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Kelvin timeline FINALLY dead!
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-trek/278518/star-trek-4-canceled

Rejoice, loyal Trekkers, the Abrams-verse, that horrid Kelvin timeline, has been vanquished!

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!
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Автор сообщения: Kamiyama
According to Memory Alpha, Nero also destroyed Vulcan in the prime universe.

Whoever wrote Nero into existence must have really hated Star Trek. Romulans and Vulcans are two staples of the Star Trek Universe. We can't get rid of them.

IMO they need to retconn Nero. Spock should save Romulus with his red matter thing and the Kelvin timeline should never happen.

Whomever wrote that into Memory Alpha clearly vandalized it, then, because I saw the movie, and Prime Vulcan wasn't destroyed. Only Kelvin Vulcan and Prime Romulus.

That said it would easy to canon-retcon the whole thing out as you suggest: just change the ending of the Iconian arc to where you make the right decision instead of running with the idiot ball. If you think about it, saving the Iconians was just dumb. The right course of action would have been to let Sela finish them off. After all, there was a bloody good reason the galaxy tried to kill them, they were galactic tyrants! If Sela were allowed to finish the task, however... No Hakeev, no Nero, no Hobus Supernova, and all the damage done while using the Krenim vessel in an attempt to change the timeline would also be reversed.

Quite frankly, it's an out that was left wide open. You just give Sela the chance to exterminate the Iconians and then lock her up and throw away the key (she was bad long before the Hobus incident after all). It would be like how Doctor Who used the cracks in the universe in Series 5 to undo some of the over-the-top silliness of RTD, and would be an in-universe canon retcon.
Автор сообщения: Running-Target
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-F3qFVDvMA

Ah yes, Doomdick. Aka one of the prime examples of why everything on the Internet isn't true.

Him and Midnight's Edge are largely considered the purveyours of false or otherwise misleading information (note the unwillingness to actually reveal the original sources of what he says, and note that he says Discovery will be canceled, but mention of that in any other legitimate media sources is missing).
Отредактировано ImperatorPavel; 11 янв. 2019 г. в 5:57
Автор сообщения: =(eGO)= ImperatorPavel
Him and Midnight's Edge are largely considered the purveyours of false or otherwise misleading information (note the unwillingness to actually reveal the original sources of what he says, and note that he says Discovery will be canceled, but mention of that in any other legitimate media sources is missing).

I posted a link to a genuine source for this kinda stuff in my OP. I don't use YouTubers as references. According to my source, the Kelvin timeline is dead, but Discovery is still alive and will be because the guy suing them was a poor incompetent ♥♥♥♥.

Sucks, because Discovery getting cancelled is the best thing that can happen to Star Trek. In fact, Discvery is worse than the Kelvin timeline because at least the latter has a canon explanation for things being different. Discovery violates canon in about a million different ways never before seen in the franchise and is a cancer to the fandom. As I said, Discovery is the Highlander 2 of Star Trek. It needed to either be in the Kelvin timline or be later down the timeline.

Discovery was so poorly written and mismanaged I'm shocked CBS puts up with it. Whomever is in charge of that stuff is a moron who needs to be fired, but is likely making millions of dollars for being an idiot instead. I can write better in my sleep.
Автор сообщения: GreenCatGurl
Автор сообщения: =(eGO)= ImperatorPavel
Him and Midnight's Edge are largely considered the purveyours of false or otherwise misleading information (note the unwillingness to actually reveal the original sources of what he says, and note that he says Discovery will be canceled, but mention of that in any other legitimate media sources is missing).

I posted a link to a genuine source for this kinda stuff in my OP. I don't use YouTubers as references. According to my source, the Kelvin timeline is dead, but Discovery is still alive and will be because the guy suing them was a poor incompetent ♥♥♥♥.

Other bits of this quote a rambling opinion that do not spare need to repeat.

Yeah, I was talking about the post I quoted, not yours GreenCatGurl. Yours is actually a legit source, unlike Doomidiot.

