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Smookio 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 2:23
Hogwarts Legacy is better than Witcher 3, Elden Ring and Red Dead 2
Edit: For those who don't understand sarcasm, title is referring to the people who're saying these 3 games mentioned above is worse then Hogwarts Legacy. ( In Reddit, Steam Forums, Twitter, or this post ). No, Hogwarts Legacy is NOT better than them.

1. Terrible side quests. No intriguing story behind any side quests, it's just be my bitc* and collect 10/20 of these. Waste of time.

2. Terrible writing and dialogues. Main character has no personality or charisma. A literal blank wall. Most boring protagonist in any AAA game. Side characters and professor aren't better, they're just caricatures. No deep stories, conflicts or lore behind them.

3. Hogwarts is too small. Yes, there are tons of locked doors but in general, the castle is too small. In 1st hour, you've seen everything there is to see about Hogwarts. %90 of the time you're gonna pass through dark arts towers. Not to mention, dorms are useless, no sleeping students, no interactions besides eating everything you see like an obese person. Also, there are no moving staircases. Instead, they made stairs come out of nowhere, like in Lego games. Unimaginative, unoriginal, boring. Instead of making a huge ass open field with nothing to see, they should've devoted all their focus on making Hogwarts and Forbidden Forest better.

4. No Quidditch. I get that Avalanche and Portkey studios wanted to devote their time and budget into other things rather then programming AI for Quidditch. But I ask you, where is all that content? What's was so costly to make that you couldn't include Quidditch. Basic main story, okay... Side quests without deep storylines or cutscenes, no combat animations besides flicking your wand and spamming R2, okay flying physics. So WHY CAN'T WE PLAY QUIDDITCH AGAIN? THIS GAME MADE IT'S MONEY BACK JUST WITH PRE-ORDERS.

5. Enemy variety comparable to Marvel's Avengers. Like 5 types of enemy most of the time. Same models, same animations...

6. No relationships. I get that they're underage and can't go fu** everything that moves, but atleast give us options to flirt, buy gifts, etc.. I get why they couldn't do romance. Because of LGBTQ+ backlash. It's not between men and women anymore. It's really costly to record dialogues for every variety of gender attraction. ( I'm fine with all genders, not denying their existence). Scratch that, you can't even have friends.

7. No followers or companions. Harry Potter is about making friendships, and setting off on a journey along with your friends and the ones you love. They could've given us atleast 1 follower from each house.

Disclamer: I grew up with Harry Potter. I've seen them all in theatre and more then 20 times in DVDs. I played Harry Potter ps1 and ps2 games back when they first released. I really wanted this game to be REALLY GOOD. I'm just dissapointed...

PERSONA 5 is a better Harry Potter game then HOGWARTS LEGACY. Play Persona 5 instead.
最后由 Smookio 编辑于; 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 8:17
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Nightfade 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 6:25 
引用自 Smookio
引用自 Nightfade
1.) That is subjective, while I found some of the side quest boring, I like a lot of them.

2.) Of course the main character "blank" it is so the player can force their own personality on them and roleplay. Minor characters are not going to have a fleshed out stories, because they are not important. The characters that ARE fleshed out are more important.

3.) It was a good design choice to make it smaller than it is. Can you image how much more running around it would be if they didn't?

4.) Honestly the game doesn't need Quidditch. Its unimportant to the game.

5.) There are more popular games with less enemies. And it really doesn't bother me.

6.) That is not part of the genre of the game. I mean Pokemon is an RPG and there is no romance. Now, that would more as so fit in a Hogwarts simulator game. This is a high driven story game, that sticks to the story that the game wants to happen.

7.) You have followers in some missions, but a game doesn't need followers to be good?

8.) I agree with Persona 5/5 Royal is a GREAT GAME, and people should play it. But they are totally different games. Its like comparing apples to oranges.
You won an award! Thanks for providing the only productive reply among roughly 20 mostly stupid people. The other thread I deleted because it was flooded with racist and stupid comments.

Look, I don't think this is a bad game. It's definitely overhyped but what's sad is the wasted potential.

I'd prefer a main character that added something to the lore of Harry Potter. Like Darth Revan, Nihilus, Starkiller etc. did for Star Wars. No one will talk about HL's protagonist. Ik, Gordon Freeman was silent but still considered iconic. This isn't the same case.

