ROMANCE IS NOT SEX, SEX IS NOT ROMANCE

[The Former]

Listen, I don't care one way or another about romance in the game. In fact I err on the side of it not being included. But if I see one more person get ripped for asking about its inclusion because people can't fathom that romance and sex aren't the same thing, I'm going to delete my Steam account. (Okay I'm exaggerating.)

You know where you can find sex? Strip clubs. How much romance is there at a strip club? Exactly none.

Likewise, there's plenty of romance to be found in holding your girlfriend while she cries at her father's funeral. But please tell me you don't expect there to be sex in this scenario.

Romance is defined as, quote, "Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people; love." There is absolutely no reason 5th years at Hogwarts couldn't reasonably feel such attachment towards eachother.

Don't want romance in the game? Great! Neither do I. But for the love of all that's decent and wholesome, stop accusing people of being human filth for asking if it's in the game.

[Miro Fox]

Цитата допису rincewind:

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

Doesn't matter. you yourself are not 15. unless you are, then go for it.

So, you are telling me that if you watch any movie, or read a book where underaged people are involved in romance, you are a pedophile?
With that logic everyone playing GTA is a mass murderer.
And everyone playing Stellaris is... a monster.

Okay but what if you went to an author that didn't have underage romance in their stories
and asked "Why isn't there 15 year olds making out in this?"

yeah you'd be a creep wouldn't you?

[zSpewz]

Ahh, like the other day when someone asked why there was no romance because he was a 29 year old virgin and could only have virtual sex because of his country rules, then started saying he just wanted to hold hands... yeah alright great post

[Ranivus]

Hmm... i dunno but romancing magical school children or sexing magical school children all just seems 100% wrong.

Please don't correct me on this.

[Coyote]

Цитата допису Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

I guess that makes sense, when you put it that way. For what it's worth, I don't think the game does have romance options, so our preference appears to have won out here. The point of this OP was more to defend the dignity of those still asking.

Although there are some straight up asking for nude mods. There's nothing defensible about that position.

Some common ground is nice to point out in this crazy place.
I respect your desire to keep things civil, even if we dont agree on things.

[Lamiosa]

There will always be trolls who interprete something into something harmless. Just read in other games where people only asked for more pretty faces and trolls jumped onto it saying "buy some porn and stop playing this game". It is not really any use talking about adult topics in a forum where trolls have access to.

[The Former]

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

I'll stop accusing people of being human filth when 50 year olds stop asking to romance 15 year olds.

I don't know. personally, I feel this blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. They're asking if there are romance stories between their 15 year-old character and their companions, not if they as 50 year-olds can engage in romance with 15 year-olds.

I mean I see how you're approaching this, and I get what you're saying. I just feel that it expects that every player is failing to separate fantasy and reality. If this were the way of things, I couldn't play half the games on the market. I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable having Fire Emblem's Tharja stalking me IRL, but when she was stalking my avatar in the game, it was whatever.

[Miro Fox]

Цитата допису Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

I'll stop accusing people of being human filth when 50 year olds stop asking to romance 15 year olds.

I don't know. personally, I feel this blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. They're asking if there are romance stories between their 15 year-old character and their companions, not if they as 50 year-olds can engage in romance with 15 year-olds.

I mean I see how you're approaching this, and I get what you're saying. I just feel that it expects that every player is failing to separate fantasy and reality. If this were the way of things, I couldn't play half the games on the market. I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable having Fire Emblem's Tharja stalking me IRL, but when she was stalking my avatar in the game, it was whatever.

Nope. Drawn CP is still CP.

therefore Please stop. go get a partner of your own age.

and stop trying to go through 20 loopholes to make it sound better, it makes it sound worse

[The Former]

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

Цитата допису Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

I don't know. personally, I feel this blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. They're asking if there are romance stories between their 15 year-old character and their companions, not if they as 50 year-olds can engage in romance with 15 year-olds.

I mean I see how you're approaching this, and I get what you're saying. I just feel that it expects that every player is failing to separate fantasy and reality. If this were the way of things, I couldn't play half the games on the market. I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable having Fire Emblem's Tharja stalking me IRL, but when she was stalking my avatar in the game, it was whatever.

Nope. Drawn CP is still CP.

therefore Please stop. go get a partner of your own age.

and stop trying to go through 20 loopholes to make it sound better, it makes it sound worse

With respect - and I do respect you, I've seen you present many good takes regarding this game - you're engaging strawmen. I never said anything about art or any kind of pornography, nor did I suggest I was seeking any sort of "partner" in a fictional character.

I was making the argument that an inability to separate ourselves from the characters we play would make most games problematic. Playing GTA Online would make us all criminals by this failure of logic.

