New jemhadar Dlc pack is faulty and incomplete

[Star]

I came back saw my favorite jemhadar being featured into the game.
i saw the vanguard pack and thought oh how nice untill i quickly realised its FAULTY and Incomplete.

there is no Attack ship tier 5 wich unlocks hangar frigates in the pack.
There is no strike or recon ship for the modules and hangar frigate pets unlocks.

to Think they got the guts to charge 125 euro for this incomplete and faulty bundle is quite insane.
Predatory marketing at its best.

cryptic fix your mistakes.. Incomplete bundles and faulty packs does not fly here....

[ImperatorPavel]

From your last post it sounded like there was some confusion. Sorry.

[Star]

i would still argue that the vanguard pack is flawed without a way to get the frigate pets included.

[Ice_King]

Originalmente postado por =pG=™ Pavel:

"faction" = AoY characters (aka not a real faction, hence the quotes)

Faction = Fed/KDF

I dunno how much simpler I can make that.

Since the LOR days we called half-assed factions "fractions" lol.

I imagine less effort will be put into the Dominion fraction as was put into the Romulan fraction.

[VoodooMike]

Originalmente postado por n3mes1s:

I dont think cryptic are worried about any paticular player lol.

I think they're always concerned with their revenue model, and those are the folks who power it. I don't think they're worried about them on an emotional level or anything.

Originalmente postado por Star:

i would still argue that the vanguard pack is flawed without a way to get the frigate pets included.

"Flawed" based on a model that exists solely in your imagination. No discount pack has ever involved a hangar pet unlock that I'm aware of.

[Star]

Originalmente postado por VoodooMike:

Originalmente postado por n3mes1s:

I dont think cryptic are worried about any paticular player lol.

I think they're always concerned with their revenue model, and those are the folks who power it. I don't think they're worried about them on an emotional level or anything.

Originalmente postado por Star:

i would still argue that the vanguard pack is flawed without a way to get the frigate pets included.

"Flawed" based on a model that exists solely in your imagination. No discount pack has ever involved a hangar pet unlock that I'm aware of.

So if you buy a jem hadar pack with carriers inside it you dont expect to get the hangar bays to use it to the full ? sry but imagionation no logic yes i mean im trying to be a normal honest person here and i expect to get all jem hadars inside a jem hadar pack i mean why else call it jem hadar pack?

they could have called it random ship pack ?

have players become so indoctrinated that they dont expect what they paying for ?
sry but if you implying that my imagination is why i think its logical to conclude a jem hadar pack should include all jemhadar ships for the value of 125 euro inside a game ? then im starting to become worried what your own imagination tells you :)

sounds like ur used to be the guy who pays and not gets what really inside the package and then goes *shrugs*

[ImperatorPavel]

T5 Jem’Hadar Dreadnought Carrier
T5 Jem’Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier
T6 Jem’Hadar Vanguard Raider
T6 Jem’Hadar Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser
T6 Jem’Hadar Vanguard Warship
T6 Cardassian Intel Science Dreadnought – Damar-class
T6 Cardassian Intel Flight-Deck Cruiser – Ghemor-class
T6 Cardassian Intel Escort – Detapa-class

List of ships in the big pack. The starter pack comes with the jem dreadnought cruiser.

No T5 JHAS. The Raider is not a variant of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship.

[Star]

Originalmente postado por n3mes1s:

Originalmente postado por =pG=™ Pavel:

T5 Jem’Hadar Dreadnought Carrier
T5 Jem’Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier
T6 Jem’Hadar Vanguard Raider
T6 Jem’Hadar Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser
T6 Jem’Hadar Vanguard Warship
T6 Cardassian Intel Science Dreadnought – Damar-class
T6 Cardassian Intel Flight-Deck Cruiser – Ghemor-class
T6 Cardassian Intel Escort – Detapa-class

List of ships in the big pack. The starter pack comes with the jem dreadnought cruiser.

No T5 JHAS.