I wouldn't mind running around and getting lost in the castle tbh.

It does need some activities, like playing animated chess maybe? Quidditch is definitely missing and there are no excuses for it. I think WB has underestimated this game's potential and haven't provided any additional budget.

But hopefully they'll improve upon the next game, which is already announced if I'm not mistaken.

I think that this game is good, but not really what a lot of people where hoping for, which made a lot of people disappointed. People, like me, LOVE Harry Potter. And would love a chance to fill a fantasy of living a life in a fantasy world.

What I think people would love to see, is a alternative universe Hogwarts game. Like The world is the same, but Harry and Voldemort never happen. No cannon characters. And make a slice-of-life game. Have the player have a character for all the years of Hogwarts, with romance, Quidditch, ect. I think that would fill of huge want in the community. But because some people knew that is not what this game was, were not as disappointed as other people.
Supgad 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 6:33 
If you've seen all there is to see within Hogwarts in one hour, you simply have your eyes shut or are willfully not paying attention. The small details and nuances of the castle that really make it sing are still revealing themselves to me after over 100 hours in the game.
seamsungg 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 6:33 
引用自 PocketYoda
引用自 Smookio
1. Terrible side quests. No intriguing story behind any side quests, it's just be my bitc* and collect 10/20 of these. Waste of time.

2. Terrible writing and dialogues. Main character has no personality or charisma. A literal blank wall. Most boring protagonist in any AAA game. Side characters and professor aren't better, they're just caricatures. No deep stories, conflicts or lore behind them.

3. Hogwarts is too small. Yes, there are tons of locked doors but in general, the castle is too small. In 1st hour, you've seen everything there is to see about Hogwarts. %90 of the time you're gonna pass through dark arts towers. Not to mention, dorms are useless, no sleeping students, no interactions besides eating everything you see like an obese person. Also, there are no moving staircases. Instead, they made stairs come out of nowhere, like in Lego games. Unimaginative, unoriginal, boring. Instead of making a huge ass open field with nothing to see, they should've devoted all their focus on making Hogwarts and Forbidden Forest better.

4. No Quidditch. I get that Avalanche and Portkey studios wanted to devote their time and budget into other things rather then programming AI for Quidditch. But I ask you, where is all that content? What's was so costly to make that you couldn't include Quidditch. Basic main story, okay... Side quests without deep storylines or cutscenes, no combat animations besides flicking your wand and spamming R2, okay flying physics. So WHY CAN'T WE PLAY QUIDDITCH AGAIN? THIS GAME MADE IT'S MONEY BACK JUST WITH PRE-ORDERS.

5. Enemy variety comparable to Marvel's Avengers. Like 5 types of enemy most of the time. Same models, same animations...

6. No relationships. I get that they're underage and can't go fu** everything that moves, but atleast give us options to flirt, buy gifts, etc.. I get why they couldn't do romance. Because of LGBTQ+ backlash. It's not between men and women anymore. It's really costly to record dialogues for every variety of gender attraction. ( I'm fine with all genders, not denying their existence). Scratch that, you can't even have friends.

7. No followers or companions. Harry Potter is about making friendships, and setting off on a journey along with your friends and the ones you love. They could've given us atleast 1 follower from each house.

Disclamer: I grew up with Harry Potter. I've seen them all in theatre and more then 20 times in DVDs. I played Harry Potter ps1 and ps2 games back when they first released. I really wanted this game to be REALLY GOOD. I'm just dissapointed...

PERSONA 5 is a better Harry Potter game then HOGWARTS LEGACY. Play Persona 5 instead.
OP doesn't understand his title is accurate, its far superior to all those or games.. no question.. i wouldn't touch those games for free let alone pay for something like Elden Ring.. Hogwarts Legacy combat murders Witcher 3 combat any day of the week and Red Dead 2 was overrated.. and its a western.. boring westerns.
lol I love every one of those games, and I am enjoying Hogwarts, yet I still refuse to say it is better than those games. It is not. Doesn't make it less, though. I still like Hogwarts. But I have almost 200 hours on Elden Ring, 90 in The Witcher, and haven't beaten them. Hogwarts Im barely touching for a reason
Gønzö 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 6:59 
Elden Ring is a one note weeby mess of a game.
Supgad 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:00 
I don't understand anyone's need to compare Elden Ring to this game. The two games don't even aspire to be similar outside of offering an open world experience.
Vosu 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:08 
引用自 Smookio
1. Terrible side quests. No intriguing story behind any side quests, it's just be my bitc* and collect 10/20 of these. Waste of time.

