Expeditions: Rome

Expeditions: Rome

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Water Jan 29, 2023 @ 5:51pm
How did you end the game? [Spoilers]
-Marched on Rome
-Killed Lurco
-Became first emperor, first woman emperor
-Caseo was romanced, but turned against me after 'Marched on Rome'
-Pompey decided to sit out the final battle
-Married Cato, then killed him after I assassinated Cicero
-Killed Vercingtor...not gonna spell that one
-Killed Lunja in front of Cleopatra to tie up loose ends
-Saved Deinera from prison
-Calla was loyal until the very last dialogue, then she left when I decided to become emperor

Great game. VERY difficult at times, the Lurco ending caught me by complete surprise. Early Egypt and all of Gaul was pretty difficult.

Sucks that Caesar was only in the prologue, but makes sense since you are basically Caesar AND Augustus.
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asarokk Jan 29, 2023 @ 8:34pm 
I am working on getting all the different endings and choices, that are achievement related. I have to admit, I was initially surprised that Gaius Julius Caesar met his untimely death so early in the game. I'm not going to broach the subject of accuracy related to historical figures and events in the game, since I wouldn't know when to stop. However, I can explain to you why Caeso turns on us if we decide to cross the Rubicon with the legion/s.

Until Lurco finalizes his schemes to "temporarily" declare himself dictator, Rome was the Republic of Rome, run by a government where the highest political rank was consul and not dictator. As you no doubt can gather from the game, two consuls were elected each year by legislative assemblies. Further related details irrelevant.

In Act I, Lucius Licinius Lucullus was one of two consuls and then proconsul in Act II. Lucullus is an honorable and virtuous man of principle, one whom Caeso has admired and respected for a very long time. Caeso has adopted those same principles, he's extremely honorable and honest - he's given his entire life to the service of the Republic of Rome, its highest office, the senate and most importantly Roman Law - that's where his loyalty lies and not with someone who would march his legion/s past the Rubicon into Rome against Roman law which would lead to civilian casualties and senseless destruction of Rome. For a man of Caeso's worth, there's nothing that can justify those actions and I respect him a great deal for being unwilling to compromise his ideals and principle.

Lurco is of course a true villain - there's no denying that. Lurco has done everything in the shadows without leaving any concrete evidence and has effectively used his connections, his family name and the law to legally become dictator. Caeso is well aware what a difficult enemy Lurco is and he has very good reason to want him dead. Despite that, Caeso wishes to defeat him the same way Lucullus would, while retaining the moral high ground in accordance of Roman law and principles.

Note however that it is possible to convince him to have your back one last time in order to take down Lurco. If you betray your word that you'll restore order to the Republic but end up declaring yourself dictator, then you're not the person he believed you to be.

There may even be another ulterior reason for all that, and it has to do with the real Caeso Quinctius who was a patrician (aristocrat) and even though Caeso didn't exist at the same time as Gaius Julius Caesar, the patricians were notorious for their dislike of Gaius Julius Caesar because they thought Julius was too powerful and feared that his power would destroy the Roman Republic.

Calida and Caeso are inherently different but they share the same love and loyalty to Lucullus. While Caeso seeks justice for the murder of Lucullus, while Calida seeks revenge. As a speculator, she doesn't believe in honorable fights, but subterfuge - achieve her goals by any means necessary. That's why she will stick with you until the debt has been paid, but unless you take her on as your wife, then her loyalty to Lucullus and his principles will result in her departure.
Last edited by asarokk; Jan 29, 2023 @ 8:37pm
treahnurb Jan 30, 2023 @ 6:45am 
Jeez, you certainly played almost everything completely different than me.
- I spared Vercingetorix, let him be a farmer with his family.
- well this girl who betrayed Cleopatra died cause I wanted Cleo to be queen.
- did not march into Rome and won my process against Lurco
- Lurco poisoned Syneros that asshat
- Lurco went mad, wanted to execute my friends and I didn't step in cause when I did, they told me not to do it
- Caeso wanted to RIP but Daeineira or however her name is written said "don't, you love him and he loves you, he shouldn't lose you"
- best girl died for us
- punched Lurco in the face and watched later how he got crucified for his crimes against Rome
- said "nah" to politics and settled down with my Vineyard and Caeso as lover boy who probably was happy about me being now a professional vine-maker. (Unfortunately I couldn't free the slave girl and her kids because no way I share Caeso with some slave girl, sorry.)
Oh and I cut out my own eye so no one had to die for some Gallic Gods. And for badass points.
Last edited by treahnurb; Jan 30, 2023 @ 6:47am
Fuzzyballs01 ꦙ Jan 30, 2023 @ 1:46pm 
I didn't
couldn't get through Gaul, felt too easy at that point
dwarfpcfan Feb 3, 2023 @ 3:05pm 
I've done multiple playthroughs but what I consider my canon ending is:

