Guns: A harmless tool

[TheWarCake]

First of all, I think the fact sword KOs in one hit means guns wouldn't be too hard to implement in the current system. Could even make it replace the sword into a one-hit KO revolver with a slow fire rate if we wanted just strictly a combat thing.

Secondly, we're not really here for the idea of having a gun in the game as just a combat tool, but as a utility tool: Imagine instead of shooting someone, you can point a gun at them to have them give you info, but of course that's illegal and anyone else catching you doing this would quickly sound the alarm. Maybe shooting a lock out to aggressively search through a lockbox for resident records, and then shoot out a window to go barreling out of it. The gun is NOT just a weapon used to hurt people, it's a tool that can be genuinely used to improve the options you have.

If the dev is hard-set on not having guns, I respect that decision. For example, not having guns in Subnautica was a beneficial decision made for it. However, I ask the Dev to potentially give the idea of guns as a utility tool rather then a combat tool, and maybe even look at GUNPOINT's way of handling their singular firearm as inspiration/guideline.

[Zap Girl]

It really does seem that folks do not respect the decision not to have guns in the game if you ask me.

[Blaze Shadowflame]

Personally, I don't understand why we can't use the guns if we have access to a fricking sword. We straight up have a weapon that only knocks people out because it's a video game, and I've seen the sentry turrets unload into the npc's and they can get back up so why not a gun of our own? Plus, it would be fun to be forced into a shootout with suspects and need to use cover instead of just bull-rushing someone spraying you.

[WILLHOU]

People would sit in air vents shooting enforcers. They're not in because it would trivialise the game. At least with the sword you have to close the gap giving people time to sound the alarm

[Antipathy World]

Originally posted by WILLHOU:

People would sit in air vents shooting enforcers. They're not in because it would trivialise the game. At least with the sword you have to close the gap giving people time to sound the alarm

This almost elitist attitude thats kinda uncalled for 'if they enable guns the game will be too ez, ruinning the game this isn't cod'.

No matter how you spin it, it still makes zero sense when the game is so heavily inspired by noir-detective genre to not have shoot-able guns. especially when npcs can use it, and instead of limiting players to 'the way that the game is intended to be played', why not just have the option to let players do everything, but suffer consequences? like in hitman where if you kill non targets you'll never get silent assassin title or good score. and even in hitman people have ample of the time sound the alarm when you use guns.

[Lfod]

Originally posted by Nagatoro🌺:

Originally posted by WILLHOU:

People would sit in air vents shooting enforcers. They're not in because it would trivialise the game. At least with the sword you have to close the gap giving people time to sound the alarm

This almost elitist attitude thats kinda uncalled for 'if they enable guns the game will be too ez, ruinning the game this isn't cod'.

No matter how you spin it, it still makes zero sense when the game is so heavily inspired by noir-detective genre to not have shoot-able guns. especially when npcs can use it, and instead of limiting players to the way that 'the game is intended to be played', why not just have the option to let players do everything, but suffer consequences? like in hitman where if you kill non targets you'll never get silent assassin title or good score. and even in hitman people have ample of the time sound the alarm when you use guns.

Why can't I drive cars? Why can't I get a hair cut? Why can't I throw a party in my apartment? Why can't I get married? Why can't I own a dog and buy pet food? Why can't I climb up the side of building or climb over fences? Why can't I have children then name them and play as them when my first character dies? Why can't I just bake cakes instead?

It's a little indie detective game and a game like this is very rare. You can play a lot of different games that have guns, not every game needs it. This is going to be another Police simulator patrol officers situation were people ask for guns forever and never get them.

[Kyle]

I'd rather have them add a lore reason and fully rework the combat (it's already pretty op that you can 1 hit things with a sword anyways/not kill npcs) than add guns, love the detective aspect of this game and hope it stays the main focus with harsher combat penalties and risks.

even if they were added i feel like they should be restricted by a sync disk in your head and a high social credit level

i am more into the idea of cool gadgets

[Antipathy World]

Originally posted by Lfod:

Originally posted by Nagatoro🌺:

This almost elitist attitude thats kinda uncalled for 'if they enable guns the game will be too ez, ruinning the game this isn't cod'.

No matter how you spin it, it still makes zero sense when the game is so heavily inspired by noir-detective genre to not have shoot-able guns. especially when npcs can use it, and instead of limiting players to the way that 'the game is intended to be played', why not just have the option to let players do everything, but suffer consequences? like in hitman where if you kill non targets you'll never get silent assassin title or good score. and even in hitman people have ample of the time sound the alarm when you use guns.