I'm not saying that some people can't separate the two, surely there are those who can't. Only that it isn't the norm, and to thus to assume everyone isn't separating the two is a bad faith stance.

[vaanomega]

Цитата допису Waffles:

Цитата допису Heknerr:

Is there any romance in the books? :D I ask because i didn't read it and don't really care. But i have to say that romance is probably not what people expect from an "Harry Potter" game. It's not even a RPG, it's an aventure game. Just go "piu piu" with your wand and visit the strange school. That's all. ^^'

There was romance. But harry was not a 28 year old dude.

The player avatar in the game is 15 years old, but not the person controlling them and jerking off to their underage girlfriend npc.

So, it's would be the same with movie/book author creating teen series with teen romance, like in Harry Potter Movies or any american series with stories about High-School

Nontheless, no matter what, there is no evidence of people appreciating heart warming romance in a fictional world being pervert

Most of the time, the people actively doing virtue signaling are the ones being pervert

[Lamiosa]

Цитата допису Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

Nope. Drawn CP is still CP.

therefore Please stop. go get a partner of your own age.

and stop trying to go through 20 loopholes to make it sound better, it makes it sound worse

With respect - and I do respect you, I've seen you present many good takes regarding this game - you're engaging strawmen. I never said anything about art or any kind of pornography, nor did I suggest I was seeking any sort of "partner" in a fictional character.

I was making the argument that an inability to separate ourselves from the characters we play would make most games problematic. Playing GTA Online would make us all criminals by this failure of logic.

I'm not saying that some people can't separate the two, surely there are those who can't. Only that it isn't the norm, and to thus to assume everyone isn't separating the two is a bad faith stance.

I guess there are also people calling the police, if a father just hugs his kids. However, you could also argue that someone with a furry in his profile picture is into animals, if you go the same road.

[Thjaffi]

Цитата допису Waffles:

Sex is certainly romance to some people. YOU dont get to dictate that for others.. Thats up to the two people in question.

I dont want it in a game with children lol.
I dont really want romance in here either... Kinda be weird and unrelatable.

i can understand when one don't want it in game, and i think it isn't necessary for the game. but since most "children" make their first experiences in the age between 14-16, it would be ok. not to mention that most of these children will meet in school.

[vaanomega]

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

Цитата допису Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

I don't know. personally, I feel this blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. They're asking if there are romance stories between their 15 year-old character and their companions, not if they as 50 year-olds can engage in romance with 15 year-olds.

I mean I see how you're approaching this, and I get what you're saying. I just feel that it expects that every player is failing to separate fantasy and reality. If this were the way of things, I couldn't play half the games on the market. I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable having Fire Emblem's Tharja stalking me IRL, but when she was stalking my avatar in the game, it was whatever.

Nope. Drawn CP is still CP.

therefore Please stop. go get a partner of your own age.

and stop trying to go through 20 loopholes to make it sound better, it makes it sound worse

Can you add evidence of that ?
Because using this logic
Drawn weapons are still weapons
Drawn murder is still murder
Drawn life is still life
Drawn food is still food

[Coyote]

Цитата допису vaanomega:

So, it's would be the same with movie/book author creating teen series with teen romance, like in Harry Potter Movies or any american series with stories about High-School

In a book its a bit different, because we are not actually harry potter. I wanted harry to succeed in life ever since he was licking the salt out of the chip bags in the trash. I was invested in HIS story. It was more like rooting for a friend.

[The Former]

Цитата допису Waffles:

Цитата допису vaanomega:

So, it's would be the same with movie/book author creating teen series with teen romance, like in Harry Potter Movies or any american series with stories about High-School

In a book its a bit different, because we are not actually harry potter. I wanted harry to succeed in life ever since he was licking the salt out of the chip bags in the trash. I was invested in HIS story. It was more like rooting for a friend.

Perhaps that's the disconnect. For me, I enjoy crafting characters to put into the world. Whereas others might be plugging themselves directly into the game. Perhaps that's where the people asking for this clash with folks like Miro Fox.

It may be that they're creating an original character, while Miro Fox and company are looking to plug themselves into the setting.

With that understanding, I certainly understand his position a bit better.

[Lamiosa]

Цитата допису vaanomega:

Цитата допису Miro Fox:

Nope. Drawn CP is still CP.

therefore Please stop. go get a partner of your own age.

and stop trying to go through 20 loopholes to make it sound better, it makes it sound worse

Can you add evidence of that ?
Because using this logic
Drawn weapons are still weapons
Drawn murder is still murder
Drawn life is still life
Drawn food is still food

Would mean shooting someone in a game is still shooting someone, as it is also drawn. Means it would give credit to politicians who likes to bann shooters, because they say it would make people murderers.