Can you smoke yet?

[Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero]

I won't feel like a true detective until I can have a crippling nicotine addiction.

[Bagpipe]

been watching Mindhunter on netflix recently and that was the first thing i noticed about the '70s FBI agent investigating gruesome crimes. One of them would not stop smoking. Constantly lighting up. So yeah your request checks out

[Isabelle]

No, there is no way to smoke in-game. It is unlikely that smoking will ever be added in any official capacity, likely to preserve ESRB Teen rating.

Modders are almost certainly on it.

[Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero]

Totally knee capping the 'dystopian' atmosphere to at least not even have some greasy synth-tobacco option etc. Understand devs desire to maintain rating for sale / access but been disappointing to see the direction it's taken through early access to this '1.0' state that really doesn't seem to have the atmosphere and content I'd hoped the game would come to reach.

I can see modders handling it too, tho haha

[Ramstar]

Play slaverian trucker. I’ve always got a cig in my mouth and buy at least 10 packs a day and hitting T to take a puff is oddly satisfying whilst driving through the mountains

[Zyryanoff]

Origineel geplaatst door Ramstar:

Play slaverian trucker. I’ve always got a cig in my mouth and buy at least 10 packs a day and hitting T to take a puff is oddly satisfying whilst driving through the mountains

Thx for the heads up.
Yeah, so much tobacco and no possibility to smoke is dumb.

[funewchie]

Origineel geplaatst door Zyryanoff:

Origineel geplaatst door Ramstar:

Play slaverian trucker. I’ve always got a cig in my mouth and buy at least 10 packs a day and hitting T to take a puff is oddly satisfying whilst driving through the mountains

Thx for the heads up.
Yeah, so much tobacco and no possibility to smoke is dumb.

Blame the ESRB and the governments.
The same ones who won't allow any form of gambling, even fictional gambling with fake money.

These devs don't make the laws, they just are bound to obey them.

[EliteForceQc]

So if I understand ESRB .. smoking is bad but drinking alcool is a good think.

[Ramstar]

Smoking is inherently bad whether you have 1 or 100. Not sure the same can be said for drinking which is more about moderation.

[funewchie]

Origineel geplaatst door EliteForceQc:

So if I understand ESRB .. smoking is bad but drinking alcool is a good think.

Alcohol isn't particularly banned, nor advertisements for it.

Smoking on the other hand, is, or at least advertising and depicting it.
Vaping is on it's way to the same ban.

But even then, the ESRB are also bound to those same laws.
So blame the governments, not the devs nor the ESRB (they have to follow the law, same as us).

[Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero]

Origineel geplaatst door Ramstar:

Smoking is inherently bad whether you have 1 or 100. Not sure the same can be said for drinking which is more about moderation.

I have epilepsy, I can literally have 2 beers and have a seizure lol, if 'health' were the actual argument in general, alcohol itself wouldn't see such wide spread accessibility across media and video games or be defined as somehow seperate from other drugs when it is literally as dangerous or more dangerous than several controlled or regulated illegal substances, is one of the single most carcinogenic and addictive drugs on the planet, is one of the few drugs that can kill you both from over dose and from withdrawal (like benzo's), is one of the first drugs most children/teens ever have access too, etc.

There isn't any logic to it, it's purely just entrenched culture that drives it, nothin' to do with safety as if safety actually drove the logic we'd simply just not see alcohol as the accepted substance it is today. In fact it's that very entrenched culture behind why alcohol is often labeled as somehow separate TO drugs 'i.e media, health etc stuff might describe talking about the topic as 'alcohol and other drugs' when 'drugs' would sufficiently otherwise still root alcohol in the statement, but because of its unique and protect status as the legal narcotic of choice around much of the globe its dangers are otherwise dismissed or downgraded and that is also reflected in games despite its real world impact and consequence.

Commenters are right tho that obviously dev can't do anything about esrb ratings and stuff - I just still think it's a valid critique that dev is clearly copping out on the atmosphere of what the world they've built could be for a dystopia lite for sake of wider sales and reach to audiences and such. ESRB isn't actually about protecting kids as much as its regulating content but that doesn't necessarily means theres consistent logic to what they consider justifiable content to limit or w.e

i.e how can a games content containing death, murder, etc be more appropriate for children then literally a smoke, haha. You can have murder and death, and alcohol, but god forbid you take a puff!