2. Terrible writing and dialogues. Main character has no personality or charisma. A literal blank wall. Most boring protagonist in any AAA game. Side characters and professor aren't better, they're just caricatures. No deep stories, conflicts or lore behind them.

3. Hogwarts is too small. Yes, there are tons of locked doors but in general, the castle is too small. In 1st hour, you've seen everything there is to see about Hogwarts. %90 of the time you're gonna pass through dark arts towers. Not to mention, dorms are useless, no sleeping students, no interactions besides eating everything you see like an obese person. Also, there are no moving staircases. Instead, they made stairs come out of nowhere, like in Lego games. Unimaginative, unoriginal, boring. Instead of making a huge ass open field with nothing to see, they should've devoted all their focus on making Hogwarts and Forbidden Forest better.

4. No Quidditch. I get that Avalanche and Portkey studios wanted to devote their time and budget into other things rather then programming AI for Quidditch. But I ask you, where is all that content? What's was so costly to make that you couldn't include Quidditch. Basic main story, okay... Side quests without deep storylines or cutscenes, no combat animations besides flicking your wand and spamming R2, okay flying physics. So WHY CAN'T WE PLAY QUIDDITCH AGAIN? THIS GAME MADE IT'S MONEY BACK JUST WITH PRE-ORDERS.

5. Enemy variety comparable to Marvel's Avengers. Like 5 types of enemy most of the time. Same models, same animations...

6. No relationships. I get that they're underage and can't go fu** everything that moves, but atleast give us options to flirt, buy gifts, etc.. I get why they couldn't do romance. Because of LGBTQ+ backlash. It's not between men and women anymore. It's really costly to record dialogues for every variety of gender attraction. ( I'm fine with all genders, not denying their existence). Scratch that, you can't even have friends.

7. No followers or companions. Harry Potter is about making friendships, and setting off on a journey along with your friends and the ones you love. They could've given us atleast 1 follower from each house.

Disclamer: I grew up with Harry Potter. I've seen them all in theatre and more then 20 times in DVDs. I played Harry Potter ps1 and ps2 games back when they first released. I really wanted this game to be REALLY GOOD. I'm just dissapointed...

PERSONA 5 is a better Harry Potter game then HOGWARTS LEGACY. Play Persona 5 instead.

1. I can agree with that to an extent that I still haven't completed the game fully. Still: the dialogue options upon fullfilling the quests does give you an option to set the mc's character as either good or bad.

2. Sounds like an overall HP problem. While main characters were deeply developed, side, not so much. But then again: MC does have characteristics which are your own (see point 1). The professors do have their backstories as well, as in case of Professor Hecate to point an example, or Professor Black. No character in those two? Gimme a break. Have you actually listened to the dialogue?

3. The books never described Hogwarts to be enormous, just that it had a lot of mysteries to uncover. I don't think its smaller than HP5' rendition too, or that its too small; maybe you were touched by the hype hand too much..?
I agree that the interactions with the environment should be more developed, and if you take Assassin's creed Odyssey as an example, this is a current problem within open-world games. Less interactive play and too many features. What we have are collectibles tossed at us en masse, leaving out the ideal place for peer-to-peer action in a school setting. Yeah, that one I'm disappointed with as well. Why couldn't they give us an option to become a school prankster, or a prefect, or just make miscellaneous class sessions we could attend..? Why remove point system and make it ambigous? Why remove school life altogether and turn it into "you gotta go to class to progress through the story or get an X spell"? I suppose the game's goal was to introduce the wizarding world, though still: those points should be adressed with a massive update.
The thing with the Grand Staircase also boggled my mind until I figured they opted out to make the game more casual for.. well, the casual gamers. If you take notice, even on the highest difficulty, the game isn't that hard at all. The game practically holds your hand too. Sadly, I presume Portkey wanted to reach as many an audience as possible and from all age groups, hence the simplified setting. Maybe some modder groups will enhance the environment to be more lore-friendly and actually challenging in the future..? We can hope.

