Shadows of Doubt

Shadows of Doubt

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Safebox Jun 13, 2023 @ 1:10pm
Photograph this Person (who I have no info about)
I got one of those "take a photo of this person for me" jobs.
Only problem is, I have no info to go on.

I know they're female, and I know their hair colour, and their salary.
But everything else is a mystery, I haven't even been given a rough name or where to start looking. It cannot be done unless I go and photography every female in the city...
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Slippery Williams Jun 13, 2023 @ 1:19pm 
I think you got given a dating ad preference
Isabelle Jun 13, 2023 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by Safebox:
I got one of those "take a photo of this person for me" jobs.
Only problem is, I have no info to go on.

I know they're female, and I know their hair colour, and their salary.
But everything else is a mystery, I haven't even been given a rough name or where to start looking. It cannot be done unless I go and photography every female in the city...
just close the case then

sometimes the case just isnt worth doing
Shurenai Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:13pm 
Originally posted by Isabelle:
Originally posted by Safebox:
I got one of those "take a photo of this person for me" jobs.
Only problem is, I have no info to go on.

I know they're female, and I know their hair colour, and their salary.
But everything else is a mystery, I haven't even been given a rough name or where to start looking. It cannot be done unless I go and photography every female in the city...
just close the case then

sometimes the case just isnt worth doing
Or, alternatively, go focus on some other case- You've got 5 case slots, this one can sit there waiting for you, and you might stumble onto extra info about the person in the future. But yeah, sometimes it just doesn't seem worth doing....At the same time, those are the ones I want to solve the most.
Isabelle Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:16pm 
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Originally posted by Isabelle:
just close the case then

sometimes the case just isnt worth doing
Or, alternatively, go focus on some other case- You've got 5 case slots, this one can sit there waiting for you, and you might stumble onto extra info about the person in the future. But yeah, sometimes it just doesn't seem worth doing....At the same time, those are the ones I want to solve the most.
i feel like a grizzled veteran in these forums because I see a bunch of people getting excited about side missions I just think "yeah, that'll go well..."

TL;DR- side missions can generate jobs in which your target is LITERALLY impossible (as in, there is no possible way) to distinguish from other candidates. Like, if you're tasked to find a guy, and all of the info you have is "brown hair, blue eyes" then you're going to have to systematically click on the heads of every brown-haired-blue-eyed person in the entire city until the game itself gives up and tells you who it is.
Shurenai Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:30pm 
Originally posted by Isabelle:
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Or, alternatively, go focus on some other case- You've got 5 case slots, this one can sit there waiting for you, and you might stumble onto extra info about the person in the future. But yeah, sometimes it just doesn't seem worth doing....At the same time, those are the ones I want to solve the most.
i feel like a grizzled veteran in these forums because I see a bunch of people getting excited about side missions I just think "yeah, that'll go well..."

TL;DR- side missions can generate jobs in which your target is LITERALLY impossible (as in, there is no possible way) to distinguish from other candidates. Like, if you're tasked to find a guy, and all of the info you have is "brown hair, blue eyes" then you're going to have to systematically click on the heads of every brown-haired-blue-eyed person in the entire city until the game itself gives up and tells you who it is.
As an active pursuit, Yeah, it's not going to go well. But as a background thing just hanging around? Sure.

Maybe this is just youthful naivete from me, since I've only got about 30 hours in so far..

But.. I see nothing particularly wrong with trying to beat it even when it's essentially impossible. I also see no reason why it can't sit in my case list while I do other things- You can only ever Really be working on one case at a time, Maybe two if they coincide very well. So that leaves 3-4 spaces for you to keep extra cases stuffed into, And you never know when you might stumble into the right person or their workplace while doing whatever other missions you're doing.

Case in point (heh), I just finished one of those 'impossible' cases in my last play session. All I was given was female with long brown hair and an interest in plants I think it was? I just went along doing the murder case that cropped up and finishing a few other jobs, and then when I got back to the 'impossible' one, there were a few additional details in the citizen profile- Which meant I'd run into them or information about them sometime between opening the briefcase and that moment; So I just retraced my steps back through the extra missions and the murder case till I found her, got the picture and turned it in.

