Is this game pay to win ?

[Tiberius]

Is this game pay to win ?

[Yuki sanada]

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

Christan の投稿を引用：

That is good you enjoying the game :)...

Just have fun its what Gaming is for right even though there are some things i dont like about it

We all cant be on the same boat best thing to do it just have fun .

Of cours, that's why game are made for, enjoying them, and of cours, if you don't like Star Trek, or you don't like the way quest are done, dialogues are made, space or grounds mechanics are, you should'nt play it and find something that suits your tast better.

But OP was not on that subject but on P2W or not, and I'm trying to give him my pov on that topic, wich is, no need to pay, there's no win anyway so...

Yeah i got bored it happends.. :) what can we do about the human nature of boredem XD

[AbsynthMinded]

I can not play STFs at the highest levels because I have so much krap to upgrade and buy now. This is because of T6 and unbalancing the difficulty. If I were to hope to play on that level again I would need hundreds of thousands of refined Dilithium. I ranted heavily about this at the time the changes were occuring.

[[19]Zaph]

N3MES1S の投稿を引用：

This.

A peson who didnt invest money on the game can have better performance than you, even if you waste 3000$ in the game. So, no this game is not pay 2 win. It never was. People who says that dont have a clue what that means. And obviously they didnt play too many mmorpgs.

Some of you are locked in the cryptic's grasps. They want you to spend money in everything so, since they know how non smart players think, they throw away a lot of shinys expecting to "catch" those players. Since those players are not smart, they will use money to buy anything cryptic releases, without even thinking. They will never realize that right now, there is nothing in the game that will provide you any advantaje buying with money lol. It never was.

I never wasted any cent since almost 4 years ago and i can say that i have a better ships and better piloting skills that those rich kids and money whales xD. And i dont plan to waste a single cent in this embarrasing videogame/company ever lol, i will stil playing the little things i like of the game, until it dies (probably in 2016) and that will all. Farewell :)

So true, by the way I can stop laughing at those rich kids that spend so much money for buying all 3 variant of Cimetar ship, thinking that will turn them into some badass dreadgnout with high DPS and tanking capabilities and then, keeping exploding like noobs on the first tactical cube they meet in STF while I keep destroying those same Cube as it was frighters with my Risian Corvet (a racing little bonus free ship we had on summer event past two years) and of course tanking them so easily with all the def bonus I have =) Buying the best ship only because you eard/read it was the best of all (even when it's true) most of the time = being chain kill and then rage about "broken" or "unbalanced' stuff in the Zen Store. The funniest is during PvP Arena : Zen Ship = Main target. This is a game where your build is more important than anything else, if you choose the wrong ship for your build, your cursed, and double cursed if it's a zen Ship. =)

[[19]Zaph]

Btw don't get me wrong on that, Zen Ship are good, sometimes they are great, but in no way they are better than normal ships, they are differents, with some special features or particular bridge officer assets. But for use them right you'll have to have a toon, a build and equipment that need those ship, and that's very rare. Most of the time, and for most of the player, the average Command Cruiser or Escort can be a lot better and simplier to use.

[Yuki sanada]

N3MES1S の投稿を引用：

Vellari の投稿を引用：

Point was/is. You can drop a 1000$ on zen/dilithium, but that doesn't NOT equal win. Still have to know what to do with it.

This.

A peson who didnt invest money on the game can have better performance than you, even if you waste 3000$ in the game. So, no this game is not pay 2 win. It never was. People who says that dont have a clue what that means. And obviously they didnt play too many mmorpgs.

Some of you are locked in the cryptic's grasps. They want you to spend money in everything so, since they know how non smart players think, they throw away a lot of shinys expecting to "catch" those players. Since those players are not smart, they will use money to buy anything cryptic releases, without even thinking. They will never realize that right now, there is nothing in the game that will provide you any advantaje buying with money lol. It never was.

I never wasted any cent since almost 4 years ago and i can say that i have a better ships and better piloting skills that those rich kids and money whales xD. And i dont plan to waste a single cent in this embarrasing videogame/company ever lol, i will stil playing the little things i like of the game, until it dies (probably in 2016) and that will all. Farewell :)

It just some people sees money gets things done quicker than those who grind..

That is just how I look at it, but I left the game due to getting bored with it so..

if you enjoy the game have fun.

I so used to play MMO RPGs when I started Everquest 2 without the item shop.. :)

So sometimes the Temptation is there and people end up spending money just to look cool...

So yeah this guy even beat me in grinding dill ...

he told me I buy it I don't even grind.. I was like O_O.....

