Shadows of Doubt

Shadows of Doubt

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Nuwinman May 1, 2023 @ 11:15pm
Some jobs description are too vague, sometime many people fit the same description.
Missions that give too vague information in my opinion should not be in game. I hate jobs that have the "Target lives in this building" description or "work at this building" description.
No not that "work at ... workplace", that is fine, but the ones with "work at ... building" (which contains dozens of workplaces) will have you running up and down a whole building with 15 floors going from basements to ground floor to each and every individual companies on the upper floors to search for this one person with blue eyes and long brown hair. I spent hours going into dozens of offices and businesses in one building, tripped 9 alarms, smacked 6 people and when I found the person who fits the description and took their photo, the photo was wrong. I went back and spent 2 more hours clearing the entire building, EVERY single offices, bashing doors instead of lockpicking and tripped more alarms cause I just can't bother give a fk at that point only to come out with 4 people with the exact description: blue eyes, long brown hair and work at ... building.
Same for the description of "live in ... building" or "live in ... apartment". I just bust down the door to the apartment security room, 1 shot the guard with a sword and randomly types names onto the PC to search for tenants, and I come up with 3 people with the exact description of: 49 years old, average build and live in ... building.
What do you do with this? Pray to RNJesus that the one you chose is correct? Or save scum?
Missions with that description should be removed, instead replace it with "live on ... floor of ... building" or work on ... floor in ... building". So you only have to search the one floor instead of the entire building. Or give more details on said person in those missions instead of giving vague info like average build with green eyes because guess what, there are dozens of people with average build and green eyes.
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sean.campbell  [developer] May 2, 2023 @ 6:34am 
Thanks for the feedback. We will keep looking into balance and making sure cases are fun throughout early access so maybe it scales in difficulty a bit more smoothly
Neouni May 2, 2023 @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by sean.campbell:
Thanks for the feedback. We will keep looking into balance and making sure cases are fun throughout early access so maybe it scales in difficulty a bit more smoothly

Make clues weighted, with at least one clue of identifiable in the mix.
-phone number
-building work\life
-first name

probably can think of some others on there that are identifiable at least.
t@ngent May 2, 2023 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by Nuwinman:
What do you do with this? Pray to RNJesus that the one you chose is correct? Or save scum?

I shared your concern, then I noticed that when you bring up the correct individual's full dossier (click their names, not just the work/gov record), the "Unknown Citizen" card will actually update to the mark's name.

Some sync discs are more helpful than others:
- the Dove + one that determines shoe size and height from pictures (or from talking) is great for narrowing leads
- Fully upgraded Beauty will get free information from people. Ask suspects for their name and, if they respond, you'll get something like 40% of their profile filled.
EliteForceQc May 2, 2023 @ 6:59am 
i think 1 single clue is good if is: name, photo, partener full name, adress, the floor he live, Is job, telephone.

But for the rest like, hair, eyes, footprint, age and so on, we need more that just 2 or 3 clues about them.
Last edited by EliteForceQc; May 2, 2023 @ 7:00am
ViperDC May 2, 2023 @ 7:02am 
I just finished a job that was:
- Green Eyes
- 100000 Salary
- Works in City Hall

It took 7 attempts to find the right person, with no way to deduce the culprit outside of just guessing.

https://imgur.com/a/BUU1Qx2
You guys want an easy game geez.
Having the address and floor they live on is like telling you who it is, it's ridiculous.

I agree we need at least 4 clues but I don't want to see the address or their workplace, how is that fun? you just go there and ask 3 or 4 citizens and hey there he is.

If it's too hard for you all you have to do is archive/close case and pick another one, not gonna lie I did it a few times because having only traits make no sense.
Last edited by Commander Freedom; May 2, 2023 @ 7:12am
t@ngent May 2, 2023 @ 7:28am 
Currently working a case where I have::
- a sample of their handwriting
- Their first initial is "M"
- Their partner works as a street vendor.

Not much to go on, right? So here's what I'm doing, investigating the person that GAVE me the mission. I've found that with a lot of jobs, the issuer has some connection to the mark. So I'm gonna check the "M" names in the issuer's address books and I got a solid lead list.
Thedeadmemelord May 2, 2023 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by Neouni:
Originally posted by sean.campbell:
Thanks for the feedback. We will keep looking into balance and making sure cases are fun throughout early access so maybe it scales in difficulty a bit more smoothly

Make clues weighted, with at least one clue of identifiable in the mix.
-phone number
-building work\life
-first name

probably can think of some others on there that are identifiable at least.
last names would be better, you can't search for first names in the directory
Originally posted by Bearded Lonewolf:
You guys want an easy game geez.
Having the address and floor they live on is like telling you who it is, it's ridiculous.

I agree we need at least 4 clues but I don't want to see the address or their workplace, how is that fun? you just go there and ask 3 or 4 citizens and hey there he is.

If it's too hard for you all you have to do is archive/close case and pick another one, not gonna lie I did it a few times because having only traits make no sense.

its not fun to have a complete dead end, id rather have an easy case than no case at all.
perkypatdoll May 2, 2023 @ 7:44am 
Is a detective simulator without the possibility of cold cases or difficult requests a good idea?

It would be nice if there was a change to the job request bulletin board to show the approximate difficulty level of the assignment.
Neouni May 2, 2023 @ 8:00am 
Originally posted by Thedeadmemelord:
Originally posted by Neouni:

Make clues weighted, with at least one clue of identifiable in the mix.
-phone number
-building work\life
-first name

probably can think of some others on there that are identifiable at least.
last names would be better, you can't search for first names in the directory

You can check for first names in the goverment database, and when asking others like in the tutorial they will say: "oh I do know someone with that first name Violet Davies"
t@ngent May 2, 2023 @ 8:14am 
Originally posted by t@ngent:
Currently working a case where I have::
- a sample of their handwriting
- Their first initial is "M"
- Their partner works as a street vendor.

Not much to go on, right? So here's what I'm doing, investigating the person that GAVE me the mission. I've found that with a lot of jobs, the issuer has some connection to the mark. So I'm gonna check the "M" names in the issuer's address books and I got a solid lead list.

Yup, this was the way to do it. Investigate the person that gave you the job
Nuwinman May 3, 2023 @ 4:05am 
Imo the jobs that have too vague of a clue needs to be like 10,000 credit in rewards or sth, maybe add a section of cold cases/difficult cases that has never been solved and has special reward if you managed to crack them. Jack up the reward to like 10,000 cr or 500 social credit, or maybe 2-3 disks to make it seems worth the effort.
Vague clues can be viable if you have lots of them, like 4-5 instead of just 3 like average build, green eyes and short black hair. It should also solve the problem of too many people fitting the same description.
jmsbar90 Mar 23, 2024 @ 9:42am 
I have a arrest mission with the given clue of works in a building, 178 height and short black hair, I found two but I do not know who to arrest because they are exactly the same description given
schwarzrotes Mar 24, 2024 @ 4:53am 
if you have enough clues the name should auto fill in if it not does you have the wrong person
it is a detektiv game, so you are expexted to put some work in your investigation, the game is allready easy, the gov database is op as hell
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Date Posted: May 1, 2023 @ 11:15pm
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