How many people using unforgivables?

[LowIQ]

I noticed how easy they make the game and that they're objectively superior but how many people are trying not to use them and why?

Always seemed kinda crazy to me that the wizarding world thought it wasn't ok to instantly kill a guy but thought blowing them up or setting them on fire etc. was just fine?

[Faptor]

The second they became available I started using them MuhahaHhah

On my next play through ill be a goody-goody and reject learning them.

[Batailleuse]

Juts finished the game, refused to learn or use any of the unforgivable curse.

you definitely don't need them, and technically "transformation" does the same as Avada Kedavra, which is, One shot an enemy. since it will transform them into an explosive barrel ... which you can then proceed to throw on other pack of enemies for extra damage/shield breaking.

so i would say, Transformation > avada kedavra. unless you managed to curse everyone before casting it and then it just one shot everyone.

and for say ... trolls, Avada is just superior.

[LowIQ]

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Juts finished the game, refused to learn or use any of the unforgivable curse.

you definitely don't need them, and technically "transformation" does the same as Avada Kedavra, which is, One shot an enemy. since it will transform them into an explosive barrel ... which you can then proceed to throw on other pack of enemies for extra damage/shield breaking.

so i would say, Transformation > avada kedavra. unless you managed to curse everyone before casting it and then it just one shot everyone.

and for say ... trolls, Avada is just superior.

Cursing everyone is easy though with just 2 talent points. You use crucio with talent and then use normal shots and it releases bursts of curse that curse other targerts and imperio also curses but with its talent everyone the imperio lad hits gets cursed as well. Whole room dead in 3 spells easy

[Halfalfasleep]

One of my favorite parts of the game so far is that one of your party members has the wizarding equivalent of the "yes, private citizens should be allowed to own nukes" mentality.

I'm not torturing goblins to death because I enjoy it, but because it needs to be done.

[Nepnep]

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The second they became available I started using them MuhahaHhah

On my next play through ill be a goody-goody and reject learning them.

Does it affect the quest? I kind of want that guy to get a happy ending by doing all the dirty stuff for him but if he is going to do the deed anyway then I'm staying where there are no cookies.


Also iirc (and my memory is crabsticks) the Unforgivables need the caster to REAALLLLLY want someone to suffer/dead to work. Like if you blow them someone up and kill them you can do it out of necessity or hatred. But to Avada/Crucio someone you need to really really REALLY want them dead or feel excruciating pain with every fiber in your body. (which is why its unforgivable. Cause there is no "oops" excuse.)

[LowIQ]

İlk olarak Halfalfasleep tarafından gönderildi:

One of my favorite parts of the game so far is that one of your party members has the wizarding equivalent of the "yes, private citizens should be allowed to own nukes" mentality.

I'm not torturing goblins to death because I enjoy it, but because it needs to be done.

"Look, nobody enjoys torturing goblins, but if you HAVE TO torture goblins, then well you might as well enjoy it"

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İlk olarak Faptor tarafından gönderildi:

The second they became available I started using them MuhahaHhah

On my next play through ill be a goody-goody and reject learning them.

Does it affect the quest? I kind of want that guy to get a happy ending by doing all the dirty stuff for him but if he is going to do the deed anyway then I'm staying where there are no cookies.


Also iirc (and my memory is crabsticks) the Unforgivables need the caster to REAALLLLLY want someone to suffer/dead to work. Like if you blow them someone up and kill them you can do it out of necessity or hatred. But to Avada/Crucio someone you need to really really REALLY want them dead or feel excruciating pain with every fiber in your body. (which is why its unforgivable. Cause there is no "oops" excuse.)

Surely this'd just make the legal system a lot simpler? Like the act proves intent and now all you have to prove is whether or not it was justified. Other spells you could just lie about. What you described is a gun that puts its own safety on if you point it at someone you don't wanna kill.

[VenomB]

From what I understand, its intent.

You can accidentally cast the normal magics, even to the point of harming yourself (not in the game, from what I can tell).

But the 3 unforgivable curses require pure intent to kill and harm. You're not just casting a fire spell, regardless of what the fire is going to do after casted. You're not using magic to create an invisible force to physically manipulate things or people. You're not charming an object. You're actively and directly using magic to cause direct harm, death, and/or mind control. Even the ancient magic is different in this regard, except for maybe the one where you zap someone with a ton of magic and basically explode them. That one might be questionable..... lmfao

From what I can tell, its a quick path to a sort of power trip, a type of magic insanity to normal people who don't have that intent built into their magic. That's why use of them gets you sent, at least normally, straight to wizard prison.

[LowIQ]

İlk olarak VenomB tarafından gönderildi:

From what I understand, its intent.

You can accidentally cast the normal magics, even to the point of harming yourself (not in the game, from what I can tell).

But the 3 unforgivable curses require pure intent to kill and harm. You're not just casting a fire spell, regardless of what the fire is going to do after casted. You're not using magic to create an invisible force to physically manipulate things or people. You're not charming an object. You're actively and directly using magic to cause direct harm, death, and/or mind control. Even the ancient magic is different in this regard, except for maybe the one where you zap someone with a ton of magic and basically explode them. That one might be questionable..... lmfao

From what I can tell, its a quick path to a sort of power trip, a type of magic insanity to normal people who don't have that intent built into their magic. That's why use of them gets you sent, at least normally, straight to wizard prison.