Why can't I drive cars? Why can't I get a hair cut? Why can't I throw a party in my apartment? Why can't I get married? Why can't I own a dog and buy pet food? Why can't I climb up the side of building or climb over fences? Why can't I have children then name them and play as them when my first character dies? Why can't I just bake cakes instead?

It's a little indie detective game and a game like this is very rare. You can play a lot of different games that have guns, not every game needs it. This is going to be another Police simulator patrol officers situation were people ask for guns forever and never get them.

Don't be ridiculous, you're going too far off to try to demonstrate that this game does not need to have guns. unless you truly believe that being able to do all those things are the same thing and of reasonable request.

Its more understandable if the devs come out and say its not within their scope atm or something, cause being able to kill someone does make alot of changes to the game thaat they didnt have to account for i guess, thats an acceptable answer
instead of blind fan boys going 'it'll become CoD'

[Kyle]

Originally posted by Nagatoro🌺:

Originally posted by Lfod:

Why can't I drive cars? Why can't I get a hair cut? Why can't I throw a party in my apartment? Why can't I get married? Why can't I own a dog and buy pet food? Why can't I climb up the side of building or climb over fences? Why can't I have children then name them and play as them when my first character dies? Why can't I just bake cakes instead?

It's a little indie detective game and a game like this is very rare. You can play a lot of different games that have guns, not every game needs it. This is going to be another Police simulator patrol officers situation were people ask for guns forever and never get them.

Don't be ridiculous, you're going too far off to try to demonstrate that this game does not need to have guns. unless you truly believe that being able to do all those things are the same thing and of reasonable request.

we don't need them though, some people just want them

i feel like that post wasn't about proving it but instead making exaggerations, there is aren't really reasons other than 'i want them' and 'everyone else has them/it's weird we can't use them when they're in-game'

the reason the dev didn't add them is the dev doesn't want them
the reason some players don't want them can vary
a haircut would be as useless as a gun for me, but the gun would have lasting consequences that would affect my playstyle

[Antipathy World]

Originally posted by Kyle:

Originally posted by Nagatoro🌺:

Don't be ridiculous, you're going too far off to try to demonstrate that this game does not need to have guns. unless you truly believe that being able to do all those things are the same thing and of reasonable request.

we don't need them though, some people just want them

i feel like that post wasn't about proving it but instead making exaggerations, there is aren't really reasons other than 'i want them' and 'everyone else has them/it's weird we can't use them when they're in-game'

I think its alittle more than that, this is as basic as common sense can get, you're a detective investigating murder cases, you know that it'll be dangerous and suspects are armed, in what world would you not bring a gun to protect your self?

Its very easy to say 'we dont need them', yea we dont need alot of things, we dont even need body armors and grenades in fps, but it'll make sense and be nice to have them.

[zetathix]

Put reason into lore in the game about why player cannot use gun would be a good idea, like because some Sync in you which is one of a condition to join your previous career (as megacorp planned), forced you to be under the constraint, and player need to find a clue/way to neutralize/remove that 'lock' (in the long run if player try to reach this 'truth'), with a catch that after that player will unable to use/do some of detective choice (remove/neutralize it means become 'outlaw') and just make the game harder and harsher.

[ThePaSch]

Originally posted by Nagatoro🌺:

Its more understandable if the devs come out and say its not within their scope atm or something, cause being able to kill someone does make alot of changes to the game thaat they didnt have to account for i guess, thats an acceptable answer
instead of blind fan boys going 'it'll become CoD'

They've literally given that exact response.

[DoremianCleff]

Yeah, they literally stated that killing was causing issues to AI, which is understandable since only "murders" that happen are involved with cases, so if you could just kill people at will, it would cause a lot of things to break real fast.

[Mirilliux]

Originally posted by WILLHOU:

People would sit in air vents shooting enforcers. They're not in because it would trivialise the game. At least with the sword you have to close the gap giving people time to sound the alarm

Just make it six bullets max at one time

[Retro]

Originally posted by WILLHOU:

People would sit in air vents shooting enforcers. They're not in because it would trivialise the game. At least with the sword you have to close the gap giving people time to sound the alarm

but why does that matter? it's how they choose to play. lol you could just play the way you wanted.

[Zothen]

And here we go again - yet another "gun-nut dance cycle". So sad.