Oh, so not even the T5 of the bug ship is included?? muhahahahahaha. (smashes the head in the keyboard).

Ok, so you still will need to buy at least the T5 version of the bug ship to get the pets. Honestly i find that completely ridiculous, but on the other hand, it is a classic cryptic move.

you found it the same way i did. 125 euro with incomplete ship list

I mean even the tv series deep space nine when they introduce the jemhadar shows the attack ship as their main strike force. gg

[Firewalk]

I was looking at it and was like:

"Now where are the Bug ship and the Battlecruiser at?"

Seriously, Cryptic has been navigating around selling the battlecruiser for so long, it must be on purpose.

[VoodooMike]

Originalmente postado por "Star":

So if you buy a jem hadar pack with carriers inside it you dont expect to get the hangar bays to use it to the full ?

The JHDC didn't come with the bugship frigates in the first place - you had to obtain the bugship separately to unlock them... so no, I don't expect carriers to automagically come with particular frigates that aren't unique to that ship. The frigates can be mounted on any jemhadar ship with a hangar.

Originalmente postado por "Star":

sry but imagionation no logic yes i mean im trying to be a normal honest person here and i expect to get all jem hadars inside a jem hadar pack i mean why else call it jem hadar pack?

Imagination, not logic. You expect every ship in the discount pack... that wasn't the case with past packs either. You didn't get EVERY romulan ship in the romulan packs.. and the faction is not locked to people who buy the pack, which means there are obviously going to be jemhadar ships NOT included/listed in the pack that can be obtained by people who don't buy it.

Originalmente postado por "Star":

have players become so indoctrinated that they dont expect what they paying for ?

They tell you exactly what you are paying for. Expecting to get exactly what they tell you that you'll get is not "indoctrination". Expecting more than they tell you that you'll get is "entitlement".

Originalmente postado por "Star":

sounds like ur used to be the guy who pays and not gets what really inside the package and then goes *shrugs*

I'm the guy who doesn't whine when he buys something and gets exactly what they told me I'd get rather than a long laundry list of unspoken extras I simply decided I was owed.

[Star]

Originalmente postado por VoodooMike:

Originalmente postado por "Star":

So if you buy a jem hadar pack with carriers inside it you dont expect to get the hangar bays to use it to the full ?

The JHDC didn't come with the bugship frigates in the first place - you had to obtain the bugship separately to unlock them... so no, I don't expect carriers to automagically come with particular frigates that aren't unique to that ship. The frigates can be mounted on any jemhadar ship with a hangar.

AKtually this is conflicting.

The Hangar - Advanced Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is a Frigate Carrier Pet that can be installed and launched from the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier.

they can only be launched from the carrier as far as the wiki explains it and as far as i know i got the ship ingame and i cannot use the hangars on other jem hadar hangars tier 5 unless something has been changed since i last attempted this action on my jemhadar ships.
as for tier 6 i dont know if you can use them or not couse i dont own tier 6.
Im not so sure about the other hangars for jem hadar that is not frigates if they do more or less dmg than the frigates does. but i do know on my tier 5-u dread carrier with frigates it does very very good dmg at least in the past.
im not very active in the game at this moment.

as for the rest you think one way i think another we are at a standoff :)

[VoodooMike]

Originalmente postado por "Star":

The Hangar - Advanced Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is a Frigate Carrier Pet that can be installed and launched from the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier.

The Jemhadar have a one-hangar escort carrier as well. I don't have the escort carrier, but I've never run into a case where the frigates can't be equipped on all the ships of a given species unless they were frigates that came with the ship and said so from the beginning. If its the case here then its unique in that respect.

Originalmente postado por "Star":

Im not so sure about the other hangars for jem hadar that is not frigates if they do more or less dmg than the frigates does. but i do know on my tier 5-u dread carrier with frigates it does very very good dmg at least in the past.

Typically fighters do more damage assuming they stay alive... prior to them updating the hangar pets for improved survivability, fighters died constantly, so frigates had better overall damage simply because death drops your dps to 0. Now, its not as much of an issue.

