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I'm more concerned about early access titles that seem incredibly polished from the start and bug free and the only "early access thing" that is visible is content lock.
So in the case of bugs you are just paranoid... all early access games have them and closer they are to premiere, the less there will be
the game is doing fine
With that avatar, I'm surprised you feel this way given that N1RV Ann-A had constant updates up until it didn't.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/914210/N1RV_AnnA_Cyberpunk_Bartender_Action/
And look at that! It's still on Steam.
i feel like you're looking for reasons or excuses to call the game "abandoned" instead of actually asking people if that's going to be the case.
That game isn't even in early access. What does "abandoned" mean to you? The game was complete, do you expect games to receive updates forever? And what do you mean "It's still on steam"? Should a game that's no longer receiving updates be delisted and unable to be purchased?
I listed multiple games. Project Zomboid has been in EA for over 10 years. Then, I gave examples of games that made me feel confident about their development - Dave The Diver and Teardown.
The thing about this game in particular is that there are so many aspects of the game that can be expanded upon or improved. When we look at what people want to see, there are so many suggestions that it almost seems impossible for any indie developer to implement.
Take a look at Streets of Rogue. The original was fantastic. It's such a great game. But now, the team has gone in a direction that seems far too big in terms of scope. It's an open world game which doesn't inspire confidence in its playerbase.
Look at the developers' own words on their game's home page:
"Streets of Rogue 2 invites you to a living, unpredictable open world where anything is possible. Go solo or team up with friends and embark on a wild adventure to take down a corrupt president – any way you want! If you love freedom-focused, story-generating sandbox games like Rimworld, Valheim, Stardew Valley, Kenshi, Terraria, or Dwarf Fortress, you’ll feel right at home in Streets of Rogue 2. This is an engrossing, uncompromising, systems-driven experience that allows players to interact with the world in countless fun ways."
Don't get me wrong... I love Streets of Rogue... but holy mother of god, that is an insane list of games to compare one title to, and I know it can't possibly live up to these crazy high expectations. Rimworld? Kenshi? I mean, those are two absolutely awesome games that play nothing alike. Stardew Valley? Okay, now I'm starting to wonder if whoever wrote that is in a strait jacket. And Terraria and then Dwarf Fortress? I don't have any experience with those two games, but I know they are high bars to reach.
And even games that are amazing. I mentioned DIsco Elysium. Do you know how much it sucks that the money I put into that game didn't even reach the devs' pockets? I mean, it's downvoted to oblivion simply because of how great the game is yet the IP is held by somebody who apparently scammed the actual devs out of it.
It's not about bugs. It's about the scope of the game and what can be possible. I just find it a little sketchy that this game was on Steam's homepage and yet... it needs this much work.
Stuff like using the unity particle and lighting engine is insane and the devs seem to have no instinct for what will cause problems or ability to fix things that are
E: forgot to mention, Disco Elysium is irredeemable trash lol wtf are you talking about
What game was complete? I'll just reiterate that it's about the scope of the project and how much there is to be desired compared to how much needs to apparently be fixed.
I guess that's another thing. I can't possibly know what "abandoned" means to me because I don't know what the actual plans are for the team. But being front page on Steam is pretty crazy for an EA game that's Overwhelmingly Positive but I can't search the game at all without finding more and more bugs the more I search.
I think that's a good way to put it. It's going to collapse under it's own weight.
When we look at really amazing indie games, we see the classics like FTL or Slay The Spire, both games I don't really love because I'm bad at them. But then we see a lot of passion projects where the original idea was great, but the game fails. Loop Hero is an amazing example. It looked great, but when I check the reviews or forums, I see people saying the game has been abandoned.
Obviously, this happens to Triple A studios, too, on a much larger scale. PT is the best example with a demo that was highly praised only to live out as a tech demo of the PS4's hardware.
By the way, I'm not saying this game is certain doom. I'm saying it's showing signs that are concerning. Sometimes, I think we see these types of attitudes as hate when really it's just, "Dang this game looks so good. I want it to be good. But I don't want to see it fail similarly to other games have."
Oh, you know... I should have checked that first, but I didn't. I need to go read what they are saying about the game.
Thanks for mentioning it!
I literally just purchased the game, but I've been sitting on it for a long time. I don't think it's there anymore, but at one time, there was a funny review about a guy going upstairs, beating up some dude, trashing his apartment, forgetting something, going to grab it, the guy upstairs wakes up so he has to beat him up again, and then he drank the guys beer. And then the author ended the review by saying that Shadows of Doubt was pretty good, too.
I think what I like about this game is that it is very similar to Streets of Rogue in that really funny stuff seems to happen without you meaning to do it. So, I'm definitely not a hater. What we see looks great. I'm hoping for an awesome 1.0 launch one day. And it doesn't have to be in the next several years. I just want it to be really really great.
this is just kind of a wall of text and i really dont have anything to contribute
as for scope i am not educated enough on this game's development to say a word about it
@ChrisPharmD LOL, that's an awesome review!
I have high hopes for this game too. I don't mind if it stays in early access for as long as Project Zomboid, as long as there is steady progress.
The developer's website is at colepowered.com They have a roadmap for development there. They have been in business for over a decade, they have been working on this game for many years, and only went early access this past spring, when the game was playable. Their publisher is reputable. They say they are focusing on bug fixing before adding new features, and mod support. But, all said, they haven't posted a new blog post since July, and that concerns me. Everything I've seen gives me confidence except the blog not being updated. Thankfully the game is still being updated, but, as someone who has been disappointed by other developers, as you have, I cautiously take this developer at his word when he writes that this is a dream project for him because it's obvious the amount of work he has put into it already. I expect the project to take time, but not be abandoned. I just wish for a monthly blog post.