So yeah temptation is their some people don't like to grind they take short cuts and spend money :/

Right now I play marvel heroes it is not so bad it don't lag I have no problems running it and the game is not so bad.. Compare to dill store being broken :/

So yeah enjoy your game ..

[coval]

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

Not PtW at all, as many stated before,

Sure it is, but let me some of your many false statements.

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

Most of the fun comes from variety and number of "missions" : there are so much in it you could litteraly play for years without doing 2 times the same one

I checked this out for you.
Starfleet storyline has overall 101 missions, each taking about 30 mins.
You have to be extreme casual to spread 50h gameplay "for years".

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

(and with fundry, a way player can build and share their own mission with other player, possibility are endless) regarding that,

Foundry - user generated content - was Cryptics solution for the lack of missions and content, It is old and very limited.

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

beautifully written mission with diplomatie, science, engineering etc

Can't argue about tastes. But most for the story of missions, I get the feeling it is written by some teenager for a 6 year old.

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

So basicly, standart ships and equipment are far more fun to play with than any Zen store hight end ♥♥♥♥.

LOL, what a BS. may be your subjective impression.

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

Plus HL standart ship have nothing to envy to most of the Zen one.

Even more BS, no comment.

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

If you're seeking a game full of interesting contents, living univers full of stories, adventures, new worlds to discover, (new life forme to ... well you know) this is just an amaizing game, especialy with some friends for coop with.

Typical advertisement exaggeration.
There is nothing living in this universe except exchange prices and other players.
Your actions and decisions have no impact on it at all, No changing borders, no changing worlds (maybe day/night at Risa), no economy fluctuation. A static universe.
The is not much exploration beside a handful space stations, worlds and battle zones. It lacks completely the famous Star Trek exploration. Last official forums poll showed, it is the most wished feature, that does not exist in STO.


I am used to read such an overstatement about this game only from cryptic employees and its marketing agents.
They even turned the Delta Rising fiasco into "the best expansion ever".

[[19]Zaph]

coval の投稿を引用：

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Lol at this. Again, I played since beta launch and never stop since then so I'm pretty aware of what i'm talking about but feel free to disagree and to just stop playing that game if you find it so dull and bad, there is plenty other games around.

If you want a SF/Spaceships game that feels like a MMORPG with tons of things to do and a real impact of your choices on the univers, you may try Elite : Dangerous (witch I also play since launch) of cours, if you just a whiner, you could find a lot to cry about this game too (ppl that love to speed run and grind find you've got to few influence on market and galactic powers IE (or sometimes, they belive you've got none at all) but that's because they 're kids and they want to be able to change an entier univers only by one little action, of cours, not this is a hardcore game so it may not suite your taste either.

Anyway, as stated before, games are made for fun, if you don't find STO fun, just quite and find anything else ;)

I, for myself, find STO pretty damn good with tons and tons of good content by dev or community (and I don't see that as a lake of official content but as a way to adding content by ourself, as devs keep adding their - cool - content every month, for free, and for everyone), I don't find any Zen ships so unbalanced or cheated (actually, I own a lot of them, as I explain before, without spending a single cents, but most of my toons keep using "standard" ships and they roxx - I PvP a lot in STO, I'm maybe the last guy that find arena fun every once and then, and I never use any Zen stuff in it, to much specifics I think -. So call BS what you want to, but from my point of view, the only BS around are your behaviour. Dude, you don't like the game, fine, you like to read people whinning on the off forum, fine (off forum are always only for whinner, in every MMORPG I know, and that makes a lot) but don't ignore the fact that there is a solide and growing community that actually enjoy this game a lot (and enjoyed Delta Rising a lot to) for a reason. Of cours, plenty of topic on off forum will announce the end of the game, the lake of player or the fail of that or this expension, but again, that's just the same in every other MMO, that existed since launch of game, and those guys are just kids (or adult acting as kids). Those guys are still the same, since the launch of the game, and they are still playing it, no matter how bad they say it is.

[coval]

19Zaph の投稿を引用：

Anyway, as stated before, games are made for fun, if you don't find STO fun, just quite and find anything else ;)

Forget it. I bought lifetime sub, because Cryptic makes similar false statements like you, which I wasn't aware at that time. And I doubt they refund me or I get it sold.

So I will stay for a looong time to refute you, Cryptic and fanboys.

[RinkuSenpai]

I think that the "paid" stuff just looks cooler, they don't make anything better,

[Platnumsniper]

Its Play to win

[Tiberius]

Christan の投稿を引用：

N3MES1S の投稿を引用：

Some of you really dont have any idea at all about what p2win means.. really lol.

