Hogwarts Legacy

Hogwarts Legacy

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Xanndovo 6. Feb. 2023 um 14:49
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Not enough black main characters
As a black man, I feel like we got the bottom of the barrel here. It's releasing in Black History Month and you seriously only have one black girl as a main character?? Seriously??? They're trying to sneak in racism by detracting the attention to trans rights & I see right through it. Really messed up world we live in
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Sogz 6. Feb. 2023 um 15:44 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
As a black man, I feel like we got the bottom of the barrel here. It's releasing in Black History Month and you seriously only have one black girl as a main character?? Seriously??? They're trying to sneak in racism by detracting the attention to trans rights & I see right through it. Really messed up world we live in

ah well, never mind.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
Regardless of what you guys say, it doesn’t make it right. Do you not see through these tactics?? Why do you REALLY think Forspoken is hated? Because the main character is black.

Seriously, who gives a crap about that. When I first saw that game I was really looking forward to it. It didn't even cross my mind that she is black. The game is crap because of the bad writing, the annoying character (because of how she is, not because of what she looks like) and the only thing this game has going for it is it's traversal.

In the late 1800s, less than 0,05% of the population was black. In that regards, Hogwarts Legacy has an overpopulation of black people if even one of them is black. I haven't played the game yet, but there are more black characters in it than just the one. There is also at least one black teacher.

However, as the game will be played worldwide, and it shouldn't have to be true to actual history as this is a part of fiction, the amount of people of color could be higher. But I really doubt it has anything to do with 'tactics' or racism as you seem to think.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kira:
The school is in the UK. There likely weren't many black people in the UK back in the day. In my country, there are very few black people even to this day. The first time I saw a black person in my hometown I actually got so freaked out I almost fell under a bus. It was like seeing an unicorn. I was 15 years old.
I have nothing against black people. I am saying this to illustrate how rare it is to see a black person in europe nowadays, let alone in 1800.

Much more likely to have Indians in the UK around this time, it would not be unheard of to see small communities of Africans but it would be rare and probably Docklands areas. There was a good sized Chinese community in Liverpool probably goes back to 1830 ish.

Liverpool also had its fair share of interracial marriages - it being an important port, and Scouse (people from Liverpool) men WILL NOT be told who they can marry or not - something that holds true to this day.

There was an India elected to Parliament around 1890s, in one of the London Boroughs, it was very mixed even back then.

There was at least a one or two African escaped slaves in Scotland - one actually was Charles Darwins teacher in Taxidermy, but this was much earlier than 1890.

Britain was at the centre of a huge empire it certainly would not be unusally for people to come here to university/schooling. Gandhi for instance studied law in London (80% sure it was London).
felixpoop 6. Feb. 2023 um 15:48 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sinistra:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
As a black man, I feel like we got the bottom of the barrel here. It's releasing in Black History Month and you seriously only have one black girl as a main character?? Seriously??? They're trying to sneak in racism by detracting the attention to trans rights & I see right through it. Really messed up world we live in
its set in to 1800s what do you think European countries where doing in the 1800s. they where selling slaves. so that is probably why there is none. where is hogwarts? it is in Europe

You have a poor grasp of history.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
As a black man, I feel like we got the bottom of the barrel here. It's releasing in Black History Month and you seriously only have one black girl as a main character?? Seriously??? They're trying to sneak in racism by detracting the attention to trans rights & I see right through it. Really messed up world we live in


I assume this is a joke but to give a literal answer in world there aren't many black wizards. JK Rowling tried to follow the geo-political makeup of the real world, the stats of The Wizarding World is roughly parallel to the real world in how it works and is distributed, so places that are ravaged and depressed in the muggle world are pretty much the same way when it comes to the wizards that live there, as the trends of history are similar. This way it wouldn't cause a lot of confusion and people could jump right on in and understand the relative power structure. The only place she overplays is the UK because she's British.

At any rate, the basic gist of things as I understand it, and the source from this is some stuff cross-posted from paid subscription Pottermore apparently, is that the greatest non-white mage of all time was a guy called Salazar Slytherin (the name might be familiar) as you might guess from the name "Salazar" he's from the middle east and wasn't pasty. While at peace with the others and helping found Hogwarts he himself tried to conquer the world at one point, and as an army used the schools he founded in Africa and The Middle East prior to his alliance with the others, this paralleled some similar RL events that decimated the region, and in losing all those schools were defeated and the magical populations of those areas depopulated.....

The 1890s when this game takes place is the Victorian Era where The British Empire is at the tail end of it's status as a world power, and let's just say that while racism isn't as bad as it has been before, it's still pretty racist. This is the era of Kipling's "White Man's Burden" and the belief that while people have an obligation to force civilization and good behavior on the non-white races for their own good. I'm sure your aware of colonialist attitudes so I probably don't have to explain all of that.

By the modern era of the HP stories it makes sense you had a small number of black spellcasters at Hogwarts, modern tolerance and all of that, but remember overall there just weren't that many surviving dark skinned spell casters due to Salazar's eventual conflict with the other major wizards of the tail end of his time. In the 1890s there might be a few, but those same few would probably be seen as oddities, and not be treated well, both due to the war being more recent, AND due to racist attitudes among wizards. See with wizards they are less concerned with genetics they don't understand, and more with magical lineage. In 1890s Hogwarts nobody would dislike them simply due to skin color and perceived intelligence, but because of a "Catch 22" situation where they might ask "are you a traitor or a mudblood?". After all their forefathers likely either followed Salazar in his antics, or they are the result of a new magical lineage and not an established one and thus a mudblood.