If you've followed the lawsuit, Abdin has 10 weeks to prove that CBS (or at least someone in the creative people behind Discovery) looked at his game. On Steam Greenlight...

Otherwise, his case gets dismissed.
Отредактировано ImperatorPavel; 11 янв. 2019 г. в 13:01
Not exactly a Star Trek fan here (even though i treat it as a fun sci-fi thing for the most part) I'm fine with that as long as they don't remove the Vengeance from STO.
is it weird that like discovery?
Автор сообщения: superg05
is it weird that like discovery?

No, imho. People have different tastes. What others can dislike others like.

Ideally, those who like the older series would take that in stride and use one's like of the new series (assuming said person had never seen Star Trek before) and introduce them to the older series. But no, it's far better to call them an idiot and hate on them for liking what you don't like (see any post from the troll n3mes1s).
Отредактировано ImperatorPavel; 13 янв. 2019 г. в 7:36
Автор сообщения: superg05
is it weird that like discovery?

Not as such. From what I've seen, I'd consider it okay if it were a standalone show.

Really, it's kind of like I tend to say that modern-day fetish fantasy film with Halle Berry would've been just run-of-the-mill popcorn cinema fare if they hadn't called it Catwoman. Still, I'd consider anyone saying they think it's a good Catwoman film a candidate for permanent lock-up at a mental institution.

Similarly, if you had explicitly said you like Discovery as Star Trek, I'd consider that weird.
Отредактировано The Arkady; 13 янв. 2019 г. в 8:53
Yes, if Discovery were a standalone show with no reference to Star Trek... It'd be okay. The Spore Drive and Tardigrade stuff would still be stupid as hell, but that's not an issue anymore as I've heard those got removed late in the season.

In addition, if it took place in the Star Trek universe LATER in the timeline (2456 instead of 2256), the only stupid thing would be the Tardigrade silliness as they could change the Spore Drive to some experiemental transwarp tech.

It's not bad because the core is bad, it's bad because of its placement in canon. Truth be told, I know I'll eventually watch it... and probably like some bits and pieces of it, particularly regarding Michelle Yeoh's character and the Terran Empire subterfuge aspects (and this "Captain Killy"sounds fun)... I just know I will not like Michael Burnham or any of the Tardigrade crap.

I'll likely head-canon it as a third separate timeline from the Prime and Kelvin, and then hope it's never mentioned in anything that takes place further on down the timeline outside of STO.

What are the odds of them switching the lead role away from Michael Burnham to someone more appropriate? I mean putting the focus on her would be like if The Next Generation put focus on freaking Ro Laren as the main character.
Отредактировано PyroSaphuron; 13 янв. 2019 г. в 14:45
Автор сообщения: GreenCatGurl
Yes, if Discovery were a standalone show with no reference to Star Trek... It'd be okay. The Spore Drive and Tardigrade stuff would still be stupid as hell, but that's not an issue anymore as I've heard those got removed late in the season.

In addition, if it took place in the Star Trek universe LATER in the timeline (2456 instead of 2256), the only stupid thing would be the Tardigrade silliness as they could change the Spore Drive to some experiemental transwarp tech.

It's not bad because the core is bad, it's bad because of its placement in canon. Truth be told, I know I'll eventually watch it... and probably like some bits and pieces of it, particularly regarding Michelle Yeoh's character and the Terran Empire subterfuge aspects (and this "Captain Killy"sounds fun)... I just know I will not like Michael Burnham or any of the Tardigrade crap.

I'll likely head-canon it as a third separate timeline from the Prime and Kelvin, and then hope it's never mentioned in anything that takes place further on down the timeline outside of STO.

What are the odds of them switching the lead role away from Michael Burnham to someone more appropriate? I mean putting the focus on her would be like if The Next Generation put focus on freaking Ro Laren as the main character.

Yeah supposedly of season one the tardigrade itself was only involved in 2 episodes. I doubt there's much chance of them switching to a more expected "bridge crew" focus, though.

It'll be interesting where they take it.