Thousands of players are outperforming rich kids and money whales and they didnt spent a cent in their life. The only thing that could make you have more advantaje over other player is the ship. And as any smart and experienced player knows, a T5 can be better than a T6 because it is not about the ship, it is about the pilot, the build, the traits, and a huge etc.
If you think that p2win means that you buy a T6 directly with money instead of grind for it, you are mistaken lol.

Because in first place, YOU DONT NEED A T6 to be better than other players in pve (pvp is dead so nobody cares about that). So, where is p2win here?? i mean, do you guys even know what you talking about? we are talking about a game that has not even pvp!!!

And its ridiculous how some players complain about the time it takes to grind for a cstore ship, when this game is designed to be mastered in YEARS, for god sake, if you cant grind for a month to get your fancy ship.. and thats the reason you calling it p2win... seriously, you dont have any idea at all xD.

The guys who for any weird reason call STO a p2w game, obviously never played a P2W game before. Thats pretty clear.

Well look at it this way it reminds me when i was in school when i was a kid

Hey man my Sneakers are better then yours they have better brand.

My sneakers are just sneakers nothing fancy but the other kid has better looking sneakers..

:) if you see what i mean rofl..

This happen when i was a kid in 1988.. xD

This is a pretty bad comparison.

And were obviously not a child in 1988 because you were not even born in 1988, you were born after 1995 at least !

[Yuki sanada]

PrinceOfPersia の投稿を引用：

Christan の投稿を引用：

Well look at it this way it reminds me when i was in school when i was a kid

Hey man my Sneakers are better then yours they have better brand.

My sneakers are just sneakers nothing fancy but the other kid has better looking sneakers..

:) if you see what i mean rofl..

This happen when i was a kid in 1988.. xD

This is a pretty bad comparison.

And were obviously not a child in 1988 because you were not even born in 1988, you were born after 1995 at least !

No i was not born after 1995 i was born in 1980..

And if you understand what i was talking about people always fighting what is better...

So you was not born were i was so how would you know..

People always spending money buying stuff what is better instead of just enjoying what you have.. ..

So i was not born after 1995 :) you dont know me rofl so stop being like you know what i am saying..

Let me know when you stop thinking when i was born because you clearly dont know much about me ^^

Also 8 years old is still a kid or child for that matter over here..

I dont know how it is were you from but over here that is how it is..

Also it happend to me when i was 6 growing up so yes i experinced that..

That is what i meant bye that so it is the same..

When people always have to buy something better then the other peron then rub it in there face when they have it and the other dont..

So how is that a bad what i am saying ?

My point is just enjoy what you have and dont worry about what other people spend there money on.

Rofl i cant belive you said i was born after 1995 do the math dude i am 35.

2015
-1980
35 Answer So around 1980 1990 i was still a child until i turned 16...

Laws very different here

[Tiberius]

Christan の投稿を引用：

PrinceOfPersia の投稿を引用：

This is a pretty bad comparison.

And were obviously not a child in 1988 because you were not even born in 1988, you were born after 1995 at least !

No i was not born after 1995 i was born in 1980..

And if you understand what i was talking about people always fighting what is better...

So you was not born were i was so how would you know..

People always spending money buying stuff what is better instead of just enjoying what you have.. ..

So i was not born after 1995 :) you dont know me rofl so stop being like you know what i am saying..

Let me know when you stop thinking when i was born because you clearly dont know much about me ^^

Also 8 years old is still a kid or child for that matter over here..

I dont know how it is were you from but over here that is how it is..

Also it happend to me when i was 6 growing up so yes i experinced that..

So dont act like you sleep under my bed and know me..

That is what i meant bye that so it is the same..

When people always have to buy something better then the other peron then rub it in there face when they have it and the other dont..

So how is that a bad what i am saying ?

My point is just enjoy what you have and dont worry about what other people spend there money on.

I understood what you wrote there! But it has not much to do with a correct comparison to a game. There is a difference between things you pay for, are just looking BETTER or actually ARE better. And to compare shoes with ingame content where it is about things like hitpoints,damage and stuff, is a bit odd !

I am born in 92, and I must say, when I grew up, it was not much about who had something better, it started back in 2000 or 2001 when children became so extreme with all the " Oh I wear a better shoe,trousers or shirt brand than you ". I was never in to it, because I totally gave a ♥♥♥♥ who was wearing what brand. So maybe this is why I did not experience it this way. I am not a material person, an object is an object, doesn't matter how much it costs or what it does. A lamborghini car is not more a car than an old Lada Niva, both will get treaten the same by me. Same for every other objects, except there is an object which I got from a grandfather and is in my family's hands since generations, this is not just an object, this would also be history to me, and history is something which I treat more careful. But again, I would not care about the price. I would care the same for a 200 years old fancy suit, same as for a 200 years old watch.

