable curse' that's just the name that the people in charge gave them because they couldn't stop people from casting them.

Life sentences aren't doled out because they're a suitable punishment for casting an 'unforgivable curse' irrespective of whatever situation it's used in. They're doled out so that the ministry can take anyone that's considered a danger to the ministries control of the magical world and lock that person away so that they can no longer threaten the ministries power.
EleventhStar Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:01am 
Originally posted by Miro Fox:
where are you getting this information?

They don't have instinct, they are controlled.

no that's the thing, they aren't and can't be controlled. the ONLY defense against them is patronus which few wizards can do and which is just a temporary solution. they are literally an unstoppable force.

the level of "control" the ministry has over them is just a pinky promise, or at best the control you have over lions in a safari zoo if the lion could walk through fences. same with voldermort. neither of them have any true control over them or can force them to do something.

which is the real interesting point about them: the reason they serve the ministry and the reason they serve voldermort are inherently at odds with eachother.

in the ministries case they are happy to just sit there on an island while basically just getting thrown some leftovers now and then, clearly they are content just sitting there.
but in voldermorts case, they are suddenly willing to do work for more/better meals, but if they have that motivation, why haven't they ever acted on it before? why did they ever put up with the ministry? why did they never leave azkaban in the hundreds of years there was no master there?
Last edited by EleventhStar; Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:03am
Vamptacus Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:03am 
Originally posted by EleventhStar:
Originally posted by Vamptacus:
Really? it actually provides tom riddle as an example of what happens to someone's appearance when using dark arts in the wiki

that's a good example. as the murder used to create that was done with an basilisk, which is dark arts but not unforgivable curse.
I'm really not sure since I just tried googling it and see if it's bad writing or not.
I read that the unforgivable curses were considered dark arts and dark arts are spells that corrupt and destroy souls and also change your appearance, I assumed that was the reason for them being unforgivable but if that's not it then I have no idea why :)
EleventhStar Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:08am 
Originally posted by Vamptacus:
I'm really not sure since I just tried googling it and see if it's bad writing or not.
I read that the unforgivable curses were considered dark arts and dark arts are spells that corrupt and destroy souls and also change your appearance, I assumed that was the reason for them being unforgivable but if that's not it then I have no idea why :)

that's pretty much the inconsistency. there are lots of dark arts, but only 3 of the least worst ones are unforgivable.
Miro Fox Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:08am 
Originally posted by EleventhStar:
Originally posted by Miro Fox:
where are you getting this information?

They don't have instinct, they are controlled.

no that's the thing, they aren't and can't be controlled. the ONLY defense against them is patronus which few wizards can do and which is just a temporary solution. they are literally an unstoppable force.

the level of "control" the ministry has over them is just a pinky promise, or at best the control you have over lions in a safari zoo if the lion could walk through fences. same with voldermort. neither of them have any true control over them or can force them to do something.

which is the real interesting point about them: the reason they serve the ministry and the reason they serve voldermort are inherently at odds with eachother.

in the ministries case they are happy to just sit there on an island while basically just getting thrown some leftovers now and then, clearly they are content just sitting there.
but in voldermorts case, they are suddenly willing to do work for more/better meals, but if they have that motivation, why haven't they ever acted on it before? why did they ever put up with the ministry? why did they never leave azkaban in the hundreds of years there was no master there?

maybe come talk to me when you're not pulling information out of your ass.

they are controlled by dark magic, read a book, or even the wiki for things.

Maybe you would'nt be so confused.
SkaldBran Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:14am 
Basically because fireballs and Lightning can be used defensively or for something other than fighting, for example, a small fireball can be used to scare off wild animals, to light a fireplace, or to destroy an inferi, but the unforgivable curses can only be casted for their intented purpose which is to kill, torture or control. and they feed off bad emotions like hate and sadness and you need to WANT it for it to really work, and Avada Kedavra isn't even the worst in my opinion, "Endoloris" is the worst, not only you need to want to hurt for it to work but you also need to ENJOY it for it to be at full strenght.

but let's be clear, you can't use the "normal" spells in any way you want tho, Incendio isn't a curse because it can be useful, but if you start to use it to light innocent people on fire in the street you're still gonna end up in Azkaban.
Last edited by SkaldBran; Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:16am
EleventhStar Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:17am 
Originally posted by Miro Fox:
maybe come talk to me when you're not pulling information out of your ass.

they are controlled by dark magic, read a book, or even the wiki for things.

