How is Natsai from Uganda when it wasn’t a country until 1962?

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Isn’t this game set in 1899? Edit: apparently the game is set in 1890.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af temps:

Yeah Britain didn't have a large population of Ugandans during the time period Hogwarts Legacy takes place in either (1890). Britain was almost entirely composed of European peoples then.

It doesn't really make much sense people from Uganda would be traveling to Hogwarts for school either as in the Harry Potter world there are schools corresponding to different regions, with Hogwarts being the English one, Beauxbatons Academy of Magic being the French one, Durmstrang representing another region, and presumably Uganda with it's own separate wizard school.

Obviously it doesn't make sense for Natsai to be there and the writers just did it for political correctness / "diversity" reasons. If they wanted to have Ugandan students they should have made a game in the setting of the Ugandan school instead of Hogwarts.

I guess that's the current state of the video game culture these days... being politically correct is more important than being logical and consistent with the lore of the game world.

um Uganda is one of the SEVERAL Afrcian countires that the Britsh Empire Controlled in the 1890s. I don't have a clue why there'a Korean (Mr. Moon) in the game because I'm pretty sure Korea wasn't part of the British Empire

But Africa countries (Egypt, Sudan, Uganda, etc )
New Zealand
Austrila

Asian countries:
Hong Kong
Singapore
Mayliasa
India


There's a south America country which sounds very simliar to a African country but the British Empire controlled there too


here's a postage stamp from my country which shows how large Empire suppoedly was
[img]https://i.imgur.com/XacTS1I.png[/img]

I'm reposting this because of the amount of times people come with facts and it gets ignored this is great because it shows just how much other people just say things without any basis in reality just to suit their narrative so thank you for posting this annedoe and bringing factual evidence to this conversation once more.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af annedoe:

um Uganda is one of the SEVERAL Afrcian countires that the Britsh Empire Controlled in the 1890s. I don't have a clue why there'a Korean (Mr. Moon) in the game because I'm pretty sure Korea wasn't part of the British Empire

But Africa countries (Egypt, Sudan, Uganda, etc )
New Zealand
Austrila

Asian countries:
Hong Kong
Singapore
Mayliasa
India


There's a south America country which sounds very simliar to a African country but the British Empire controlled there too


here's a postage stamp from my country which shows how large Empire suppoedly was
[img]https://i.imgur.com/XacTS1I.png[/img]

I'm reposting this because of the amount of times people come with facts and it gets ignored this is great because it shows just how much other people just say things without any basis in reality just to suit their narrative so thank you for posting this annedoe and bringing factual evidence to this conversation once more.

it helps that I'm a history buff. And as I mentioned early on in the thread that at this time period that the British Empire was known as "The Empire where the Sun Never Set".. because if it was night in one Country (Canada) -it was day in Hong Kong, and New Zealand

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Eiswolfin:

Oprindeligt skrevet af temps:

Yeah Britain didn't have a large population of Ugandans during the time period Hogwarts Legacy takes place in either (1890). Britain was almost entirely composed of European peoples then.

It doesn't really make much sense people from Uganda would be traveling to Hogwarts for school either as in the Harry Potter world there are schools corresponding to different regions, with Hogwarts being the English one, Beauxbatons Academy of Magic being the French one, Durmstrang representing another region, and presumably Uganda with it's own separate wizard school.

Obviously it doesn't make sense for Natsai to be there and the writers just did it for political correctness / "diversity" reasons. If they wanted to have Ugandan students they should have made a game in the setting of the Ugandan school instead of Hogwarts.

I guess that's the current state of the video game culture these days... being politically correct is more important than being logical and consistent with the lore of the game world.

You clearly haven't played the game. Natty is there at the school because Hogwart's hired her mom to be the professor of divination. So yes, it does make sense for Natty to be there.

Because the English are crap wizards by the lack of English professors at Hogwarts.

[Toki]

Because fiction writers are some of the most uneducated "educated" people

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How does this get to 10 pages long thread, I am genuinely confused.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Eiswolfin:

Oprindeligt skrevet af temps:

Yeah Britain didn't have a large population of Ugandans during the time period Hogwarts Legacy takes place in either (1890). Britain was almost entirely composed of European peoples then.

It doesn't really make much sense people from Uganda would be traveling to Hogwarts for school either as in the Harry Potter world there are schools corresponding to different regions, with Hogwarts being the English one, Beauxbatons Academy of Magic being the French one, Durmstrang representing another region, and presumably Uganda with it's own separate wizard school.

Obviously it doesn't make sense for Natsai to be there and the writers just did it for political correctness / "diversity" reasons. If they wanted to have Ugandan students they should have made a game in the setting of the Ugandan school instead of Hogwarts.

I guess that's the current state of the video game culture these days... being politically correct is more important than being logical and consistent with the lore of the game world.

