beam weapons

[Cerberus Shepard]

I m looking for info on beam weapons and a quick mission that will enable me pick up a matched set (phaser dmg is prefered but i am flexible on this) currently level 65 FED with a ferengi D'kora


i will take a look at the exchancge.....although most of my EC whent on the ship(5.5mill) still have 3 mill left so may find something

will also look into crafting(lnot somthing i enjoy in most games)

i am working on my reps currently at level 1 with 3 of them(delta,gamma and Terran) and level 0 with the rest

Thanks Guys!

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by "Nemesis_2k7":

umm i beg to differ. i was playing this just recently, when they came out. you are confused with the kelvin timeline weapons. these are discovery weapons.

Agony Phasers are Terran Empire weapons, and they came out in the Mirror Incursion Lock Box back in January of 2016. Discovery didn't even air until September of the following year. This is all independently verifiable.

We're not even talking about tough homework here... and you get to use the internet.

[Nemesis2k7]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by "Nemesis_2k7":

umm i beg to differ. i was playing this just recently, when they came out. you are confused with the kelvin timeline weapons. these are discovery weapons.

Agony Phasers are Terran Empire weapons, and they came out in the Mirror Incursion Lock Box back in January of 2016. Discovery didn't even air until September of the following year. This is all independently verifiable.

We're not even talking about tough homework here... and you get to use the internet.

TLDR

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Nemesis_2k7:

TLDR

Very true. The Troll did Lose because he Didn't Read.

[Nemesis2k7]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by Nemesis_2k7:

TLDR

Very true. The Troll did Lose because he Didn't Read.

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[Numenorean]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by "Numenorean":

So while it is true that plasma is gated at 2.5% chance to activate the DOT; but the damage is more substantial than the agony's 15 seconds of DOT effect that happen all the time.

Well, the per-second damage is higher, but not proportionally higher based on the 2.5% proc chance per weapon cycle. It would need to be around 40x higher.... assuming, of course, that there's identical stacking. STO has always been good about random inconsistency and buggy implementation.

Originally posted by "Numenorean":

Otherwise don't you think that the community would ask for it to be nerfed, and everyone in PVP would carry that beam type? I can't get exact numbers since my build is pure plasma and I don't have any of the Agony ones; but if someone has XII or XIII agony, I would like to see the stats on those.

Well, between them being non-standard (no pen) phasers and it being a DoT, I think they're destined to be an unpopular weapon in PVP regardless of how they work. My point was simply that if you're absolutely set on using phasers then Agony is a good way to go. Pulse is almost certainly the best way to go but they'll be very expensive, and they'll make your ears bleed.

If you're looking for absolute maximization, which is more in line with what you're talking about, then the best advice is "don't use phasers at all". I bought mine for cosmetic reasons - I wanted something that best matched the hurq mining lasers, and which, for hurq fluff reasons, was phaser-based. Ironically, the actual hurq phasers (phasic harmonic) look less like those mining phasers than agony.

Makes sense; I did choose the weapons mostly for the visuals; have a couple of builds with different weapons (all beams, all turrets; cannons and such), and for PVE they are almost identical. I don't do PVP so to me, a build is mostly based on what I like from the visual perspective, and not necessarily to maximize the DOT or DPS.

[Kithelle]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by "Numenorean":

So while it is true that plasma is gated at 2.5% chance to activate the DOT; but the damage is more substantial than the agony's 15 seconds of DOT effect that happen all the time.

Well, the per-second damage is higher, but not proportionally higher based on the 2.5% proc chance per weapon cycle. It would need to be around 40x higher.... assuming, of course, that there's identical stacking. STO has always been good about random inconsistency and buggy implementation.

Originally posted by "Numenorean":

Otherwise don't you think that the community would ask for it to be nerfed, and everyone in PVP would carry that beam type? I can't get exact numbers since my build is pure plasma and I don't have any of the Agony ones; but if someone has XII or XIII agony, I would like to see the stats on those.

Well, between them being non-standard (no pen) phasers and it being a DoT, I think they're destined to be an unpopular weapon in PVP regardless of how they work. My point was simply that if you're absolutely set on using phasers then Agony is a good way to go. Pulse is almost certainly the best way to go but they'll be very expensive, and they'll make your ears bleed.

If you're looking for absolute maximization, which is more in line with what you're talking about, then the best advice is "don't use phasers at all". I bought mine for cosmetic reasons - I wanted something that best matched the hurq mining lasers, and which, for hurq fluff reasons, was phaser-based. Ironically, the actual hurq phasers (phasic harmonic) look less like those mining phasers than agony.

If you're looking for a weapon that looks like the mining laser I personally think pulse phasers are closer looking to the mining laser.

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Sorotia:

If you're looking for a weapon that looks like the mining laser I personally think pulse phasers are closer looking to the mining laser.

How do you figure? Pulse lasers are intermittent firing weapons that make even the beams look like cannons, are they not? The mining lasers are a continuous-fire beam. Keep in mind that the mining lasers in question are not the console mining laser, they're the Hurq mining lasers from the swarmers and the experimental weapon, if that makes a cosmetic difference.

The colour on the agony phasers was closer to the colour of the mining lasers in question than even the hurq harmonic phasers (or seemed to be), and having normal-firing beams is certainly closer, visually, than pulse-y cannon-fire style.

[Kithelle]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by Sorotia:

If you're looking for a weapon that looks like the mining laser I personally think pulse phasers are closer looking to the mining laser.

How do you figure? Pulse lasers are intermittent firing weapons that make even the beams look like cannons, are they not? The mining lasers are a continuous-fire beam. Keep in mind that the mining lasers in question are not the console mining laser, they're the Hurq mining lasers from the swarmers and the experimental weapon, if that makes a cosmetic difference.