4. I think you adressed that problem right there: time to program it. The due date to release the game, especially for AAA games is important to the faith of the investors, so opting out to cut some content in exchange for faster release date is understandable. A shi* move to make for the fans, yeah, but everything is money first. Again - I don't see Quidditch being released in a future update as something of a mystery or a theory at this point since brooms are still there to be used. We just gotta wait for it, is all. And think this way: if they released that content along with the game, buggy and unfinished, would you be happy it was there? On the other hand: would you be willing to wait even longer until that was finished? The answers are easy, please be an adult and answer them in such a manner.

5. See point 3. Its to make the game easier for the casuals. Modders, assemble, I guess.

6. You can have friends. You have side-missions that develop with certain characters. True, they cannot "join your party" and that's annoying for sure, though, isn't the premise supposed to be a "your story"..? At any rate, who knows what will they add in the future? Maybe a coop multiplayer where you and your friends join in together?
The romance stuff is sure a thorn. It is a school setting after all with tons of hormone-driven teenagers who are known to be a rather flirtatious speciemen. Then again - the woke agenda and the fear-stricken publishers.. eh, let's hope that pathetic era where a tiny group of individual of just as equally pathetic people ends soon and for good. It's becoming an annoyance.. then again - modders. They did make quite a lot of romance mods in the past, Morrowind's one to be a good example here. Maybe they'll also make a "remove woke-trash" mod as well while they're at it? Hopefully they will.

7. See point 6.

Yeah, I also grew up with the books (got my first as a 7 yo, over 23 years ago) and preffer them over the movies too, and although the movies were good on their own, they do not depict the WW all too well anyway, even though they're very good.
Think of this game, I'd advise, as a new section in the WW altogether, same as the books vs the movies. Or, keep complaining on the forums that the devs will never read, because why should they..? They made the money in abundance from the game, and even deflected the woke trash with some finely-threaded simplified doublespeak innuendos like: instead of MC being "he, she" it's "they.." of my, how inclusive, there are also students and Professors from abroad, how inclusive indeed! And in the 1800s, too, might it be that the WW was never similar to the muggle world in that regard..? Might it.. be not correlated to the real-life ideologies, oh my?!
At any rate: at least its not a bad game, alas, as with every new release of an over-hyped title, threads like this only serve to prove that most people are too impatient. You can guess from a few moments of gameplay that the upcoming updates/DLCs will fill-in what is missing, and I can only guess we'll receive more content than the devs are letting on, especially since the game is as elastic as it is with modding-availability.

Edit:
Btw, I haven't played either Red Dead or Elden ring, but from what I know of these two games only Red Dead is a good comparison when it comes to open-world setting, while ER is... a very bad example to put against Hog's. Like.. one is a boss-simulator, the other is.. a traditional open-world with normal char progression, actually populated world, non-amibguous linear plot and all of that which RPG includes. Why compare these two..? Why not use the usual Skyrim, just as a throw title of "well, this game had this and that, and this one doesn't, I'm upset because A-reason."
Btw, I do enjoy pointing out the obvious as it is so obviously glaring with the simplicity of the problem, here it being: "waah, waah, I expected it to be just as I dreamed!"
The reality is different, and all children and wokists should take note of it: it isn't as you imagine it but, as the word should suggest: it is the reality with its own understandable limits. Eg.: men cannot bear children because we aren't at that technological level and, or, it is biologically impossible. Or, as it is in case of the video games: we are still long ways behind unlocking the true potential of video game technologies of, say, .hack-esque neural reality (neural link, maybe..?) or games that have everything we dream they could have within them, like plausible and realistic environments (say, plants being polluted by bees, growing naturlly out of pollen and seeds, animals having their own cycles of birth and death with apex predators at the top..) or settings (like fully fullfilled school-life). This should be understood, btw.

Edit2: and don't take that "children and wokists.." part as an attack or offense. Just a figure of speech :P
最后由 Vosu 编辑于; 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:39
Supgad 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:15 
引用自 Vosu
1. I can agree with that to an extent that I still haven't completed the game fully. Still: the dialogue options upon fullfilling the quests does give you an option to set the mc's character as either good or bad.

This is an exceptionally generous take.