You clearly haven't played the game. Natty is there at the school because Hogwart's hired her mom to be the professor of divination. So yes, it does make sense for Natty to be there.

exactly and not to mention the fact that its literally 1 transfer student we are speaking about here yet they speak about it as if its half the school its pathetic at this point just today alone i've seen these same lack luster arguments being made ''there were no bla bla in the 1800's'' people seem to forget hogwarts itself is sentient and often uses mirrors or other magical items to inform the professors and the headmaster on which students would be a great fit for hogwarts....the castle can literally call for any child to come to hogwarts no matter where they are in the world....either the headmaster or a professor will go and collect them or a letter will be sent to them.

the castle does this kind of thing in various ways so this idea of ''there were no bla bla in the 1800's'' is just another mask these cry babies continuously use they don't care about continuity they are just crying because of some representation being shown in the series that has ALREADY been referenced before in the books and 2 of the movies.

its the same dogsh**t argument that gets debunked every single time and they just choose to repeat it they don't actually care about facts of lore or the real world either....constantly trying to use the real world statistics that barely weigh in their favour while overlooking the lore of the wizarding world hogwarts isn't 1800's British isles its f**ng hogwarts so the representation of minority races is more believable especially since the majority of hogwarts attendants are not even Scottish despite hogwarts being located there most of the children are from London or other British isles and a small majority of those who are not from British isles are usually from extremely far off places the actual minority in hogwarts are American's.

all these people do is constantly make threads about this stuff trying to claim its just about being historically accurate but this isn't kingdom come deliverance it seems they don't understand what game this is and they don't know sh**t about harry potter lore.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af S3b4st13n:

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Unfortunately you are misremembering. During your introductory dialogue with Natty, she talks about being a transfer student from Uagadou and that Before she knew it she "had left Uganda and was halfway around the world...".

I can't speak to OPs intentions, though I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and I've seen no post by them on this thread to indicate they were acting in bad faith.

Their intentions aside, the point they make is valid.

Uganda did not exist in 1890, it was the Kingdom of Buganda and a few other places before they all signed a treaty and it became the protectorate.

Additionally, Natty mentions being from Matabeleland in Zimbabwe.
This is also wrong because Zimbabwe didnt get it's modern name until 1980. Prior to that it was Rhodesia (1895) and before that, it was Zambesia.

Without judgment, I speculate that the HL writers simply didn't bother looking into the history of these two countries.
And I believe the removal of the date from the newspaper was one way they went about ignoring it; since fixing it would likely be too costly.

Edit: I'm speaking under correct when I'm talking about Natty mentioning Zimbabwe; right now I can't for the life of me recall if she actually said "Zimbabwe" or not.

[Frizbee]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Gønzö:

Isn’t this game set in 1899? Edit: apparently the game is set in 1890.

In 1894, Uganda became a protectorate of the British Empire, and in 1962 the United Kingdom granted independence to Uganda.

But before then, it was still a place. It didn't just spring into existence in the 1890's.

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onto the thing about hogwarts being sentient, theres a room with every student that has been and currently active students being constantly written you can stumble upon. so it doesnt matter where youre from in the world of magic if the giant living castle decides you go there chances are you probably will go there. even if you are not from the country its in.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af S3b4st13n:

Oprindeligt skrevet af V:

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Unfortunately you are misremembering. During your introductory dialogue with Natty, she talks about being a transfer student from Uagadou and that Before she knew it she "had left Uganda and was halfway around the world...".

I can't speak to OPs intentions, though I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and I've seen no post by them on this thread to indicate they were acting in bad faith.

Their intentions aside, the point they make is valid.

Uganda did not exist in 1890, it was the Kingdom of Buganda and a few other places before they all signed a treaty and it became the protectorate.

Additionally, Natty mentions being from Matabeleland in Zimbabwe.
This is also wrong because Zimbabwe didnt get it's modern name until 1980. Prior to that it was Rhodesia (1895) and before that, it was Zambesia.

Without judgment, I speculate that the HL writers simply didn't bother looking into the history of these two countries.
And I believe the removal of the date from the newspaper was one way they went about ignoring it; since fixing it would likely be too costly.

*snip* i struck what i last said on this! i checked the dialogue on youtube you are right she did say uganda after saying uagadou so i will be fair and accept i was wrong on that particular thing.

but in my opinion you are at least engaging with this thread in good faith at least that's what it feels like to me and the rest of my sentiment with regards to people even complaining about this character stays the same because as i said before hogwarts would find students itself being as that the castle is sentient and would find students from all over the world its not unrealistic that the castle would invite natty especially since her mom was coming to hogwarts to teach anyway, i believe the castle was not involved in this particular situation and that it was just her mom bringing her and transferring her but the castle still finds students all over the world in general.

this idea that in the 1800's any certain race shouldn't be there is just plain retardation because of this fact alone.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Frizbee:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Gønzö:

Isn’t this game set in 1899? Edit: apparently the game is set in 1890.

