Legion battles and enemies retreating

[Servus futuens]

I've been doing some playing and testing the new legion battle system. So far I'm liking the new system, since now you can actually defeat your enemies in combat and have to care for your centuriones!

But, I think there's a new bug or a big inconsistency/illogical outcome. If I defeat an army down to 0 men, they will still retreat normally without scattering (if I didn't scatter them). This alone isn't a big deal to me, who cares it's a visual thing only when a 0 man army is moving etc. The thing I do have a problem is that when that 0 man army regroups at an outpost, it seems to add men to that outpost anyways. I've had up to 1000 men added from a retreating army of 0. This makes zero sense to me. What's the point of killing the enemy army if they still make their way back from the land of the dead into the ranks of the enemy?

Outpost enemy counts/attacking armies are also really inconsistent. Outpost with 200 men can attack with an army of 1500. This pulling men out of thin air I can sort of justify with having some meaningful impact on the attack. Small 100-200 man army attacking is laughable and wouldn't make much sense gameplay wise. But it is really annoying when an outpost of 1000 suddenly doubles after attacking you. I haven't observed this yet but I believe it's as possible as 1000 men from zero.

EDIT: It seems 0 man army also reduces outposts' manpower randomly. Some outpost went from roughly 1000 men to 900 men so I don't even know anymore.

EDIT2: Just attacked a 2500 manpower outpost that actually just had about 100 men and 3400 army experience to compensate (-100 morale). Pretty strong men those 100 tough guys :D This explains the change when a 0 men army returns to an outpost. It probably brings in tons of "experience" to the old army despite all of them are dead. Too bad the army melted instantly from the -enemy manpower debuffs and the battle ended instantly. They still retreated :)

[Chaoslink]

Just clarifying though you do seem aware of it, army strength isn’t manpower. An army’s bar at the top of the battle scene can reach 0 and the enemy army can still have active manpower. Army strength is a combined measure that includes boosts or reductions from experience and morale in addition to manpower. So you can reduce enemy strength to 0 and still have forces retreat.

[Shiny49]

But I think the point - that the system seems bugged - is right. I am stuck in Act 1 because I cant take the last sector. The enemy attacks me like every 5 days with 1500 men, I win whil reducing them to like 200 soldiers, the army runs back to the fort and the stationed force there gains 3000 army strength. When I attack on the other hand I always lose the battle while the enemy does not lose any soldier at all.

I don't have any quests to do anymore, Money goes into replenishing my legion and I am forced to max out either infantry or arty every battle to scatter the army to prevent the fort army from growing.

It annoys me that my iron man save file with the invested hours is basically broken now.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Shiny49:

But I think the point - that the system seems bugged - is right. I am stuck in Act 1 because I cant take the last sector. The enemy attacks me like every 5 days with 1500 men, I win whil reducing them to like 200 soldiers, the army runs back to the fort and the stationed force there gains 3000 army strength. When I attack on the other hand I always lose the battle while the enemy does not lose any soldier at all.

I don't have any quests to do anymore, Money goes into replenishing my legion and I am forced to max out either infantry or arty every battle to scatter the army to prevent the fort army from growing.

It annoys me that my iron man save file with the invested hours is basically broken now.

I mean, you just have to keep the pressure on until you batter them down. Not really a way around it if they've built their forces up that much.

[Shiny49]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Shiny49:

But I think the point - that the system seems bugged - is right. I am stuck in Act 1 because I cant take the last sector. The enemy attacks me like every 5 days with 1500 men, I win whil reducing them to like 200 soldiers, the army runs back to the fort and the stationed force there gains 3000 army strength. When I attack on the other hand I always lose the battle while the enemy does not lose any soldier at all.

I don't have any quests to do anymore, Money goes into replenishing my legion and I am forced to max out either infantry or arty every battle to scatter the army to prevent the fort army from growing.

It annoys me that my iron man save file with the invested hours is basically broken now.

I mean, you just have to keep the pressure on until you batter them down. Not really a way around it if they've built their forces up that much.

The relative number is also bugged/capped at 9099. Even if I attack the enemy force it will stay at 9099, even in the battles in the top bar the value stays at 9099. I am still wondering if they maybe have more than that but the game can not display it.

[Servus futuens]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Just clarifying though you do seem aware of it, army strength isn’t manpower. An army’s bar at the top of the battle scene can reach 0 and the enemy army can still have active manpower. Army strength is a combined measure that includes boosts or reductions from experience and morale in addition to manpower. So you can reduce enemy strength to 0 and still have forces retreat.

Yeah I'm fully aware. I just think that maybe it would be best if the enemy army was fully defeated when you reduce the soldier count to 0 even if "enemy scattering" wasn't triggered.

It's also a bit counter intuitive having few hundred men with the experience of thousands. I think maybe there should be a hard cap to experience based on the amount of soldiers you or the enemy has, like maximum 2-3 times the experience compared to soldiers. That way a lone soldier can't have the strength of literally thousand men.

Originally posted by Shiny49:

But I think the point - that the system seems bugged - is right. I am stuck in Act 1 because I cant take the last sector. The enemy attacks me like every 5 days with 1500 men, I win whil reducing them to like 200 soldiers, the army runs back to the fort and the stationed force there gains 3000 army strength. When I attack on the other hand I always lose the battle while the enemy does not lose any soldier at all.

I don't have any quests to do anymore, Money goes into replenishing my legion and I am forced to max out either infantry or arty every battle to scatter the army to prevent the fort army from growing.

It annoys me that my iron man save file with the invested hours is basically broken now.

Ok that sucks man. I've never had that issue but it must be partially because of the new system I believe. Those 200 men must have tons of experience.