There really ought to be a Morality System in Hogwarts Legacy...

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

It really seems off that you can both learn and use Unforgivable Curses in this game with no consequences whatsoever. Honestly, they're called "Unforgivable" Curses for a reason, they're illegal, immoral, and completely unethical, yet Hogwarts Legacy trivializes them by enabling the player to use them without any repercussions whatsoever, and in so doing is bound to set an unsavory precedent for future games among players who are unfamiliar with the lore and don't understand that use of Unforgivable Curses is strictly forbidden within the Wizarding World and would be treated like a warcrime, even if it was used exclusively against Dark Wizards.

It really strikes as baffling that the developers chose to make Unforgivable Curses so accessible to players with absolutely no downside whatsoever. Use of Unforgivable Curses in Hogwarts Legacy really ought to be met with at least stronger in-game reactions by other characters, including broken friendships, damaged reputation, and even threats of being reported, if not outright changing the story, making you into a fugitive, and effecting the game's ending.

Hopefully in future titles they'll implement some form of morality system, but if they do then they're bound to receive some criticism from all the folks who will no doubt abuse Unforgivable Curses in this game and come to enjoy the fact that the Dark Arts can be so freely used.

[Avoid Spirit]

Originally posted by Moist Butt:

Originally posted by Avoid Spirit:

That's the point. The brand sells.
However it's still not worth $60 cause it's not even close to the games that are good and similarly priced.

well there really hasn't been a HP game like this before so there's no bar to compare to so to speak. Basically its worth it if u wanted a HP open world game. Its not worth it if u wanted a RPG game.

I'm sorry but that doesn't really make sense.
I'm comparing quality and effort put into the game to the games in the same categories/genres.
Are people so starved for an HP game they're willing to pay full price for a mediocrity? Sure.
Does this put this game beside the giants of the industry? Hell, no.

[M]

I mean, its not only morality standing on shivering knees. the player can see and use old magic, which has been forgotten and is vastly unexplored and unknown to most teachers, yet professor pip encourages the player to use it. see, what I mean? in reality, such a old magic wizard wouldnt even be allowed to summon a chewing gum, because its simply far too dangerous. but yeah, I see, where the game is going. kill dozens of people, be sadistic and totally evil. is it cool? the game teaches not to value life, I think, thats it in a nutshell, what I wanted to say.

[CheeseLord]

Illegal, and immoral? Tell me, if someone brutally tortured and killed a group of puppies in front of you, you would avada kedavra them too, wouldn't you?

[Moist Butt]

Originally posted by Avoid Spirit:

Originally posted by Moist Butt:

well there really hasn't been a HP game like this before so there's no bar to compare to so to speak. Basically its worth it if u wanted a HP open world game. Its not worth it if u wanted a RPG game.

I'm sorry but that doesn't really make sense.
I'm comparing quality and effort put into the game to the games in the same categories/genres.
Are people so starved for an HP game they're willing to pay full price for a mediocrity? Sure.
Does this put this game beside the giants of the industry? Hell, no.

"Over the years I've played many games of outstanding quality costing me <=$30.
To name some:
- Ori (1 and 2)"

You are the one that's not making any sense.
The first game you listed isn't even in the same genre or category. You made things confusing with your prev posts.

Anyways that's beside the point. No one is saying this is the GOY or anything. I thought we were talking about value here. Ppl play games for different reasons. I am saying its worth the money for HP fan because it does have that much value for those ppl. I don't think anyone is saying this is better than witcher 3 or elden ring in terms of gameplay mechanics or is even in the same level.

[Avoid Spirit]

Originally posted by CheeseLord:

Illegal, and immoral? Tell me, if someone brutally tortured and killed a group of puppies in front of you, you would avada kedavra them too, wouldn't you?

The problem I see with this story line is that they(professors) have never told her why this magic is so bad, like not a single reason beyond "we are not comfortable with it". Even the father thing, it's never shown that she's aware what happened to him. And then they just blast her with the curse. It's so dumb it's funny. You're then told that "the looks are deceiving" and all I was thinking to myself was "True that, the professors are absolute morons, like the blindest, most incompetent bunch of folk one could find around the lands".

[Aetrion]

I agree, there aren't enough consequences for going full on dark magic in this game. It's also just jarring the way your character has this wide eyed enthusiasm about everything and loves petting animals and stuff but then also tortures people to death on occasion.

There is just a lore disconnect there. The reason why those curses in particular are considered unforgivable is because they require pure intent to work. As in, you can't cast a killing curse unless you want the person dead. Not stopped, not neutralized, not punished, just dead. It's first degree murder as a spell. That's why in a world where every random person carries a lethal arsenal in their pocket those spells are considered beyond the pale.

[Avoid Spirit]

Originally posted by Moist Butt:

Originally posted by Avoid Spirit:

I'm sorry but that doesn't really make sense.
I'm comparing quality and effort put into the game to the games in the same categories/genres.
Are people so starved for an HP game they're willing to pay full price for a mediocrity? Sure.
Does this put this game beside the giants of the industry? Hell, no.

"Over the years I've played many games of outstanding quality costing me <=$30.
To name some:
- Ori (1 and 2)"

You are the one that's not making any sense.
The first game you listed isn't even in the same genre or category. You made things confusing with your prev posts.

Anyways that's beside the point. No one is saying this is the GOY or anything. I thought we were talking about value here. Ppl play games for different reasons. I am saying its worth the money for HP fan because it does have that much value for those ppl. I don't think anyone is saying this is better than witcher 3 or elden ring in terms of gameplay mechanics or is even in the same level.

