Historical accuracy.

[Ice_Tea_Zero]

You playing a game with magic, flying brooms, dragons and other mystical creatures. Please stop complaining about stuff not being historical accurate and just enjoy the game. It may take place in a world that looks like earth but it's still a fantasy setting.

Any examples? Most Steampunk games take place in UK, a place that exist in our real world but there was never a time in history where Steampunk existed to this degree it's portrayed in these games. There wasn't a ice age in 1886, or a underwatercity in 1946, or a plague in 1837.

Games are fictional. Isn't this why we enjoy videogames in the first place? Because you can create you own setting? Creative freedom is one of the best aspect of videogames. Harry Potter would be ridiculous boring if the game was historical accurate and magic actual doesn't existed.

[Halfalfasleep]

Postat inițial de litterarumsecunda:

Okay, but hear me out: this is what world-building is for. All they had to do was putting in a few lines of expository dialog about how the wizarding world was becoming more interconnected thanks to muggles (read: the British Empire) colonizing all over the place. The wizards, of course, don't give a damn about what those lesser people are doing with their quaint ships and gunpowder and electricity, because the only thing that matters is whether you have magic or not, not your skin color, and when you can teleport around the world all willy-nilly, finding a magical spouse on the other end of the world isn't that hard. Therefore, now there are all of these kids in Hogwarts, born from interracial wizard families or coming from other schools on scholarships.

It wouldn't take more than a few lines of dialog, and it could be done non-intrusively, yet because they didn't do that, it just feels like yet another example of the cynical "female/minority/identity quota" that's plaguing western media. Sure, it's easy to overlook, and at the end of the day, it's mainly benign, but it can still irritate people when it's done without even an attempt at internal justification.

This is exactly the problem, IMO. As far as world building goes, I think the phrase "The less you break the rules, the more you can bend them" is appropriate. The more you explain the blatant differences there are between 1890's magical and muggle Britain, the more you can get away with; But they didn't explain it, so it sticks out, and people associate it more with contemporary issues rather than it being a result of the setting.

[BEEP!]

I'm just going to point out all of the history in the HP universe has nothing to do with our history you can only say it's historically inaccurate if it doesn't match the world written by JK everything she says goes she is god in the HP world and it's very common knowledge that there is no such thing as magic nor a school that teaches magic named Hogwarts nor a real wizard named Harry in our world so complaining about our history to the history of the HPs means nothing there's nothing to complain about because it was never a thing to begin with there is no argument to be made about history between the real world and a fantasy world get over your selfs

[TheKeefChief]

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Yea except you have no actual proof of that there’s like a handful of nonwhite characters in the game
so there’s really only two possibilities ether you’re just racist or you are to stupid to know that many different ethnic groups lived in Europe in the late 1800s
But sure keep whining online about the wizard game like a 5 year old child

reasoning with racists, never gonna work out. They don't understand reason; otherwise they wouldn't be racist. A lot of these arguments are just thin veneers of stuff you see on the worst corners of the internet.

It just baffles me how people think like this

[+Jump]

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reasoning with racists, never gonna work out. They don't understand reason; otherwise they wouldn't be racist. A lot of these arguments are just thin veneers of stuff you see on the worst corners of the internet.

It just baffles me how people think like this

They don't think much of anything which is the main issue

[Rayvencraft]

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reasoning with racists, never gonna work out. They don't understand reason; otherwise they wouldn't be racist. A lot of these arguments are just thin veneers of stuff you see on the worst corners of the internet.

It just baffles me how people think like this

Its either you think their way... OR ELSE and when all logic fails, they just report you... its simple mindedness. Ignore them. the world isnt just racists and wokeness. The Nazis thought the same way, and said similar things. Its very sad... I pity them.

[TheKeefChief]

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It just baffles me how people think like this

Its either you think their way... OR ELSE and when all logic fails, they just report you... its simple mindedness. Ignore them. the world isnt just racists and wokeness. The Nazis thought the same way, and said similar things. Its very sad... I pity them.

I’m glad to hear someone else feels the same way
Between the extreme right and extreme left are the normal people who can look at things for what they are and not warp it to fit their agendas

[Drakenfel]

No you are entirely wrong on this topic there is no arguing it at all. A work of fiction in a fictional world ie. Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones etc. are placed in worlds entirely fictitious and as such it is whatever the original author intended it to be and thus you can argue for lore accuracy even in a factitious world.

The HP Universe is completely different however JK did not create her own world. No one ever claimed she did, she created a secret society in our own world timeline so yes everyone does have the right to argue historical accuracy.

As for your argument on creative freedom that I completely agree with. Authors, movie producers and game devs should have as much creative freedom as they want to 'EXPAND' the universe they are adapting from existing works. No one has the right to change lore or history unless that is the focal point of the story ie. What if Voldemort won?

[TheKeefChief]

Postat inițial de Drakenfel:

No you are entirely wrong on this topic there is no arguing it at all. A work of fiction in a fictional world ie. Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones etc. are placed in worlds entirely fictitious and as such it is whatever the original author intended it to be and thus you can argue for lore accuracy even in a factitious world.

The HP Universe is completely different however JK did not create her own world. No one ever claimed she did, she created a secret society in our own world timeline so yes everyone does have the right to argue historical accuracy.

As for your argument on creative freedom that I completely agree with. Authors, movie producers and game devs should have as much creative freedom as they want to 'EXPAND' the universe they are adapting from existing works. No one has the right to change lore or history unless that is the focal point of the story ie. What if Voldemort won?