It remains to be seen how this plays out in the game, or if it even does. I don't care one way or another (mostly just repeating some stuff that was explained to me, i do not have a paid Pottermore subscription). Given JK Rowling's politics it seems for business reasons they are already taking huge liberties with the universe (I have nothing against trans people, but what she says aside, the 1890s were not a hotbed of tolerance), and it would not shock me if they simply handwave the rest of he world development and have a huge number of non-white people running around a private school at the height of the Victorian era and act like it's not unusual..... you might very well get what you want, excepting perhaps a main character you don't create.

I doubt many people read something this long, especially seeing as I doubt the OP was entirely serious, but for lulz I will point out that Harry Potter has a master race that we must all bow to. Yes, yes, HP fans, Gingers are our superiors and destined to rule us all. Read it carefully and you will notice a few references to red hair being a sign of a strong wizarding family and bloodline. Someone also linked this to me from Pottermore once as a reminder. It's apparently JK's nod towards the mistreatment of the Irish or something. At any rate if you read that and think about it critically, you begin to realize that while poor the Weasley family was actually one of the strongest magical forces around. Not only did Mr. Weasley manage to survive the purges at the ministry where he worked, he also casually created a flying car "for the lulz" which seems to be a ridonkulus feat of enchantment compared to many of the items other created, anything better than that is treated as some major artifact (time tuner for example). Mrs. Weasley also defeated Bellatrix in a straight fight when she was upset and she was one of the strongest dark wizards of the era, which impies. Fred and George routinely invent entirely new types of magic (albeit obnoxious magic) and are good enough compared to others to make tons of money, on a practical sense they are able to mass produce force field medallions for the government as a side business. The only two red heads who don't do anything too impressive are Ron who might have missed the boat or just been cursed with bad luck (he often has a broken wand or something), and Ginny, who is rarely around in a practical sense so we don't actually see her do much to know what her power level was right.

The point of this last long ramble is forget skin color, all others bow before the red heads....
Harry Potter and the wizarding world has nothing to do with Trans...
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
As a black man, I feel like we got the bottom of the barrel here. It's releasing in Black History Month and you seriously only have one black girl as a main character?? Seriously??? They're trying to sneak in racism by detracting the attention to trans rights & I see right through it. Really messed up world we live in
its set in to 1800s what do you think European countries where doing in the 1800s. they where selling slaves. so that is probably why there is none. where is hogwarts? it is in Europe
The international slave trade was done in the early 1800s...
Are you guys serious?? If they really took the slave trade into account then why is there a BLACK FEMALE free to attend hogwarts? Your racism knows no bounds. You just come up with anything and it’s sad.

And to those of you saying to make a black character, Ofcourse I will. But that only makes it 2 main characters compared to the other 50 white ones. This is insane you guys are defending this kind of practice.

In the movie there were plenty of black characters, none in slytherin which is weird, but there was more than the one ahown in game.
skuzie 6. Feb. 2023 um 15:57 
man ♥♥♥♥ off with this racial ♥♥♥♥, enjoy the game...
Korig 6. Feb. 2023 um 15:57 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
Are you guys serious?? If they really took the slave trade into account then why is there a BLACK FEMALE free to attend hogwarts? Your racism knows no bounds. You just come up with anything and it’s sad.

And to those of you saying to make a black character, Ofcourse I will. But that only makes it 2 main characters compared to the other 50 white ones. This is insane you guys are defending this kind of practice.

In the movie there were plenty of black characters, none in slytherin which is weird, but there was more than the one ahown in game.

The movies took place during the years that they were released. This game takes place in the 1800s.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von STRIDER:
Racism don't exist in the UK.
Idk I seem to remember something with the Irish
n9ne_x 6. Feb. 2023 um 16:01 
It's 1800s England... It should only be white people if it was accurate to the time period it's set in, but this game has every race, stop crying lol
Sol3 6. Feb. 2023 um 16:07 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von STRIDER:
Racism don't exist in the UK.
No, it does exist, just way less than most other countries.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xanndovo:
Are you guys serious?? If they really took the slave trade into account then why is there a BLACK FEMALE free to attend hogwarts? Your racism knows no bounds. You just come up with anything and it’s sad.

And to those of you saying to make a black character, Ofcourse I will. But that only makes it 2 main characters compared to the other 50 white ones. This is insane you guys are defending this kind of practice.

In the movie there were plenty of black characters, none in slytherin which is weird, but there was more than the one ahown in game.

Slavery was banned in England from when the Normans took over, in reality this was just a fine (almost a slave tax).
But in 1772 it was declared that No man can breath the air of England and be a slave, so if a slave even gets within a few miles of the Mainland, he is not a slave and anyone treating him as a slave is breaking the law.
Slaves knew this and often escaped to the UK knowing they have the full weight of the UK legal system protecting them, and it was taken seriously!!!

Get to the mid 1800s and the UK population was getting very anti-slavery, escaped slaves could find people willing to help them, give them work, place to live and protect them.
The issue was that the colonies and uber rich of the day lobbied parliament to not ban slavery outside of the UK - The legendary Wilberforce put an end to that.
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