Value is subjective, you're right here. You could absolutely sell a bottle of water for a million to a man in a desert.
I'm looking at it from a different angle though. I'm looking at it picturing an effort/buck chart.
It's definitely not up there so it's not worth the price. The fact that the lazy developer is still asking for such a price is somewhat disingenuous at best.

[BlueFountain]

(3 pages so sorry if I repeat something)

Wish there was even a basic Mass Effect style Morality system too. Like I can be nice and give things back, or extort people for money/items. I steal money/items from shop owners and they don't care. Just learnt Alohamora(sp?) and I'm now breaking into homes and taking stuff sometimes even with the owners inside and no one cares.

So yeah, big drop of the ball there.

[nwad]

Maybe the devs are trying to send a message.

[Moist Butt]

Originally posted by Avoid Spirit:

Originally posted by Moist Butt:

"Over the years I've played many games of outstanding quality costing me <=$30.
To name some:
- Ori (1 and 2)"

You are the one that's not making any sense.
The first game you listed isn't even in the same genre or category. You made things confusing with your prev posts.

Anyways that's beside the point. No one is saying this is the GOY or anything. I thought we were talking about value here. Ppl play games for different reasons. I am saying its worth the money for HP fan because it does have that much value for those ppl. I don't think anyone is saying this is better than witcher 3 or elden ring in terms of gameplay mechanics or is even in the same level.

Value is subjective, you're right here. You could absolutely sell a bottle of water for a million to a man in a desert.
I'm looking at it from a different angle though. I'm looking at it picturing an effort/buck chart.
It's definitely not up there so it's not worth the price. The fact that the lazy developer is still asking for such a price is somewhat disingenuous at best.

if you are judging purely on effort/buck then yea I agree with u. The game isn't long so u expect the content to be good, but been seeing a lot of fetch x or kill x. I think what they did put effort in was the world building (at least hogwarts castle) and the player home system (pretty good for "rpg" standards).

I mean its pretty common for AAA studios to charge over priced product so its not like they are particularly bad here. I have my fair share of triple A games and from my experience majority of them have horrible practices when it comes to pricing.

[Icy1007]

I'm playing a 100% good wizard and aren't going to learn any of the unforgivable curses.

[Truen]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

I'm playing a 100% good wizard and aren't going to learn any of the unforgivable curses.

Learning may not be optional from what I can see, but practicing them or using them--I'm doing the same on this play through. After that I plan on being as wicked as possible (which isn't very, but still) as a Ravenclaw.

[Avoid Spirit]

Originally posted by Moist Butt:

Originally posted by Avoid Spirit:

Value is subjective, you're right here. You could absolutely sell a bottle of water for a million to a man in a desert.
I'm looking at it from a different angle though. I'm looking at it picturing an effort/buck chart.
It's definitely not up there so it's not worth the price. The fact that the lazy developer is still asking for such a price is somewhat disingenuous at best.

if you are judging purely on effort/buck then yea I agree with u. The game isn't long so u expect the content to be good, but been seeing a lot of fetch x or kill x. I think what they did put effort in was the world building (at least hogwarts castle) and the player home system (pretty good for "rpg" standards).

I mean its pretty common for AAA studios to charge over priced product so its not like they are particularly bad here. I have my fair share of triple A games and from my experience majority of them have horrible practices when it comes to pricing.

You're right here. I'm not saying this studio has started it all. Ubisoft is probably the most renown for it lately and I feel the same way about them.
I was criticizing the "cut them some slack, it's their first open-world game" argument.
It's either "their first game" which warrants the price for some reason or it's the same old song and dance of """"""Triple A""""""" titles. No you can't have the cake and eat it too.

[JaM1e]

A morale system similar to what Fable had would have been perfect, characters appearance changing the more you use the curses, people reacting to you and getting different dialogue options etc.

Would love to have had dementors and the ministry coming for you. Never mind I'll continue to curse and kill everything in sight while being a happy go larry chap!

[xnamxoutlawx]

Originally posted by Avoid Spirit:

Originally posted by Moist Butt:

if you are judging purely on effort/buck then yea I agree with u. The game isn't long so u expect the content to be good, but been seeing a lot of fetch x or kill x. I think what they did put effort in was the world building (at least hogwarts castle) and the player home system (pretty good for "rpg" standards).

I mean its pretty common for AAA studios to charge over priced product so its not like they are particularly bad here. I have my fair share of triple A games and from my experience majority of them have horrible practices when it comes to pricing.

You're right here. I'm not saying this studio has started it all. Ubisoft is probably the most renown for it lately and I feel the same way about them.
I was criticizing the "cut them some slack, it's their first open-world game" argument.
It's either "their first game" which warrants the price for some reason or it's the same old song and dance of """"""Triple A""""""" titles. No you can't have the cake and eat it too.

A price cut? That's just not how things work unless you feel like cutting the development time as well. The whole cut them some slacks it's their first game in this genre does fit though have you ever seen sequels that completely blow the first game away because the developers are more experienced in said genre? Let's give me examples.

Uncharted 2, Arkham City, Borderlands 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill 2, Tekken 2, Street Fighter 2, Half Life 2, God Of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Assassin's Creed 2,

The list goes on and on this is not something new asking for a developer to say lower their price just because it's a new genre to them and they were not able to fit all they wanted into the game because of deadlines really doesn't make sense.