-Decided against going after Lurco's Galley in Greece and instead sabotaged the supplies. Rome defeated their enemy and my sister was still a prisoner with Lurco's family
-Supported Cleopatra and killed both her brother and her treasonous advisor with my own bare hands, Rome has no need for traitors and fools.
-Tore out my own eye to get an alliance with the Aedui
-Conquered all of Gaul on my own and beat the "impossible ambush" without Lurco needing to come rescue me cause F that guy
-Forgave Lurco's brother because my sister loves him and my fury was directed a Lurco
-Spared Vercigintorix and allowed him to return home to lead his people
-Stayed loyal to the republic won my trial
-Syneros died and that hit hard
-Romanced Calida cause she best girl.
-Deneira died because of Lurco and that hit hard
-Decided to stay in politics and become a Senator to make sure the republic never gets another Lurco if he has anything to say about it.
treahnurb Feb 4, 2023 @ 2:36am 
Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:
-Conquered all of Gaul on my own and beat the "impossible ambush" without Lurco needing to come rescue me cause F that guy

Ohhh I didn't even know that's possible! I survived for so long but they just kept coming so I thought 'meh probably supposed to be that way'.
Water Feb 4, 2023 @ 5:48am 
Originally posted by treahnurb:
Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:
-Conquered all of Gaul on my own and beat the "impossible ambush" without Lurco needing to come rescue me cause F that guy

Ohhh I didn't even know that's possible! I survived for so long but they just kept coming so I thought 'meh probably supposed to be that way'.

I think it is impossible. I turned on cheats and wiped out every reinforcement there was, the computer just keeps adding more. Eventually I got so bored I turned them off and just died literally from boredom.
Fasih  [developer] Feb 4, 2023 @ 5:55am 
Originally posted by Water:
Originally posted by treahnurb:

Ohhh I didn't even know that's possible! I survived for so long but they just kept coming so I thought 'meh probably supposed to be that way'.

I think it is impossible. I turned on cheats and wiped out every reinforcement there was, the computer just keeps adding more. Eventually I got so bored I turned them off and just died literally from boredom.
It is possible without cheats...
treahnurb Feb 4, 2023 @ 7:20am 
Originally posted by Fasih:
Originally posted by Water:

I think it is impossible. I turned on cheats and wiped out every reinforcement there was, the computer just keeps adding more. Eventually I got so bored I turned them off and just died literally from boredom.
It is possible without cheats...

Ah damn. If I had none I would've tried harder :D 'cause I thought it IS impossible and not intended. Oh well.
Viscount Danku Feb 4, 2023 @ 8:57pm 
I appreciate how devs actually made me uneasy about disbanding the legion and trying to take down Lurco the lawful good way. I am glad I went with my gut feeling and marched on Rome, keeping all my companions alive.

With Lurco dead and buried, however, I really had little choice. Previously I murdered Vercingetorix and every Gall chieftain that got in my way to ensure Gallia's integration into Rome. Of course, I did the same in Egypt, killing off Cleopatra to secure province of Aegyptus as integral part of Rome (and claiming that juicy proconsul title, of course). As a result. exile wasn't an option per se, since I had pracitcally no place to run at this point. In addition to caused chaos and blood spilled which would be basically for nothing if I simply left, my legion and praetorians would be prosecuted as traitors as well, which is really not cool. So in the end I had to usurp power, hopefully only for the time. At least I managed to preserve semblance of opposition in the face of Cato and Cicero, so not everything is lost.

Overall it was a very good game, felt more like a lifestory rather than a simple adventure. Various regions, numerous cultures, timelapse spanning a decade - making it a very special rpg experience. Devs are (were?) truly gifted folks, it really shows how much they've achieved since Conquistador days. Conquistador is also a damn good game btw (I still can't fathom how those genius bastards came up with the idea to use Silent Storm engine and actually succeded with it), and some aspects of it I enjoyed even more. Still, while Conquistador expedition was mostly ♥♥♥♥ and giggles, a fun and light-hearted adventure without much drama at all, Rome left a somewhat bittersweet aftertaste. And that's a good thing, emotionally it is a far greater game.
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dwarfpcfan Feb 5, 2023 @ 4:00pm 
Originally posted by treahnurb:
Ohhh I didn't even know that's possible! I survived for so long but they just kept coming so I thought 'meh probably supposed to be that way'.

It's hard,

The conditions to get a victory is you have to kill every enemy on the map so that there is point in between the time when the fight starts and the next wave of enemies comes in that there are no longer any enemies living enemies on the map (not merely incapacitated, incapacitated enemies will not count for the victory condition, they need to all be dead)

The only way to succeed at this is to have a veles armed with the spear of Achilles that has the talent that refreshes movement/actions when it kills an enemy and then... you send him out to kill a lot of gauls
Last edited by dwarfpcfan; Feb 5, 2023 @ 4:01pm
treahnurb Feb 6, 2023 @ 8:43am 
Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:
Originally posted by treahnurb:
Ohhh I didn't even know that's possible! I survived for so long but they just kept coming so I thought 'meh probably supposed to be that way'.