Even if you prefer to just do easier cases, there's no real reason NOT to have an 'impossible' case sitting in your case bar just in case you stumble on the person by chance if nothing else.
Isabelle Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:33pm 
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Originally posted by Isabelle:
i feel like a grizzled veteran in these forums because I see a bunch of people getting excited about side missions I just think "yeah, that'll go well..."

TL;DR- side missions can generate jobs in which your target is LITERALLY impossible (as in, there is no possible way) to distinguish from other candidates. Like, if you're tasked to find a guy, and all of the info you have is "brown hair, blue eyes" then you're going to have to systematically click on the heads of every brown-haired-blue-eyed person in the entire city until the game itself gives up and tells you who it is.
As an active pursuit, Yeah, it's not going to go well. But as a background thing just hanging around? Sure.

Maybe this is just youthful naivete from me, since I've only got about 30 hours in so far..

But.. I see nothing particularly wrong with trying to beat it even when it's essentially impossible. I also see no reason why it can't sit in my case list while I do other things- You can only ever Really be working on one case at a time, Maybe two if they coincide very well. So that leaves 3-4 spaces for you to keep extra cases stuffed into, And you never know when you might stumble into the right person or their workplace while doing whatever other missions you're doing.

Case in point (heh), I just finished one of those 'impossible' cases in my last play session. All I was given was female with long brown hair and an interest in plants I think it was? I just went along doing the murder case that cropped up and finishing a few other jobs, and then when I got back to the 'impossible' one, there were a few additional details in the citizen profile- Which meant I'd run into them or information about them sometime between opening the briefcase and that moment; So I just retraced my steps back through the extra missions and the murder case till I found her, got the picture and turned it in.

Even if you prefer to just do easier cases, there's no real reason NOT to have an 'impossible' case sitting in your case bar just in case you stumble on the person by chance if nothing else.
when the game tasks you to arrest somebody who you can't verifiably distinguish from others in any possible way, it's not immersive, not fun, and a failed case generation in my eyes. This has nothing to do with difficulty- It is literally impossible to verify who the perp is without the game telling you.

I don't mean cases that are hard to solve due to lack of evidence, I mean cases that cannot be effectively worked on as a detective because ALL of the given information doesn't lead to any one specific person.
Ahoge-dono Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by Isabelle:
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Or, alternatively, go focus on some other case- You've got 5 case slots, this one can sit there waiting for you, and you might stumble onto extra info about the person in the future. But yeah, sometimes it just doesn't seem worth doing....At the same time, those are the ones I want to solve the most.
i feel like a grizzled veteran in these forums because I see a bunch of people getting excited about side missions I just think "yeah, that'll go well..."

TL;DR- side missions can generate jobs in which your target is LITERALLY impossible (as in, there is no possible way) to distinguish from other candidates. Like, if you're tasked to find a guy, and all of the info you have is "brown hair, blue eyes" then you're going to have to systematically click on the heads of every brown-haired-blue-eyed person in the entire city until the game itself gives up and tells you who it is.

Or... hear me out, you look into the job drop off. With photo side jobs there's always a door drop off, this isn't a an arrest side job where it's the Division that made the listing. The resident of that address has a connection to the target. So you narrowed it down to a brown haired, blue eyed female that either is a neighbor or a coworker.

They also know the salary, also easily very comparable, especially if you been around your city a few time. You can easily figure out what job that person has, and where they work at.

Bam! You narrowed down from an entire city into a easy amount to investigate.
Isabelle Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:34pm 
And for what its worth, making cases easier is just about the last thing I'd want. I can't play this game anymore because of how easy it is for me.
Isabelle Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:35pm 
Originally posted by Ahoge-dono:
Originally posted by Isabelle:
i feel like a grizzled veteran in these forums because I see a bunch of people getting excited about side missions I just think "yeah, that'll go well..."