Although don't be suprised if they do end up referencing the Discovery or things she did in future shows. Despite your headcanon, DSC is Prime canon (although I still like the whole "see the story as canon, not the visuals" approach myself).
Oh I know it's Prime canon. Hence why I said I'm just head-canon it and hope they don't mention it in, say, the Picard series. I am painfully aware it's full Prime canon, I just don't like it. The technology used in Discovery, even if you account for graphics, is superior to the tech in TOS in basically every way. Also, I am really sick of prequels. Is it really that hard to move forward?

Personally there is one thing Discovery can do in its eventual finale that would... in other stories it would be horrid, but here, it would actually be brilliant and completely redeem the entire series. That, of course, would be a finale wherein some timey wimey stuff happens akin to Doctor Who Series 5 and the cracks in the universe and just completely erases all the events of Discovery (thus preserving the original TOS canon and explaining why none of it was ever mentioned). Perhaps it could tie in to an official introduction of the Iconians as proper supervillains. Have a crossover featuring Discovery, Picard, and even bring back Jameway and Sisko for one more go. I know it won't happen, but dammit, it would be off the hook. And only the second time in the history of fiction that an in-universe timey-retcon was done right.
Отредактировано PyroSaphuron; 13 янв. 2019 г. в 18:07
Автор сообщения: GreenCatGurl
Also, I am really sick of prequels. Is it really that hard to move forward?

This. This really annoys me as well.

Personally in terms of tech I mostly just see it as our view of what "future tech" might be changes as we progress ourselves. Yeah, that doesn't excuse the tech changes in the show itself, of course. But it at least makes sense to me why they go and revisit the tech shown in TOS (with what the Discovery herself has), to account for our more modern day and age.

If the rumors are right and they're aiming for an MCU but with Star Trek setting up the Iconians as an ancient evil that might be fun. Assuming that they don't adopt STO's "Time travel fries an Iconian's brain" bit.
Отредактировано ImperatorPavel; 13 янв. 2019 г. в 18:18
After reading "Star trek version of the MCU", now I wish we had gotten a movie were we could of had a crossover movie with every single shows cast (not disc...) and every single movie. Itd be stupid and impossible to do without breaking every rule theyve tried to keep (perhaps use time travel since that just vetos any star trek logic), and probably be ♥♥♥♥, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ itd be amazing to watch Picard, Kirk, Janeway, Sisko, and Archer join together to kick iconian butt.

Can someone make this into a fan fiction please? Itd be so bad its good.
The only reason it's been shelved is likely because Paramount wants to focus on their other Star Trek based projects, they have a lot of other things that are doing well. I personally had nothing against the Kelvin timeline movies they were my first real exposure to the Star Trek universe because when they first came out I was a 17 year old who thought TOS was slow and boring, which for today's day and age if it's your first exposure TOS is really a snorefest you really have to want to watch it to enjoy it. Proud to say my mission to watch every bit of Star Trek is going strong, with all of TOS including that animated series and movies one through six watched with a whole new appreciation for what they were. It's honestly given me an even greater appreciation of the Kelvin timeline because it's nice to look at the similarities and differences between the characters in the timelines. I can say I have enjoyed the TOS movies more than the Kelvin movies but they aren't bad. I think there's a lot of people out there who like them both they just don't like to admit it because for some reason a lot of us Star Trek fans are divisive when it comes to the timelines nothing wrong with liking both.
I like both timelines, however I think JJ leans toward Star Wars a little to often but as long as they take care NEVER to call it prime cannon then it will be ok with me as for Discovery: I don't subscribe to CBS all access so I have never seen the show. I do have a NETFLIX account and hoping that someday I can see Discovery reruns via NETFLIX. Right now the rules are NETFLIX can show Discovery all over the planet -where they have streaming rights-, except not in the USA! CBS all axcess covers that. For now.

As for Jan Luc Picard or Pick ard as 'Q' sometimes calls him. Lol. I hope Sir. Patrick Stewart has enough integrity not to let 'them' screw up the Picard charectar.
Отредактировано El Presidente; 14 янв. 2019 г. в 12:12
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