1800s

[Jim]

If the game is set in 1800s England why are you able to make your character a minority? It's not really historically accurate. I don't think there was brown skinned homosexual hipsters walking around in the 1800s.

[kourkenko]

if you look at history, they were some. And if you look a little further (1920's) it was like today, i mean being gay or lesbian was socially accepted in the western world.

It was, in fact, part of what caused the emergence of the german socialist party named Nazis. Yep, open an history book specialized in the 1920's. it was a very weird period, as our own.

[lnomsim]

Yeah, they all waited for the 1900's and WWi to arrive en masse.
I mean, it's a well-known fact that absolutely none of the freed slaves fighting for Brittain against the USA decided it wasn't the best place to stay and preferred to move to the UK after the war.

Also, Hogwarts is a private school, for sorcerers, all across Brittain, so I'm pretty sure it includes the colonies too.

(I actually have no idea, I have absolutely 0 knowledge about what the lore says for the colonial era)

Originally posted by kourkenko:

if you look at history, they were some. And if you look a little further (1920's) it was like today, i mean being gay or lesbian was socially accepted in the western world.

It was, in fact, part of what caused the emergence of the german socialist party named Nazis. Yep, open an history book specialized in the 1920's. it was a peculiar period, as our own.

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Certainly not.

Nowadays, Homosexual marriage is still not legal in a lot of western countries, and 30~40 ago, it could have been considered illegal to be in same-sex concubinage, and 50 years ago, it was regarded as a mental illness in most countries. (and of course, illegal)

[kourkenko]

Originally posted by lnomsim:

Certainly not.

Nowadays, Homosexual marriage is still not legal in a lot of western countries, and 30~40 ago, it could have been considered illegal to be in same-sex concubinage, and 50 years ago, it was regarded as a mental illness in most countries. (and of course, illegal)

When did i spoke about mariage ? NEVER. Don't twist my words. in the 1920's everything was happening behind doors but everyone knew it was happening and knew where to go to participate and it was soocially accepted to participate.
Two men or women walking in the streets hands to hands was unnaceptable but as soon as the sun went down... The streets went weird.
A man dressed and acting as woman wasn't a rarity, as the opposite. Gay couples were commun in the night life.

Open an history book because right now you are talking without knowing. Look at Ernst Röhm, the creator and leader of the Brown Shirts, he was openly gay.

[lnomsim]

Wow, you are contradicting yourself, and twisting my own words. If you are quoting, me, talk about all the quotes.

You said, nowadays homosexuality is accepted everywhere in the occidental world. That's not true, that was even less true 20 years ago, and illegal 40 to 50 years ago. So, no, in the 1800's it wasn't accepted.

You also said it began to be accepted in the early 20's, and now you are saying it was behind closed doors. So, not accepted. So the moment you have to hide to do something, it means it's not being accepted. it means it is somewhat tolerated, not the same.

About marriage, maybe you didn't talk about it, but I did. Why? Marriage is a right, the moment you prevent some people to access this (or any other) right(s), while you give it to others, it means there is legal segregation and a lack of equality. Does forbidding people to have equal rights means acceptance to you?

Anyway, calm down, this wasn't a personal attack, so chill. There have been people displaying their sexuality in all eras and places, no matter if it was legal or not (that's actually why it was made illegal in some places). A lot of other weird things happened in the 20's, surviving a world war and plague that killed millions for over a decade tends to do that, push people to find solace in whatever they can, and when the economy is booming, it helps too.

[cl656]

Why is historical accuracy important in a Harry Potter game set in the wizard world? I'm not a Harry Potter lore expert, but based on the movies, the wizards seem to have their own separate society and government, and sociopolitical issues within the society seem to of taken an entirely different route from our own, and the movies even portrays this. No one cares if you are black, white, or Asian, but if you are a muggle, a half breed, a goblin , or an elf, that's a different story.

[kingsbishop7]

Wokeism on display and all its glory.

[the chazz]

Originally posted by cool-dude:

Why is historical accuracy important in a Harry Potter game set in the wizard world? I'm not a Harry Potter lore expert, but based on the movies, the wizards seem to have their own separate society and government, and sociopolitical issues within the society seem of taken an entirely different route from our own, and the movies even portrays this. No one cares if you are black, white, or asian, but if you are a muggle, a half breed, a goblin , or an elf, that's a different story.

Because, it still necessarily reflects on the actual country's demographics. Why dont the African students go to the wizarding school in Africa? Does that school not exist? Or were they born in England? See, you can't separate the two.
In the Goblet of Fire we get lots of information about wizarding schools all over the world and get to see their students. When the French and Bulgarian schools show up at Hogwarts, their students weren't a bunch of white british kids like Ron, they were of course ethnic to their region.

