Disable non-binary

[Haakon XIII]

Any way to disable non-binary people from spawn? I'm a detective, I don't care about their gender, but when it comes to identifying someone, their sex does matter to me. I have had problems finding a suspect because his file said his SEX was non-binary. Does the game not differentiate between sex and gender?

[full stamina gaming]

Originally posted by Senoka:

Non binary is a made up current day trend where as biology is a factual reality I can see a detective using to actually help a case. Imagine having a case where all you know is their preferred pronouns. Like, that's nothing. Eye color can help. Height can help. Knowing if it's a man or a woman is a huge factor. But when a man or woman needs to be something other than the very real and factual binary of human existence...yeah it's annoying to deal with that crap. Current day trends this stupid doesn't add anything to a game like this. It's just brownie points to appeal to a very small minority of mental ill people who have latched on to a current day trend. No hate...just disappointment. As a wise silver back once said....IT'S BORING!

People's sexual freedom really disturbs you, huh? I'll give you a doozy: sex isn't binary, either. Even with chromosomal sex as the basis for distinction there is huge variation in primary and secondary sex characteristics. Hormonal makeup varies. Some men, for example, are really, REALLY fragile and cry incessantly if their videogames represent people other than them. They'll throw hissy fits bigger than any enby or trans person ever will because a videogame acknowledges some people exist.

You know, like a literal child. Like you.

[EliteForceQc]

When a game affect your life and can be a traumatize experience for minor details like that .. I think the problem is not the game.

Just play as intended or play something else.

IRL I found this non-binary idea stupid, but in a game in a cyberpunk world, in a different time line, with its own lore .. I just play along and absolutly love it.

If this is a major problem at the point your world stop spinning around .. get your keyboard and mod it.

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by EliteForceQc:

If this is a major problem at the point your world stop spinning around .. get your keyboard and mod it.

i find this specific viewpoint irritating. this is an early access game in active development. the time isnt right to mod it, the time is right to ask for more options to be implemented.

personally, regardless of the good or bad faith of the OP's argument, i see merit to adding toggles and sliders for these things in city generation. it gives the player more control over having the kind of city they want to play in.

given control of these parameters, i could make some pretty interesting dystopias.

i hope we didnt forget that these cities are supposed to be dystopian. that's my only issue. breaks my suspension of disbelief for average citizens to have this degree of freedom with their identity and sexuality in pretty much any kind of dystopia.

[ScorpBaron]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Aarki⎠⎞:

Boy that escalated quickly. I have had trouble discerning male from female in this game even without the non-binary option. I had a murder case with two Tylers being mates, a male and a female. The male wore high heels, the female boots, they looked almost exactly the same except for their haircut, and I got way confused during the investigation.

Ultimately I don't think it matters, though. Just count gender towards being another kind of hobby, which comes with it's own, persistent markers. Like finding lipstick instead of dumbbells or calligraphy set.

It does matter, because of your first paragraph. That should be a twisted 1 in a million finding. Finding that lunacy everywhere is just very confusing and does not make sense.

[Haakon XIII]

Please, let's stick to the post, no one is going to convince the other.

Originally posted by EliteForceQc:

When a game affect your life and can be a traumatize experience for minor details like that .. I think the problem is not the game.

Just play as intended or play something else.

IRL I found this non-binary idea stupid, but in a game in a cyberpunk world, in a different time line, with its own lore .. I just play along and absolutly love it.

If this is a major problem at the point your world stop spinning around .. get your keyboard and mod it.

Nobody says that he is traumatized either, don't be exaggerated extremists.

Originally posted by full stamina gaming:

Originally posted by Senoka:

Non binary is a made up current day trend where as biology is a factual reality I can see a detective using to actually help a case. Imagine having a case where all you know is their preferred pronouns. Like, that's nothing. Eye color can help. Height can help. Knowing if it's a man or a woman is a huge factor. But when a man or woman needs to be something other than the very real and factual binary of human existence...yeah it's annoying to deal with that crap. Current day trends this stupid doesn't add anything to a game like this. It's just brownie points to appeal to a very small minority of mental ill people who have latched on to a current day trend. No hate...just disappointment. As a wise silver back once said....IT'S BORING!

People's sexual freedom really disturbs you, huh? I'll give you a doozy: sex isn't binary, either. Even with chromosomal sex as the basis for distinction there is huge variation in primary and secondary sex characteristics. Hormonal makeup varies. Some men, for example, are really, REALLY fragile and cry incessantly if their videogames represent people other than them. They'll throw hissy fits bigger than any enby or trans person ever will because a videogame acknowledges some people exist.

You know, like a literal child. Like you.

Full stamina, your personal attacks calling a child, the only one they reveal is you.

[Ramstar]

Originally posted by Haakon XIII:

Any way to disable non-binary people from spawn? I'm a detective, I don't care about their gender, but when it comes to identifying someone, their sex does matter to me. I have had problems finding a suspect because his file said his SEX was non-binary. Does the game not differentiate between sex and gender?

What I do with these is use it as a challenge to improve your detective skills. So you don’t know if male or female - so you kill that lead and focus on another. Think of it as upping the difficulty. It will also help most people in adult life IRL to use this perspective versus feeling victimised.

