About Age of Discovery - can someone explain WTH is going on ?

[MonkeyEmperor]

I have just come back to STO as I thought I would give it a look. The last time I played was making a new Temporal Agent in Agents of Yesterday. I watched STD and just decided it made no sense in terms of the `classic` timeline as the Discovery appeared to be about 100 times more advanced than the Enterprise in TNG. Also the whole look of the Klingons made no sense and I just thought `ok I am going to treat this as some sort of alternate reality`.

Anyway can someone explain to me what is happening now ? I assume there is some sort of melting of alternate realities and timelines? Is there even an explanation or have the devs just decided that every version of Star Trek is just one big melting pot with no real reason behind all the mixed tech and clashing timelines?

[Fedora01]

sadly this can be answered in one swift word: CBS

[ImperatorPavel]

Originally posted by Fedora01:

sadly this can be answered in one swift word: CBS

This. CBS says Discovery is Prime Timeline canon so that's just what it is. Since STO is a licensed game, STO follows along what CBS says is Prime.

[Agnithrax]

It's not that bad, the Disco intro isn't far different from the Temporal agent one; pretty much a tutorial box where you end up time warped to 2410 at the end then everythings the same as always again. The tie in is a Klingon named Jewel erm J'UL who I suspect will be a time warped baddie in at least 3 or 6 more Disco episode runs to be released. My fear is with the episode redesign you'll have to do older content in order to unlock subsequent content. I haven't fully tested this though, it is merey speculation, but I'm suspicious it may be the case. Also, at least one juicy run with very rare phaser buff tac consoles has been switched to some torpedo crap making me fear to look at my staple very rare neutronium and field generator run but I bet that got the nerf hammer too. Make yourself a Jem'Hadar toon, they're starting at level cap or near abouts and it'll encourage you that STO can still make some awesomesauce too. It's got a 100% shield defeat throwing knife and Odo says the best line in the game "Previously on Star Trek Online."

[MonkeyEmperor]

Ok well.. Like I thought all the timelines are mushed into one and apparently there are at least two types of Klingons.

The STD timeline being the `prime` one makes about as much sense as a monkey singing while riding a unicycle.

[ImperatorPavel]

Originally posted by Agnithrax:

It's not that bad, the Disco intro isn't far different from the Temporal agent one; pretty much a tutorial box where you end up time warped to 2410 at the end then everythings the same as always again. The tie in is a Klingon named Jewel erm J'UL who I suspect will be a time warped baddie in at least 3 or 6 more Disco episode runs to be released. My fear is with the episode redesign you'll have to do older content in order to unlock subsequent content. I haven't fully tested this though, it is merey speculation, but I'm suspicious it may be the case. Also, at least one juicy run with very rare phaser buff tac consoles has been switched to some torpedo crap making me fear to look at my staple very rare neutronium and field generator run but I bet that got the nerf hammer too. Make yourself a Jem'Hadar toon, they're starting at level cap or near abouts and it'll encourage you that STO can still make some awesomesauce too. It's got a 100% shield defeat throwing knife and Odo says the best line in the game "Previously on Star Trek Online."

I haven't bothered to make a Disco character myself, but do episodes have level locks anymore? Plus the disco episodes are going to most likely be Featured Episodes, meaning that they can be played as long as you're over level 10 and have chosen a faction.

[Agnithrax]

---=* S P O I L E R S *=---

The Disco toon has a closed tutorial map with a past Star Fleet academy mod and the Tilly character doing voice over congrats like Spock does on normal Fed toons. You do get 1 Very Rare Human Tactical Boff from it all thats decent though. The tutorial leads into the 3 AoD episodes as a real time run where for the other toons it's lampshaded as a holo suite run but at the finale you get time warped and have a Daniels cut scene where he tells you you've been reported destroyed so everything is copacetic for you to just chill in 2409. You even get the same Temporal Agent cosplay gag when you rez into Earth Spacedock as when you do a Tempral Agent but you don't really get to join the Time Agent club. Altogether for a Disco toon there are only really 6 missions semi-unique to playing one so far. In addition to hanging out with Tilly the tutorial lets you fly wingman with Captain Shran from Enterprise who is now with Star Fleet and altogether the whole dealio takes maybe 2 hours at most even with turning over all the rocks to see whats underneath so if you want to create a toon, check it out and then delete it for the slot back; why not y'know. There isn't any Klingon variant unfortunately as for level locks, there doesn't seem to be one per se but the unlock progression seems to be with linear progression in mind and I haven't checked to see if a skip mission allows the next one to be unlocked or if you're stuck having to do the missions linearly so I guess it could be an even harder coated level lock if that's the way it is. I can't really say anything definite on just skipping to the reward laden missions yet if the tastey lewts are even still there, I'm assuming getting to the Delta quadrant is still mission locked and my toon would still be dead meat taking him in there; I'm going to give it a go when I sit him into a lvl 50 Battlecruiser and see what's what, so far I've been leveling after most every real mission or every other in light of the PvE that closes out and the exposition missions that kick off new episodes; regardless leveling up is going nice and fast so far at about a level a mission which seems to be an intentional balance to maximize them dopamine hits. Cheers and I'll let you know about the level locks when I try it. I'm just now thinking the missions that aren't replayable are the exposition ones to avoid easy xp juicing but I haven't taken the time to sort that out either although it seems more likely the more I think about it and less likely that I'll screw myself out of any non-replayable stuff through a skip.