[bittercup]

Originally posted by kingsbishop7:

Wokeism on display and all its glory.

negative iq

[kourkenko]

Originally posted by lnomsim:

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Nope i didn't contradict my self, you are just again twisting words but don't worry i'm used to it when discussing with SJW.. I don't take this as a personnal attack, far from it.
I'm just a history teacher looking at today's events with fascination and a touch of fear.

[nihilistninja]

Capitalism. Pure and simple.

Sure, it might be more 'historically accurate' for Hogwarts to be just English, Scottish and Welsh at the time (Irish being incredibly oppressed by the rest of Britain historically - not sure how it worked out for fictional witches and wizards), but Harry Potter is an international phenomenon and they want to sell the game everywhere, so there needs to be an element of diversity of ethnicity in Hogwarts.

Nothing to do with being woke or anything, just financial motivation.

[lnomsim]

Originally posted by kourkenko:

Originally posted by lnomsim:

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Nope i didn't contradict my self, you are just again twisting words but don't worry i'm used to it when discussing with SJW.. I don't take this as a personnal attack, far from it.
I'm just a history teacher looking at today's events with fascination and a touch of fear.

Yeah, I've had bad teachers too, don't worry.
And it must be the very first time I've been called a SJW, generally, I'm called whatever is the contrary.

The 20's weren't called "les années folles" for nothing. If, as a history teacher you do not know that, and can't comprehend that society greatly (as in a lot) evolved since then, and most importantly, that the XX°c isn't the XIX°c, well, what can I say?

You're saying it is accepted. It's wrong.

You're saying it has been accepted since the '20s, wrong again, the culture in the '20s wasn't the culture in the '30s, and even less in the '50s when it became way more conservative. Western culture began to be more open-minded again near the end of the '60s. (with a lot of cultural revolutions all around the globe)

Yet, the global acceptance of homosexuality in the western world mostly developed near the end of the '80s and the beginning of the 2000s. And that was mostly in small parts of Europe, not the whole western world.

All in all, it's way more accepted today than some decades ago, yes. But don't tell me to open a history book when you are occulting 50 to 60 years of history yourself to suit your worldview.

It's people like you who worry me, especially if you are in charge of teaching the new generations.

History is not a fairy tail, you don't get to choose what happened.

[kourkenko]

Originally posted by lnomsim:

Originally posted by kourkenko:

Nope i didn't contradict my self, you are just again twisting words but don't worry i'm used to it when discussing with SJW.. I don't take this as a personnal attack, far from it.
I'm just a history teacher looking at today's events with fascination and a touch of fear.

Yeah, I've had bad teachers too, don't worry.
And it must be the very first time I've been called a SJW, generally, I'm called whatever is the contrary.

The 20's weren't called "les années folles" for nothing. If, as a history teacher you do not know that, and can't comprehend that society greatly (as in a lot) evolved since then, and most importantly, that the XX°c isn't the XIX°c, well, what can I say?

You're saying it is accepted. It's wrong.

You're saying it has been accepted since the '20s, wrong again, the culture in the '20s wasn't the culture in the '30s, and even less in the '50s when it became way more conservative. Western culture began to be more open-minded again near the end of the '60s. (with a lot of cultural revolutions all around the globe)

Yet, the global acceptance of homosexuality in the western world mostly developed near the end of the '80s and the beginning of the 2000s. And that was mostly in small parts of Europe, not the whole western world.

All in all, it's way more accepted today than some decades ago, yes. But don't tell me to open a history book when you are occulting 50 to 60 years of history yourself to suit your worldview.

It's people like you who worry me, especially if you are in charge of teaching the new generations.

History is not a fairy tail, you don't get to choose what happened.

Oh did i trigerred you ? Good to know.
Whatever... History is an horror movie and it has a tendancy to repeat itself... Each day i must fight against weirdos teachers trying to rewrite it, as you are doing right now.
Do as you want, i will not bo down.

[lnomsim]

Is this your first time on the internet? You don't know what getting triggered means?
Or you don't know what triggered people are like.
You're weird.

But it's all good, I sent you replies to some of my friends, and they are all dying laughing, especially the part where you called me a SJW.

Or maybe I'm talking to a bot, it feels like a pre-recorded reaction to keywords that make no sense and don't have a connection with previous statements.

[Castyles]

Seems people in the HP universe don't really care about skin colours, religion, income, gender and sexuality. They're more worried about a wizard being half-blood or pure-blood. I can accept that given the setting.

But know this: the big shots are just pleasing some groups because they're trendy, nowadays. And they want their money. That's why they only show minorities in the trailers.

Afaik Hogwart Legacy is not ruining the entire game in favor of irl politics. I sense some red flags about the story, however. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[Koi]

Doesn't really matter.