[Ramstar]

Origineel geplaatst door Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero:

Origineel geplaatst door Ramstar:

Smoking is inherently bad whether you have 1 or 100. Not sure the same can be said for drinking which is more about moderation.

I have epilepsy, I can literally have 2 beers and have a seizure lol, if 'health' were the actual argument in general, alcohol itself wouldn't see such wide spread accessibility across media and video games or be defined as somehow seperate from other drugs when it is literally as dangerous or more dangerous than several controlled or regulated illegal substances, is one of the single most carcinogenic and addictive drugs on the planet, is one of the few drugs that can kill you both from over dose and from withdrawal (like benzo's), is one of the first drugs most children/teens ever have access too, etc.

There isn't any logic to it, it's purely just entrenched culture that drives it, nothin' to do with safety as if safety actually drove the logic we'd simply just not see alcohol as the accepted substance it is today. In fact it's that very entrenched culture behind why alcohol is often labeled as somehow separate TO drugs 'i.e media, health etc stuff might describe talking about the topic as 'alcohol and other drugs' when 'drugs' would sufficiently otherwise still root alcohol in the statement, but because of its unique and protect status as the legal narcotic of choice around much of the globe its dangers are otherwise dismissed or downgraded and that is also reflected in games despite its real world impact and consequence.

Commenters are right tho that obviously dev can't do anything about esrb ratings and stuff - I just still think it's a valid critique that dev is clearly copping out on the atmosphere of what the world they've built could be for a dystopia lite for sake of wider sales and reach to audiences and such. ESRB isn't actually about protecting kids as much as its regulating content but that doesn't necessarily means theres consistent logic to what they consider justifiable content to limit or w.e

i.e how can a games content containing death, murder, etc be more appropriate for children then literally a smoke, haha. You can have murder and death, and alcohol, but god forbid you take a puff!

Dont get me wrong I smoke myself lol. sorry about your epilepsy also. I guess it depends how we’re defining ‘bad’ too.

It’s like breathing is bad if you’re underwater.

Tbh I read some time ago that some studies showed that some stout per day was actually good for you. How true that is/was these days depending on what you read etc I dunno but I guess I meant in comparison to smoking health wise in that sense. Might be wrong though. Have a good weekend.

[S1]

Origineel geplaatst door Ramstar:

Smoking is inherently bad whether you have 1 or 100. Not sure the same can be said for drinking which is more about moderation.

I'm not a scientist but I'm pretty sure virtual cigarettes are safe to consume

[Ramstar]

Origineel geplaatst door S1:

Origineel geplaatst door Ramstar:

Smoking is inherently bad whether you have 1 or 100. Not sure the same can be said for drinking which is more about moderation.

I'm not a scientist but I'm pretty sure virtual cigarettes are safe to consume

Im not a high resolution thinker but I'm pretty sure it’s do with not promoting bad habits and health to kids

I don’t care either way tbh I smoke and drink, but I’m an adult so there’s that.

[Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero]

Stout is maybe good for you if we ignore that alcohol in general is a literal poison that is disrupting our GABA functions in general - but you are right too, namely that the studies behind naming something as 'good for you' or 'bad for you' are themselves laden with potential motivations (i.e promoting sales) or interests heavily skewing whatever a study might be about for sake of creating the intended results or w.e

But I mean everyone in thread is also right, obviously smoking is bad for you and obviously there are good reasons an independent dev might want their product to otherwise reach as wide an audience as possible, and the fun that younger kids can have exploring a generated city like this kind of solving their own organic cases and so on certainly outweighs the need for atmosphere to compromise that by making it like an M rated title just so we can have smokes and other atmospheric ♥♥♥♥ haha

I think it's just that I won't stop wishing there was so much more to the game in general because of how unique it otherwise is, the fact someone finally gave us a game where we can be like Charlie in Always Sunny in Philadelphia trying to solve Pepe Silvia case, haha.

I really hope it inspires other devs to more or less try a similar thing but really root it in a grittier atmosphere more akin to the last 70 yrs of detective fiction in general so we can feel like Columbo or something :p

[Double Event]

Origineel geplaatst door Bagpipe:

been watching Mindhunter on netflix recently and that was the first thing i noticed about the '70s FBI agent investigating gruesome crimes. One of them would not stop smoking. Constantly lighting up. So yeah your request checks out

Amazing series. Too bad Fincher tanked it so he could focus on other projects. I would have loved just one more season.