I can't say for certain the Jemhadar fighters do more damage than the bugships, though... I only have the bugships in elite, and elite will do more damage regardless.

Originalmente postado por "n3mes1s":

Not a single carrier comes with a high tier hangar pet. You always need to obtain them and they always have a prerequisite that most of the times is you to have one or two specific ships.

The two Xindi-Aquatic dreads come with the Mobulai frigates, which are certainly the pets to use... the Tzen-Tar comes with the Shuk-din frigates - you don't need to actually own the Shuk-din ship to unlock them (nor does owning it unlock them). The shuk-din frigates are universal - they can be mounted in any hangar slot on any ship regardless of species.

I'd also say the sacophagus ships fighters are top tier... they do damned fine damage as well as being twice as fast to launch, and give the carrier temporary hit points every time they die (which they do.. constantly).

[Star]

Originalmente postado por VoodooMike:

Originalmente postado por "Star":

The Hangar - Advanced Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is a Frigate Carrier Pet that can be installed and launched from the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier.

Originalmente postado por "n3mes1s":

Not a single carrier comes with a high tier hangar pet. You always need to obtain them and they always have a prerequisite that most of the times is you to have one or two specific ships.

The two Xindi-Aquatic dreads come with the Mobulai frigates, which are certainly the pets to use... the Tzen-Tar comes with the Shuk-din frigates - you don't need to actually own the Shuk-din ship to unlock them (nor does owning it unlock them). The shuk-din frigates are universal - they can be mounted in any hangar slot on any ship regardless of species.

I'd also say the sacophagus ships fighters are top tier... they do damned fine damage as well as being twice as fast to launch, and give the carrier temporary hit points every time they die (which they do.. constantly).

long time ago when i played there was a klingon carrier with the spectres of death Feklihir or something that came with frigate and normal fighters pets from the get go.

also the jupiter comes with normal and frigate pets from the get go.

eaither way i just found it odd attack ship was not in the jemhadar pack for multiple reasons.
its t5 so what harm could it be to give it to those who pay and support the game.

[VoodooMike]

Originalmente postado por "Star":

long time ago when i played there was a klingon carrier with the spectres of death Feklihir or something that came with frigate and normal fighters pets from the get go.

There are plenty of carriers that come with frigates as their base pets, though the ship you're thinking of (the Kar'Fi) did not come with frigates, it came with skul fighters. Everyone used the frigate pets though, and those were automatically available to purchase once you owned the ship.

Originalmente postado por "Star":

Those cases are an exception because those are the default pets for those ships. A Jem hadar carrier could have the bug pets or the jem hadar fighters, two options, so logically the ship is going to get the worst ones. The cases you mentioned (and im sure there are others) dont have that option.

The JHDC comes with the fighers. It did as a T5 ship, it did as a T6 ship. In most cases even if a carrier has frigates it can mount, it comes with fighters by default. In recent years they've had some carriers which come with frigates by default and often have no species-specific fighters. Almost all frigates are either ship-specific or species-specific... with the most recent exception of the Tzen-Tar which gives you frigates that can be put in ANY hangar slot on ANY ship.

Originalmente postado por "n3mes1s":

And again, im pretty sure (because it is how it works) those xindi pets are the lowest tier and you can go to the dilithium store and buy better versions.

If by "tier" you mean Basic vs Advanced vs Elite then yes, always starts basic. Your statement was, however, that to get "high tier" hangar pets generally required the owning of another ship, which suggested you didn't mean rarity, you meant actual hangar pets themselves.

[uni790]

In all honesty, I'm confused about why everyone is clamoring about these hanger pets, that you woln't actually even use, you're going to wind up with Elite swarmers, or Elite Romulan fighters instead anyway.

Sure, the "bug ship" is iconic, but other then that, it's just a waste of credits and time at this point.

[Nimbull]

I'd recommend this pack if you are interested in Keeping up with the Cardassians. But yeah unless you're a big Dominion/Cardassian fan it's not worth the money.