[Shenennigans]

Out of the dozens of cases I've solved, the gender of the suspect has never once mattered. You still have to get fingerprints or a picture/name to look up in city hall. I think you're just finding something to complain about.

[Silent_Shadow]

Originally posted by Shenennigans:

fingerprints or a picture/name to look up in city hall.

Way to tell us you don't take challenging side jobs without saying it outright.

[Illusia]

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Originally posted by Shenennigans:

fingerprints or a picture/name to look up in city hall.

Way to tell me you don't take challenging side jobs without saying it outright.

I don't think the challenge of their side jobs matters for this context. I also think that a lot of non-binary supporters are really up in arms on this thread for something even the SIMS lets you control (that and many other games where letting, oh, player choice...? rule the game)
Look, its not your player choice to determine that the current state of the game is how it should stay, and its not theirs to determine if the dev makes it the way these individuals want to. So if you don't like a thread or even perhaps~ don't like the thoughts in a thread... Stop posting in it, don't post in the first place unless you're actually gonna develop the idea further or at least try to frame your criticality as helpful.
Me? I like if we get more city customization. We had a mod that let you make a city denser or not. Why 'not' get the ability to lay out the city's demographics as well? What if I wanted to 'ruin' the game by making everyone consider themselves male, with tall height and average build and wearing sunglasses? Look, I doubt it'l ever be that in depth, but if it were, would you all keep complaining about the users that would appreciate being able to control the demographics at least to some extent? I think not. Its not an attack on you, or non-binary people. Most posts I've seen have already been well aware the ship on getting this game to not have these elements has long sailed away. So thats not their point, and you should stop being so defensive on the whole thing.

[Silent_Shadow]

The challenge matters because the game suffers a lot when you're given the suspect's name and fingerprint; it is far more satisfying to collect and piece together a bunch of random clues to find a suspect than it is to just get their name/fingerprint and run down to the courthouse to get all their information for free. All of the many gender cued clues could be a part of that, but the non-binary gender invalidates them all; the pool of possible clues is smaller than it could be.

The rest of your comment (and several others') is just projection; nobody in this thread was complaining about there being made up genders in the game until someone came in and called us bigots, (we cared about the invalidated clues) so how about you follow your own advice and not join in discussions you don't like?

[Shenennigans]

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Originally posted by Shenennigans:

fingerprints or a picture/name to look up in city hall.

Way to tell us you don't take challenging side jobs without saying it outright.

If you're claiming that gender was an impactful clue in an investigation, I'm saying you're lying. I've done plenty of "difficult" jobs (I only take highest payout jobs on each board), but if you take a job and are given like eye color and gender, guess what? That job isn't getting completed other than through dumb luck. There are important pieces of information and then there are pointless ones. Gender is never a vital characteristic. Honestly, if you were thrown off by whether they wear boots or heels, your investigation sucked to begin with lol. Go back and find a useful clue.

[Silent_Shadow]

How many times do I have to post this old man?

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

The challenge matters because the game suffers a lot when you're given the suspect's name and fingerprint; it is far more satisfying to collect and piece together a bunch of random clues to find a suspect than it is to just get their name/fingerprint and run down to the courthouse to get all their information for free. All of the many gender cued clues could be a part of that, but the non-binary gender invalidates them all; the pool of possible clues is smaller than it could be.

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Everyone is referred to as "they/them" regardless of gender, except on their personal files (at which point it hardly matters). Lipstick, high heels and their prints, make up, gender specific haircuts/features/clothes, birth control pills, etc. are all useless clues because you cannot differentiate suspects by sex; any gender could have these items, even if it doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Do you take a photograph of every person you see on the street to magically determine their gender? We have an entire list of clues that are invalidated because they cannot be tied to gender or sex. That is why you need the game to tell you their gender; the player cannot do it on their own, so finding a suspect has to be done with other clues.

The game would be better if there were more possible clues; there are sex/gender clues already in the game, but they are invalidated by the non-binary stuff.

[Shenennigans]

Look, I'm sorry you struggle with this game but you could call everyone any gender you wanted and the people who know how to play this game will still solve cases lol. Imagine getting away with murder because you wear a wig lmao. "Sorry, can't solve this case, the dude was wearing high heels and my brain melted out my ear". Nobody's complaining that you can't see their eye color accurately half the time (HOW DARE THEY WEAR SUNGLASSES!?)... because when you do your investigation it will be filled out in the profile for you after you've seen them. Same with gender.

Also, you're making a big deal about something that just doesn't happen very often. My current job I was given the high rise office building they work in, their salary, and their eye color. Salary equaled a receptionist so I went to each office in the building printing their receptionist employee profile. 14 possible receptionists... 0 of them non-binary.

If the very occasional non-binary listing next to gender is impeding your ability to play the game, git gud (or at least stop making ridiculous excuses for why you failed an investigation).

[Silent_Shadow]

Originally posted by Shenennigans:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3055190242

Do you really think I'm struggling with the game when I advocate for more challenging clues instead of the game just telling you the information?

You actually think I want an easy game when I call you and others out for using the gov database?

[Dis Lexic]

Considering the arts style, the only way to actually figure out most characters gender is to look at their files, so I fail to see how this is a problem. If anything, its helpful because it helps break down the population into three parts, rather than two, which reduces the pool of suspects...somewhat.