The illusion of choice, the suggestion of morality, does not imply choice or morality.

You can steal Zenobia's gobstones; you can extort Cressida for money after returning her diary; you can withhold the knowledge behind the moth frames from Lenora; you can learn and wantonly use the Unforgivable Curses with impunity; you can choose to open the final repository; you turn your best friend into Azkaban.

None of it matters, because you're ultimately always the good guy at the end of the game, and everyone loves you.

Please do not suggest for a moment that you can dictate whether or not your character is discernibly and tangibly 'good' or 'evil' in this game, outside of roleplaying that decision in your own mind. The game world does not play out around you any differently, regardless which options or route you take.
KILLA 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:20 
the game is good...without garbage performance it would be like a 7 or 8 out of 10 but its nowhere near rdr2 , witcher 3 or elden ring....i get if your a fanboy/girl giving this game 9 or even 10/10(which can be seen from steam review score) but realistically its just a good game nothing exceptional.
最后由 KILLA 编辑于; 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:21
jclosed 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:20 
I like Hogwarts Legacy and The Wicher 3. I hate Elden Ring, because I simply don't like all that Dark Souls stuff.

There you have it. Reasons? I don't need to defend any of that, because that's my taste and only I can decide if I like it or not. I don't need any wall of text.

Simple as that...
KILLA 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:25 
引用自 Pandzia
I agree with Hogwarts being better than Elden Ring and RDR 2, but witcher? no.. Witcher is long time play, better story literally everything "better" Hogwarts won't beat that. It's enough game is amazing, rdr2 boring as hell, elden ring death simulator and generally boring too.
i really dont get your take unless you are a fan of the franchise...rdr2 has one of the best stories in any video game and elden ring in terms of gameplay is extremely good not just a death simulator if you are an above average player. but with witcher i do agree its my all time favourite...hogwarts legacy for me is just a good game that will be forgotten in a year or so by everyone except fans of the franchise
KILLA 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:29 
引用自 jclosed
I like Hogwarts Legacy and The Wicher 3. I hate Elden Ring, because I simply don't like all that Dark Souls stuff.

There you have it. Reasons? I don't need to defend any of that, because that's my taste and only I can decide if I like it or not. I don't need any wall of text.

Simple as that...
hogwarts is a good game but what does it do thats exceptional....rdr2 had the story...elden ring the gameplay and witcher 3 is basically the closest we have to perfection ...hogwarts does alot of stuff at a really good level but nothing that would be seen as a standout amongst these other games.
Vosu 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:36 
引用自 Supgad
引用自 Vosu
1. I can agree with that to an extent that I still haven't completed the game fully. Still: the dialogue options upon fullfilling the quests does give you an option to set the mc's character as either good or bad.

This is an exceptionally generous take.

The illusion of choice, the suggestion of morality, does not imply choice or morality.

You can steal Zenobia's gobstones; you can extort Cressida for money after returning her diary; you can withhold the knowledge behind the moth frames from Lenora; you can learn and wantonly use the Unforgivable Curses with impunity; you can choose to open the final repository; you turn your best friend into Azkaban.

None of it matters, because you're ultimately always the good guy at the end of the game, and everyone loves you.

Please do not suggest for a moment that you can dictate whether or not your character is discernibly and tangibly 'good' or 'evil' in this game, outside of roleplaying that decision in your own mind. The game world does not play out around you any differently, regardless which options or route you take.

Oh well, I did write I still haven't completed the game. I stand corrected over this issue then, and take your side on it. It does grinds my gears that you cannot truly become evil in video games, most of the times. I think its either woke agenda at play or a big omission here. Hopefully that will be adressed in the future.
sno0ks 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:38 
It's their first real game and it shows. I still like it, but it's basically a mediocre AA game with a AAA IP and graphics.
Drake Ravenwolf 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:43 
Ya, the longer you play the more shallow the game feels; your choices not really changing much, the gameplay loop getting repetitive rather quickly, etc
RDR2, Witcher 3 had much better story arcs, and the gameplay loop for Elden Ring was much more diverse
PocketYoda 2023 年 2 月 22 日 上午 7:44 
引用自 sno0ks
It's their first real game and it shows. I still like it, but it's basically a mediocre AA game with a AAA IP and graphics.
I own over 1300 games.. its not my first game.
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