[Ghost]

It is suppost to be in the same timeline with a diff ship. This story actually makes 0 sense due to the first warp ship being the nx001. And this story is the "other ship" in the same time.
Op u r right tonsay it makes mo sense as for original story. But not a bad... Series.. Not star trek but not bad.

[Bruceusa2086]

Originally posted by Fedora01:

sadly this can be answered in one swift word: CBS

Actually there's two owners of the rights to Star Trek: CBS for the tv shows, Paramount for the movies.....not sure if paramount owns the rights to the rebooted movies or if CBS owns the rights to the rebooted movies....

[ImperatorPavel]

Originally posted by bruceusa2086:

Originally posted by Fedora01:

sadly this can be answered in one swift word: CBS

Actually there's two owners of the rights to Star Trek: CBS for the tv shows, Paramount for the movies.....not sure if paramount owns the rights to the rebooted movies or if CBS owns the rights to the rebooted movies....

Paramount made the JJ movies. CBS owns the Trek copyright in general and makes the TV shows (including Discovery).

[Sandormen]

I wanted to see the tutorial, and the two episodes, so I created a toon. She is now level ~18 and rotting in ESD.
The fancy starter-ship is outleveled, the novelty of the pistol and rifle is gone.
There are no point whatsoever in continuing that toon. None.

[Vellari]

Originally posted by Sandormen:

The fancy starter-ship is outleveled, the novelty of the pistol and rifle is gone.

If you mean the prototype light escort, that levels up with you up to T4 including the beams it has if you don't mind phasers. So at L18 it's not "outleveled", it's barely scaled up at all at that point.

[Phade]

Originally posted by MonkeyEmperor:

I have just come back to STO as I thought I would give it a look. The last time I played was making a new Temporal Agent in Agents of Yesterday. I watched STD and just decided it made no sense in terms of the `classic` timeline as the Discovery appeared to be about 100 times more advanced than the Enterprise in TNG. Also the whole look of the Klingons made no sense and I just thought `ok I am going to treat this as some sort of alternate reality`.

Anyway can someone explain to me what is happening now ? I assume there is some sort of melting of alternate realities and timelines? Is there even an explanation or have the devs just decided that every version of Star Trek is just one big melting pot with no real reason behind all the mixed tech and clashing timelines?

Discovery is a piece of crap with so many plot holes and lore breaks that its better off not worrying about it.

[Barbarian Jon]

Ignore the STD crap in game. Play it for the actual lore. TOS, TNG, Voy, DS9, Enterprise even...
Discovery is a cancer, no one asked for it. The number of people whom want it are few and limited. But CBS owns the rights, sadly. So my fleet just acts like it's an alternate timeline stuff.
Multiverse theory and all.

A badly written one that will only hurt the actors careers, which is horrible. Because I liked them.

[Wolf Echo]

I don't know about the show itself, since I don't watch it, but in game the AoD content is pretty limited, so making a disco toon versus a regular starfleet one is no difference in the long run. You can ignore it or make a toon and see for yourself. Like someone else said, it'll take you maybe 2 hours to get through the AoD intro levels after which the game just become the same STO everyone plays.

That being said, I like the AoD intro. But I'm a bit biased 'cause I only started playing like a week or so ago and my first (now main) toon is an AoD one.

[Sandormen]

Originally posted by Vellari:

Originally posted by Sandormen:

The fancy starter-ship is outleveled, the novelty of the pistol and rifle is gone.

If you mean the prototype light escort, that levels up with you up to T4 including the beams it has if you don't mind phasers. So at L18 it's not "outleveled", it's barely scaled up at all at that point.

No. I am talking about the Malachowsky Light Cruiser.
-Not the Prototype Light Exploration Cruiser that comes with the 750 Zen Starter-pack.