I mean the wizard if world has had intercontinental travel for more than half a millennia so to think that they would have the same race relations as the normal world it pretty stupid

I also find it to be pretty funny the guy who originally started this argument deleted all his post

[Drakenfel]

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Postat inițial de Drakenfel:

No you are entirely wrong on this topic there is no arguing it at all. A work of fiction in a fictional world ie. Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones etc. are placed in worlds entirely fictitious and as such it is whatever the original author intended it to be and thus you can argue for lore accuracy even in a factitious world.

The HP Universe is completely different however JK did not create her own world. No one ever claimed she did, she created a secret society in our own world timeline so yes everyone does have the right to argue historical accuracy.

As for your argument on creative freedom that I completely agree with. Authors, movie producers and game devs should have as much creative freedom as they want to 'EXPAND' the universe they are adapting from existing works. No one has the right to change lore or history unless that is the focal point of the story ie. What if Voldemort won?

I mean the wizard if world has had intercontinental travel for more than half a millennia so to think that they would have the same race relations as the normal world it pretty stupid

I also find it to be pretty funny the guy who originally started this argument deleted all his post

That is actually a good point although that is countered by the existence of Squibs many of which chose to enter the muggle world and would have altered the demographics and religious beliefs of the entire world should it have happened as such unless you are saying the Wizards do not allow foreign ethnic group Squibs to settle in the country they were born in and instead assign them a location based on their ethnicity and personal beliefs.

See this gets pretty dark the more you think about it and forced relocation is the nicer version of what many would think of when trying to piece together the Wizarding World timeline.

[TheKeefChief]

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I mean the wizard if world has had intercontinental travel for more than half a millennia so to think that they would have the same race relations as the normal world it pretty stupid

I also find it to be pretty funny the guy who originally started this argument deleted all his post

That is actually a good point although that is countered by the existence of Squibs many of which chose to enter the muggle world and would have altered the demographics and religious beliefs of the entire world should it have happened as such unless you are saying the Wizards do not allow foreign ethnic group Squibs to settle in the country they were born in and instead assign them a location based on their ethnicity and personal beliefs.

See this gets pretty dark the more you think about it and forced relocation is the nicer version of what many would think of when trying to piece together the Wizarding World timeline.

Actually that could easily be explained as the activist and more forward thinking people of the world

[Rayvencraft]

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Its either you think their way... OR ELSE and when all logic fails, they just report you... its simple mindedness. Ignore them. the world isnt just racists and wokeness. The Nazis thought the same way, and said similar things. Its very sad... I pity them.

I’m glad to hear someone else feels the same way
Between the extreme right and extreme left are the normal people who can look at things for what they are and not warp it to fit their agendas

Neither side is 100 percent correct. Not even the middle is 100. And the truth will come out in the end. As far as the game, in a world where you can change into animals and take potions to become someone else. what place is there for racism or transitioning?

[Odyssey]

it be nice if this takes place in an alternate timeline that way they could just do what they want and expand the world further after seventh year if they go that far without having to worry about the events with everything down the line with the main harry potter universe.

[forcecomdr]

As someone above mentioned, i can accept things done from a lore standpoint, not from a political one.

Consider this. To my recollection, there were zero foreign students depicted at Hogwarts. Yes, there were black, Asian, and Indian students, but they all spoke English with no real outside accents. Therefore logic would follow that they are all citizens of the UK, just of different racial origins.

The introduction of foreign students was a big deal. It was culture shock for both sides. So clearly students from different countries just didn't happen, at least in recent history.

As another posted stated, this could have quickly and easily been explained in the game. Voldemort, and Grindlwald before him, could have soured international relations. Not to mention two world wars, which, even for separated societies, would still have impacted both. As a result, the close ties of the past were largely severed resulting in the mistrust they all showed each other in the books.

Something like that would have not only made sense from a lore standpoint, it would have shut down this entire silly argument before it started.

But they didn't bother to say anything about it. Which means, at best, they didn't give it any thought, which they should have. Or at worst, it's dragging real world politics into a place it doesn't belong.

[Odyssey]

Postat inițial de forcecomdr:

As someone above mentioned, i can accept things done from a lore standpoint, not from a political one.

Consider this. To my recollection, there were zero foreign students depicted at Hogwarts. Yes, there were black, Asian, and Indian students, but they all spoke English with no real outside accents. Therefore logic would follow that they are all citizens of the UK, just of different racial origins.

The introduction of foreign students was a big deal. It was culture shock for both sides. So clearly students from different countries just didn't happen, at least in recent history.

As another posted stated, this could have quickly and easily been explained in the game. Voldemort, and Grindlwald before him, could have soured international relations. Not to mention two world wars, which, even for separated societies, would still have impacted both. As a result, the close ties of the past were largely severed resulting in the mistrust they all showed each other in the books.

Something like that would have not only made sense from a lore standpoint, it would have shut down this entire silly argument before it started.

But they didn't bother to say anything about it. Which means, at best, they didn't give it any thought, which they should have. Or at worst, it's dragging real world politics into a place it doesn't belong.

i believe its also said at least from everywhere i read about it only uk and ireland are able to attend hogwarts.

[amathy]

Postat inițial de forcecomdr:

As another posted stated, this could have quickly and easily been explained in the game. Voldemort, and Grindlwald before him, could have soured international relations. Not to mention two world wars, which, even for separated societies, would still have impacted both. As a result, the close ties of the past were largely severed resulting in the mistrust they all showed each other in the books.

Something like that would have not only made sense from a lore standpoint, it would have shut down this entire silly argument before it started.

But they didn't bother to say anything about it. Which means, at best, they didn't give it any thought, which they should have. Or at worst, it's dragging real world politics into a place it doesn't belong.

Why the ♥♥♥♥ would the game talk about Voldemort or Grindelwald when the game takes place when one is a child and the other wasn’t even born?