TL;DR- side missions can generate jobs in which your target is LITERALLY impossible (as in, there is no possible way) to distinguish from other candidates. Like, if you're tasked to find a guy, and all of the info you have is "brown hair, blue eyes" then you're going to have to systematically click on the heads of every brown-haired-blue-eyed person in the entire city until the game itself gives up and tells you who it is.

Or... hear me out, you look into the job drop off. With photo side jobs there's always a door drop off, this isn't a an arrest side job where it's the Division that made the listing. The resident of that address has a connection to the target. So you narrowed it down to a brown haired, blue eyed female that either is a neighbor or a coworker.

They also know the salary, also easily very comparable, especially if you been around your city a few time. You can easily figure out what job that person has, and where they work at.

Bam! You narrowed down from an entire city into a easy amount to investigate.
not a murder case- side jobs. you CANNOT get more information about side job targets.

edit: also i wasnt talking about OP's case specifically
Last edited by Isabelle; Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:36pm
Sky Wizard Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:47pm 
The salary info is the useful one here. You got a couple of options:

1) Break into businesses and check records until you find a job title that matches the salary. Generally speaking different job titles pay differently (there are exceptions. janitors, receptionist and kitchen hands(?) all have the same salary). Armed with that info you've narrowed down the potential suspect list significantly.

2) The "I don't wanna run around the city" option, use a third party guide (found in the guides section) that lists every profession and their salaries, and even where to find those professions if you have no idea where to find a El Gen Representative, for example.
Last edited by Sky Wizard; Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:47pm
Spuz Jun 13, 2023 @ 6:59pm 
Having their salary, if you have a knowledge of what certain jobs make you can then look at those types of companies to find the employee file. You'd just have to match all employees with that salary and hair colour, and then you could find them.

Having the Dove+ disk that gives you the knowledge of peoples' salaries just from looking at their pictures would help in this case. Then you can look at the employee photo boards instead of having to break in and look at employee files.
David Jun 13, 2023 @ 11:09pm 
"Salary" - This can narrow it down a lot if it means they don't work in an office. It might mean you only need to check one business in the entire city, go there and find the corkboard that has photos of the employees.
Shurenai Jun 14, 2023 @ 12:01am 
I'd just like to note also, Make sure you check the "Details" panel of the job listing -after- you do the call/get the briefcase and have gotten the pin for the person you're looking for. It may save you a LOT of trouble.

Case in point, I have a job right now, told me the building they work in, long brown hair, and size 13 shoes. Not a whole lot to go on..... But the details panel of the job listing literally gave me her name and I just didn't notice, and I only discovered this little tidbit after fruitlessly combing around the building for awhile.
Safebox Jun 14, 2023 @ 6:01am 
Yeah I closed the case, there was nothing I could go on.
I got another 7 done with no issues (well other than getting sent to the hospital a lot, no technical issues).

Still, I ran around the city and interacted with every female I met just to be sure while I was doing other cases.
But I never found the person I was supposed to photograph by the time I gave up.
J010011113 Jun 14, 2023 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by Sky Wizard:
The salary info is the useful one here. You got a couple of options:
Generally speaking different job titles pay differently (there are exceptions. janitors, receptionist and kitchen hands(?) all have the same salary).

It's a rule. I can't remember the salaries exactly but it goes something like:

Janitors and receptionists around $15000/a
QA managers - bit higher
Wait staff/Bar staff - mid $20000
Kitchen Staff - Same
City Hall employees - Same-ish
Enforcer - mid-high $20000's, I think...I remember it being surprisingly low.
Chef/Sous - upward of 40 or 50 thousand.
Sync clinic MDs/ Ward Nurses - 30's - 40's
Pawn shop employees - $90000+
Office managers - $100000+

Like I say, I can't remember the specific number, but I remember doing a case looking for someone who made $36200 and that's how I remember the ranges. The $36200 stood out because there's no business that pays out that salary...the guy ended up being a Black Market arms dealer.
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