I do not need to do maths, you need to do your " psychology homework ", I clearly said it because I would not believe you are this old, and I still don't. Which should not matter to you, since I am a random guy from the internet.

FACT: I still don't know about Star Trek is pay to win or not, because threads like this end always up like this.

[Yuki sanada]

PrinceOfPersia の投稿を引用：

Christan の投稿を引用：

No i was not born after 1995 i was born in 1980..

And if you understand what i was talking about people always fighting what is better...

So you was not born were i was so how would you know..

People always spending money buying stuff what is better instead of just enjoying what you have.. ..

So i was not born after 1995 :) you dont know me rofl so stop being like you know what i am saying..

Let me know when you stop thinking when i was born because you clearly dont know much about me ^^

Also 8 years old is still a kid or child for that matter over here..

I dont know how it is were you from but over here that is how it is..

Also it happend to me when i was 6 growing up so yes i experinced that..

So dont act like you sleep under my bed and know me..

That is what i meant bye that so it is the same..

When people always have to buy something better then the other peron then rub it in there face when they have it and the other dont..

So how is that a bad what i am saying ?

My point is just enjoy what you have and dont worry about what other people spend there money on.

I understood what you wrote there! But it has not much to do with a correct comparison to a game. There is a difference between things you pay for, are just looking BETTER or actually ARE better. And to compare shoes with ingame content where it is about things like hitpoints,damage and stuff, is a bit odd !

I am born in 92, and I must say, when I grew up, it was not much about who had something better, it started back in 2000 or 2001 when children became so extreme with all the " Oh I wear a better shoe,trousers or shirt brand than you ". I was never in to it, because I totally gave a ♥♥♥♥ who was wearing what brand. So maybe this is why I did not experience it this way. I am not a material person, an object is an object, doesn't matter how much it costs or what it does. A lamborghini car is not more a car than an old Lada Niva, both will get treaten the same by me. Same for every other objects, except there is an object which I got from a grandfather and is in my family's hands since generations, this is not just an object, this would also be history to me, and history is something which I treat more careful. But again, I would not care about the price. I would care the same for a 200 years old fancy suit, same as for a 200 years old watch.

Yeah but that is why people keep calling it pay to win because people always end up trying to compete with each other instead of having fun..

That is from my experince ..So instead of worrying about the other person just have fun.

So its kinda the same thing just different all worryed about stuff you cant even touch with your hands xD.

That is just what i experinced and they still do it today..

Not much changed

Same thing with ships or locked box ships i want that cool ship let me spend money on it..

Then they show it off sometimes rub it in your face look what cool ship i have..

My dps is better and i am better see what i mean

[Tiberius]

Christan の投稿を引用：

PrinceOfPersia の投稿を引用：

I understood what you wrote there! But it has not much to do with a correct comparison to a game. There is a difference between things you pay for, are just looking BETTER or actually ARE better. And to compare shoes with ingame content where it is about things like hitpoints,damage and stuff, is a bit odd !

I am born in 92, and I must say, when I grew up, it was not much about who had something better, it started back in 2000 or 2001 when children became so extreme with all the " Oh I wear a better shoe,trousers or shirt brand than you ". I was never in to it, because I totally gave a ♥♥♥♥ who was wearing what brand. So maybe this is why I did not experience it this way. I am not a material person, an object is an object, doesn't matter how much it costs or what it does. A lamborghini car is not more a car than an old Lada Niva, both will get treaten the same by me. Same for every other objects, except there is an object which I got from a grandfather and is in my family's hands since generations, this is not just an object, this would also be history to me, and history is something which I treat more careful. But again, I would not care about the price. I would care the same for a 200 years old fancy suit, same as for a 200 years old watch.

Yeah but that is why people keep calling it pay to win because people always end up trying to compete with each other instead of having fun..

That is from my experince ..So instead of worrying about the other person just have fun

If this is what people call pay to win, then they use the wrong term in my eyes. Because to me, pay to win is if you pay and have a clear benefit TOWARDS other players, like a much better assault rifle, or a much better vessel.

World of Tanks is a good example, you don't really have a benefit when using real money. The tanks you can buy for gold are not much better than tanks you can also unlock, and the premium-ammo you can use, can also be unlocked by credits, which you can earn by just playing the game.

This for example would NOT be pay to win, but pay to be fast.