In 1894, Uganda became a protectorate of the British Empire, and in 1962 the United Kingdom granted independence to Uganda.

But before then, it was still a place. It didn't just spring into existence in the 1890's.

I think this is a good notion to point out that isn't stressed enough, it could also be that the dev's for simplicity would refer to things so they could be recognised further more its a magical world and wizards and witches are known to be ahead of muggles so i find it hilarious that anyone would try to hold wizards and witches to muggle standards it could be argued that they would know what the name of the nation would be called and preferred to use that (THAT IS A REACH lol) but either way the place still existed and if people are crying over just the fact its called uganda or any other name i think its a failed attempt at masking their prejudice with wanting continuity because i'm pretty sure a few other countries are not called the names they were called in that time yet people have no problem with those do they? i think in general its a pathetic attempt to hide their uncomfortability with diverse characters.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af V:

Oprindeligt skrevet af S3b4st13n:

Apart from the Wizarding aspects, minor geographical and historical differences everything else is exactly parallel to world history.

The calendars are exactly the same however, unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
Rowling didn't change the rotation and orbit of the Earth to suite her story, and neither did HL writers.

Occums Razor shows that, speculatively, the writers made a mistake re: Uganda naming, and instead of rewriting entire dialogues, redoing voice actors lines, and changing subtitle text to fix the mistake, they simply chose to remove the year from the newspaper.

Edit: I'm not judging them for this, BTW. I'm merely providing a possible reason as to the inaccurate naming.

No you are pretty much 100% right and also in the game they don't even reference it as uganda she quite literally says she's from uagadou which is a place in uganda so this thread is pretty much trash.

i've never heard even once the word uganda in the game so his complaint is just because he don't like the representation like most of the threads popping up about their fragile crying that some chocolate is in their game now.

Most likely got banned for the very same sentiments of talking crap and making dumb threads like these.

You may not have heard it, but it's literally the first interaction you have with her. It's disgusting that you accuse the OP of disliking representation when his post has nothing to do with it. He's literally just saying Uganda wasn't called Uganda in the period that the game is set in. Don't be so quick to accuse people of malice, its not a good reflection on you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap19vto_arE

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Lol is there a hogwarts in our current universe, is there magic... no so maybe its just an alternative universer where uganda always excisted or is there somewhere in the lore of the hp universe that uganda followed our known history? (i mean are you comparing a fantasy world to true world history. Its kinda...

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Krazy Wallet:

You may not have heard it, but it's literally the first interaction you have with her. It's disgusting that you accuse the OP of disliking representation when his post has nothing to do with it. He's literally just saying Uganda wasn't called Uganda in the period that the game is set in. Don't be so quick to accuse people of malice, its not a good reflection on you.

To be fair, they were wrong the first two times, when they thought Uganda was not a thing before 1962 and then thinking the game takes place in 1899. Plus it's still not at all clear whether Uganda was called Uganda before 1894.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Gønzö:

Isn’t this game set in 1899? Edit: apparently the game is set in 1890.

Think for a moment. What was there before 1962? You know, "before" Uganda apparently existed... Was there just a big stretch of open sea, or was it just a barren landscape covered in volumetric fog?

Seriously. The country gained it's independence from Great Britain in 1962, but it certainly existed before then, and it wasn't like they won their independence and said "Oh wait! We need to have a name. Let's call our home 'Uganda'!" Those people had been there for quite some time prior to catching the eye of the British Empire.

Also, it was in 1894 that the UK imperialism tour came to Uganda so it's kind of surprising Natti didn't have anything to say about obnoxious Brits cluttering up the place and demanding tea and tributes for no reason.

[Krazy Wallet]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aria Athena:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Krazy Wallet:

You may not have heard it, but it's literally the first interaction you have with her. It's disgusting that you accuse the OP of disliking representation when his post has nothing to do with it. He's literally just saying Uganda wasn't called Uganda in the period that the game is set in. Don't be so quick to accuse people of malice, its not a good reflection on you.

To be fair, they were wrong the first two times, when they thought Uganda was not a thing before 1962 and then thinking the game takes place in 1899. Plus it's still not at all clear whether Uganda was called Uganda before 1894.

I'm not calling in the legitimacy of the OP's claim. Everything you said may very well be true. I'm calling out that the fact that the person I replied to was incorrect about Uganda not being mentioned in the game and their conclusion that the OP has an issue with representation based on the OP. I have no idea what happened in the 19 pages after haha but the OP does not appear to be voicing any concerns or issues about representation. Taking it in the racism direction is the thing I had the issue with as it appeared to be uncalled for.

I'm not a historian so I won't argue for or against the actual timeline of Uganda becoming Uganda :)