It's hard,

The conditions to get a victory is you have to kill every enemy on the map so that there is point in between the time when the fight starts and the next wave of enemies comes in that there are no longer any enemies living enemies on the map (not merely incapacitated, incapacitated enemies will not count for the victory condition, they need to all be dead)

The only way to succeed at this is to have a veles armed with the spear of Achilles that has the talent that refreshes movement/actions when it kills an enemy and then... you send him out to kill a lot of gauls

I see. Still cool that it IS possible, even if very hard. I think I fought for... 15, 20 minutes? No clue but felt eternal until only Caeso and me were left and I said "screw it" though I believe Caeso could've tanked that for another 20 minutes.
chopper [FD] Feb 26, 2023 @ 8:26pm 
There was only one way this game would end for me. As emperor ..
- Spared Theophilus to keep Asia Minor loyal to Rome.
- Helped Cleopatra who remained loyal to Rome. Killed Ptolemy and the Nasamones white wolf to secure her aliegeance
- Sacrificed a servi to Esus, and made Dividacus and Galia loyal to Rome
- Spared Vercingetorix - he was a cool dude
- Married Calida to stop her calling me "lover boy"
- Crossed the Rubicon with Legio Victrix
- Spared Pompeius - that was a mistake, the traitor bastard
- Killed Cicero and Cato by accident because I sent Tabat to negociate - what did I expect
- Corvinus got an arrow between his eyes from Calida - send a professional to do the job
- Won back Caeso's loyalty to kick Lurco in the teeth (twice) - he eventually left to become a mercenary when I become dictator
- Every other party member liver a long happy life loyal to me
- As emperor I brought a golden age of prosperity to Rome and the people loved me
asarokk Feb 27, 2023 @ 2:32pm 
Originally posted by chopper FD:
There was only one way this game would end for me. As emperor ..
- Spared Theophilus to keep Asia Minor loyal to Rome.
- Helped Cleopatra who remained loyal to Rome. Killed Ptolemy and the Nasamones white wolf to secure her aliegeance
- Sacrificed a servi to Esus, and made Dividacus and Galia loyal to Rome
- Spared Vercingetorix - he was a cool dude
- Married Calida to stop her calling me "lover boy"
- Crossed the Rubicon with Legio Victrix
- Spared Pompeius - that was a mistake, the traitor bastard
- Killed Cicero and Cato by accident because I sent Tabat to negociate - what did I expect
- Corvinus got an arrow between his eyes from Calida - send a professional to do the job
- Won back Caeso's loyalty to kick Lurco in the teeth (twice) - he eventually left to become a mercenary when I become dictator
- Every other party member liver a long happy life loyal to me
- As emperor I brought a golden age of prosperity to Rome and the people loved me

Why spare Theophilus? He deserved to be held accountable for his crimes against Rome. Theophilus is a usurper and caused the death of the previous leader of the temple. That leader was not only Zenobia's husband but he was loyal to Rome. Theophilus is the reason why the loyalty shifted in the first place. Zenobia is the better choice and her loyalties are to Rome.

Pompeius on the other hand, despite being able to establish a concord with him. He only does so because he perceives Lurco to be the greater threat to the republic and Bestia is the man to convince him. Pompeius is loyal to the republic and not us. Same goes for Caeso. If you decide to become dictator, you're not the person Caeso thought you were.

Next time, send Syneros to negotiate with Cato and Cicero.
chopper [FD] Feb 27, 2023 @ 6:07pm 
Theophilus was popular with the locals who did not perceive the foreign governors as honest or acting in the interest of the people. Theophilus was the type of leader that can keep the masses content while still loyal to Rome.

I should have eliminated Pompeius, not because he was loyal to the republic, but because he was a huge risk as military rival.
I really wanted to keep Cato alive but I've used my Syneros to keep Pompeius neutral (should have sent Deianeira to kick him in the gonads).

In any case, they were not consequential to my grand plans because I wasn't going to negotiate with the senate anyway.
Last edited by chopper [FD]; Feb 27, 2023 @ 6:10pm
Tommy Jul 1, 2023 @ 12:36pm 
- Killed Theophilus, cause I liked Zenophia. This quest was the first moment I noticed multitude of choices.
- Went to cave instead of galley, hence my mom died. That was painful.
- Married Julia to help her, but she didn't love me.
- Simped for Cleo. Successfully.
- Donated big time to the cats' shrine. Got cool talisman from Raia.
- Wiped Gauls, cause they annoyed me a lot.
- Spared Scaevola, cause my sister wanted it. It was pretty tough decision.
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