The colour on the agony phasers was closer to the colour of the mining lasers in question than even the hurq harmonic phasers (or seemed to be), and having normal-firing beams is certainly closer, visually, than pulse-y cannon-fire style.

Umm...they're definitely beams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFldM_LWK8I

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Sorotia:

Umm...they're definitely beams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFldM_LWK8I

Ah right, its that they flicker on and off and make everyone go deaf. Regardless, they're not more like mining lasers than regular beams.

[Kithelle]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by Sorotia:

Umm...they're definitely beams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFldM_LWK8I

Ah right, its that they flicker on and off and make everyone go deaf. Regardless, they're not more like mining lasers than regular beams.

Other than the mining lazer has the flickering pulse effect along with it's beam and they're of similar color.

But yes...keep thinking a orange beam that looks nothing at all like the brown mining lazer looks so alike just because you obviously don't like pulse phasers.

You don't seem biased at all ;)

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Sorotia:

Other than the mining lazer has the flickering pulse effect along with it's beam and they're of similar color.

The beam on the mining lasers is one, long persistent beam that periodically sends a thicker bit of energy down the beam at the target... so, we can call that a "pulse" of energy i suppose, but its not that the beam is strobing like the pulse phasers do.

Originally posted by Sorotia:

But yes...keep thinking a orange beam that looks nothing at all like the brown mining lazer looks so alike just because you obviously don't like pulse phasers.

You don't seem biased at all ;)

They're the closest thing I've found to the hurq mining lasers. As for pulse phasers... I suppose if you'd actually read this thread rather than TL;DR commented, you wouldn't have to guess at my feelings on the sort you're advocating.

[The Emperor Of Mankind]

I don't know about anyone else , but I've been running a full set of AP beams for about 4 years now. I have yet to find something that grabs my attention from them as of yet.

[Kamiyama]

If you're tight on cash and want a full set of matching phaser beams, I would recommend leveling up the 8472 Counter-Command reputation. Once it get it to tier IV you can buy Bio-Molecular phasers from the reputation store. They cost a little dilithium each, but not much EC at all. I think it's a couple thousand EC and dilithium per beam array.

The rep store has weapons with different mods, so you'll be able to pick from different options without paying out the nose like you would on the exchange.

Coincidentally the same rep store has the Undine kits, and there's an Undine kit in there with two Kit Performance mods on it. Unbound kits with the same two mods are listed for over a million EC on the exchange.

If you use tech upgrades on that kit and get it to epic, it can get a third Kit Performance mod on it, and similar kits are listed for over 10 million EC on the exchange.

[Kithelle]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by Sorotia:

Other than the mining lazer has the flickering pulse effect along with it's beam and they're of similar color.

The beam on the mining lasers is one, long persistent beam that periodically sends a thicker bit of energy down the beam at the target... so, we can call that a "pulse" of energy i suppose, but its not that the beam is strobing like the pulse phasers do.

Originally posted by Sorotia:

But yes...keep thinking a orange beam that looks nothing at all like the brown mining lazer looks so alike just because you obviously don't like pulse phasers.

You don't seem biased at all ;)

They're the closest thing I've found to the hurq mining lasers. As for pulse phasers... I suppose if you'd actually read this thread rather than TL;DR commented, you wouldn't have to guess at my feelings on the sort you're advocating.

Pulse Phasers look more like the mining lazers than Phasers does, your bias against Pulse Phasers doesn't negate that.

There is no energy weapon in the game that fires a constant beam....none.

Pulse Phasers are similar in color and that have flicker effects just like the mining lazer.

I'm sorry you don't like the truth but the truth is the truth.

But I'm guessing you ignore the video because you hate Pulse Phasers.

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by "Sorotia":

Pulse Phasers look more like the mining lazers than Phasers does, your bias against Pulse Phasers doesn't negate that.

Ok, whack-job... lets take a step back and try to imagine a world in which my cosmetic choices - and that's what we're talking about in this case - are somehow going to be dictated by your assertion that your cosmetic opinion is objectively true while my cosmetic opinion is objectively false.

See, that's why you read a thread before jumping in, guns blazing - so you can figure out if what you're planning to argue about makes sense, or makes you look like a crazy person.

Originally posted by "Sorotia":

There is no energy weapon in the game that fires a constant beam....none.

There's no base energy type, no.. but beam arrays typically fire long-period beams during their firing cycle. Pulse phasers fire beams, but they flicker on and off like a strobe light during their firing cycle. The hurq mining lasers fire one consistent beam that periodically throws a brighter bit down the beam toward the target. That's not strobing, that's closer to the long-period beams of normal arrays.

Disagree? Oh no! Unfortunately for you, my opinion means more than your opinion when it comes to my choices for ship cosmetics. Boo hoo.

Originally posted by "Sorotia":

Pulse Phasers are similar in color and that have flicker effects just like the mining lazer.

Just like, eh? You should go pull up some videos of hurq swarmer pets in action, or the hurq ravager using its experimental weapon. Also, there's no Z in laser.. the word is an acronym.

Originally posted by "Sorotia":

I'm sorry you don't like the truth but the truth is the truth.

Ok, nutbar.

Originally posted by "Sorotia":

But I'm guessing you ignore the video because you hate Pulse Phasers.

You caught me... I'm a filthy bigot! #PulsePhaserLivesMatter! I have a full set of Pulse Phasers for other uses, but those "other uses" tend to be griefing my buddies during TFOs since they are the most aesthetically irritating base weapons in the game. The noise they make gets old in a big hurry, and all the flickering is distracting. If I'm planning to min/max I don't use phasers of any variety.

Oh no... I'm a dirty phaser-hater too! Quick, call the Huffington Post!