Maybe you would'nt be so confused.

sure

"There were certain defences one could use against Dementors, specifically the Patronus Charm. Dementors held no true loyalty, except to whoever could provide them with the most people to feed on. They seemingly could not be destroyed, "

"Dark wizards couldn't commonly produce Patronuses. However, they did not need to do so in the first place, as they were like-minded in evil. Voldemort even stated that they were natural allies. This did not, however, prevent Dementors from imprisoning and feeding on Dark wizards in Azkaban."

the good guys can't do anything to them if they ever rose up in numbers.

and the bad guys are basically trying to take a wild animal for a ride, but you gotto wonder what happens when the bad guys run out of dementor food.

like honestly the word control is only mentioned 3 times in the article.

voldermort himself is an interesting case, since his soul is so diminished he doesn't have to be afraid they will try to eat him. but that's it, he can't just enslave them or anything.

and are they really natural allies? dark wizards obviously aren't immune to their depression aura, like why would they ever wanna be near one of them if they could help it. umbridge is a good example of that, she uses patronus so she doesn't have to feel the despair. like why wouldn't she just use dark magic instead of patronus in that situation?
Last edited by EleventhStar; Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:26am
Violent Rainbow Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:18am 
You know I wondered why transfiguration isn't unforgivable, how is turning someone into a public toilet not unforgivable?! I'd rather die!
Obliviate - no/altered memories for you. 100% fine.
EleventhStar Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:24am 
Originally posted by Violent Rainbow:
You know I wondered why transfiguration isn't unforgivable, how is turning someone into a public toilet not unforgivable?! I'd rather die!

iirc your intelligence level is also changed. so presumably you aren't consciously aware you are a toilet.

probably still a one way trip to fate worse than death azkaban though.
Gamertime Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:24am 
Originally posted by Violent Rainbow:
You know I wondered why transfiguration isn't unforgivable, how is turning someone into a public toilet not unforgivable?! I'd rather die!
Why dont they use this on prisoners in azekaban
Baphled Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:48am 
I mean, it mostly comes down to flimsy world building. There's more than a few inconsistencies like this in the wizarding world.

If you wanted to justify it, you might argue that it's easier to have the three unforgivable curses representing three unforgivable actions. Murder is still bad (Maybe? In Hogwarts Legacy, you kill a LOT of humans and goblins), but instead of saying the action is bad, they represent it with the murder spell. To be fair, the murder spell is significantly more dangerous than your average fireball, because you can't block it and it only serves the one purpose. Although also to be fair, the spell is said to be painless, which might be a benefit for situations that require euthanasia.

Or you could argue that magical individuals are a bit simple in the head. They're not particularly good at math or science. You've seen the types of puzzles and challenges that exist in the world through the books and this game. Most problems have a single spell to resolve them. So while the severing spell or throwing magical bombs is dangerous, when they think murder, torture, and mind control; they think of those three curses and lack the imagination for other spells to be used in such a way.
Link Feb 24, 2023 @ 3:59am 
Originally posted by Sgt.Shadow:
Originally posted by Gamertime:
You can blow someone up with fireball and lighting but using avada cadabra is suddenly not okay even though it's basically the same outcome
Thought that as well, I think it's because it's magic associated with famous Dark Wizards.

It's a bit like the eternal debate over the Death penalty and the life sentence. Killing someone without any pain is very very wrong at the eyes of some people, but at the eyes of those same people incarcerating someone (basically removing their freedom) for the rest of their lives is very ok (which sounds like life long torture). Double standards I think
I think it's been proven many times that lethal injection is not "without any pain"
inflatablepenguin Feb 24, 2023 @ 4:10am 
The amount of people in this thread who seemingly have no idea about Harry Potter lore. This isn't a game specific thing, this is the way it was written. The explanations of Dark Wizards and people saying abra kadabra instead of avada kedavra are hilarious though.
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