Yeah but we don't send people to prison because they definitely wanted to kill someone. We send them to prison because they did it when they shouldn't have. We obviously expect there's times you'll definitely want to kill someone and it'll be justifiable when you do. As above, this actually makes unforgivables a lot SAFER. I can kill you by accident with another spell, or I can do it on purpose and call it an accident. But if I kill you with avada it wasn't by accident and the world only needs to decide if I had good reason to do it.

This is like having a world where guns without a safety are considered safer and more morally righteous than a gun that turns its safety on by itself whenever you point it at someone you don't want to shoot. Like a gun you can't negligently discharge. it is literally the dream come true for safe defense.

[VenomB]

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İlk olarak VenomB tarafından gönderildi:

From what I understand, its intent.

You can accidentally cast the normal magics, even to the point of harming yourself (not in the game, from what I can tell).

But the 3 unforgivable curses require pure intent to kill and harm. You're not just casting a fire spell, regardless of what the fire is going to do after casted. You're not using magic to create an invisible force to physically manipulate things or people. You're not charming an object. You're actively and directly using magic to cause direct harm, death, and/or mind control. Even the ancient magic is different in this regard, except for maybe the one where you zap someone with a ton of magic and basically explode them. That one might be questionable..... lmfao

From what I can tell, its a quick path to a sort of power trip, a type of magic insanity to normal people who don't have that intent built into their magic. That's why use of them gets you sent, at least normally, straight to wizard prison.

Yeah but we don't send people to prison because they definitely wanted to kill someone. We send them to prison because they did it when they shouldn't have. We obviously expect there's times you'll definitely want to kill someone and it'll be justifiable when you do. As above, this actually makes unforgivables a lot SAFER. I can kill you by accident with another spell, or I can do it on purpose and call it an accident. But if I kill you with avada it wasn't by accident and the world only needs to decide if I had good reason to do it.

This is like having a world where guns without a safety are considered safer and more morally righteous than a gun that turns its safety on by itself whenever you point it at someone you don't want to shoot. Like a gun you can't negligently discharge. it is literally the dream come true for safe defense.

I believe the idea is that once a wizard successfully uses one of the unforgivables, they're already in the mindset to use it again. I recently started watching Harry Potter because of the game and Harry tried to cast Crucio on one of the baddies but failed because he didn't properly mean it, he was just angry and wanted revenge in the heat of anger. Its not a case of "oh I'm in danger, I'll certainly mean it," its a permanent shift in mindset with casting magic, hence the instant prison sentence.

[Halfalfasleep]

İlk olarak VenomB tarafından gönderildi:

I believe the idea is that once a wizard successfully uses one of the unforgivables, they're already in the mindset to use it again. I recently started watching Harry Potter because of the game and Harry tried to cast Crucio on one of the baddies but failed because he didn't properly mean it, he was just angry and wanted revenge in the heat of anger. Its not a case of "oh I'm in danger, I'll certainly mean it," its a permanent shift in mindset with casting magic, hence the instant prison sentence.

He successfully casts it later, though? I think that's just a case of general hatred towards someone vs. channeling that anger into 'I want to hurt this person as much as possible'.

[dexter]

I think it's because to use an unforgivable spell, you HAVE to have the intent to use it on that person, or it doesn't work. So by learning it you're basically saying that you want to kill someone etc.

[Raynn von Valancius]

I'm not using them because I just don't really see the need. The magical combat is arguably one of the best things in this game. Being able to curse and one shot 5 people all at once simplifies it to an almost 'unfun' degree.

Plus, the hypocrisy of everyone when you use one is annoying to me.

"How could you instantly kill that person using Avada Kedavra!!???? You're supposed to rip them through the air, set them on fire, and then slam them on the ground repeatedly until you bash their brains out. That's the 'good' way to eliminate evil wizards. I'm gonna call the Ministry you."

[Lonetac]

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I'm not using them because I just don't really see the need. The magical combat is arguably one of the best things in this game. Being able to curse and one shot 5 people all at once simplifies it to an almost 'unfun' degree.

Plus, the hypocrisy of everyone when you use one is annoying to me.

"How could you instantly kill that person using Avada Kedavra!!???? You're supposed to rip them through the air, set them on fire, and then slam them on the ground repeatedly until you bash their brains out. That's the 'good' way to eliminate evil wizards. I'm gonna call the Ministry you."

LOLOLOLOLOL 100%

[Go0lden_Archer]

I wasn't using them specifically because it's forbidden and I was playing a goodie boy. that didn't stop me from learning them all or going wands blazing in the dark arts arena though :D

and I think the reason they're forbidden is same as why police officer doesn't roam around with machine gun, but taser/pistol. goal for the law is to subdue not kill or so they say lol

[SpockEndil]

My character does not use Crucio, because it serves no purpose other than cruelty. For Imperio and Kedavera, I don't buy into the morality logic, so my character uses them. Imperio seems preferable to outright killing somebody who otherwise is going to kill you. Kedavera seems like a more humane way of killing than setting them on fire, turning them into exploding barrels, slicing them into bits, blowing them up, crushing them against walls, or tossing them off cliffs.