How do you automate science packs

[StellarSkys]

I'm trying to do my automation on science packs, and without doing some super huge space consuming layout i don't get it. you aren't allowed to use elevated loaders or they say "no foundations" so i can't use higher elevations, so i don't get how i'm supposed to do this.

not without creating mini conveyor lines for every single assembler. you can't merge the lines without risk of creating a backlog of a specific resource you can't go up in elevation because for some reason thats not allowed. theres no tool to carry a belt through another belt. so every single assembler needs to have 2 faces for input, 1 face for output which just makes it so if you have mass construction lines its hugely over consuming space wise to construct any multi item lines as you can't place your assemblers near each other as they need the open faces.

[scooter80]

Each face of the research center can have three loaders for science packs. Using one, two, three lane loaders, I place my research centers in a straight line, touching two ends to eachother. Load three tiers on one side, the other two on the other.

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by scooter80:

Each face of the research center can have three loaders for science packs. Using one, two, three lane loaders, I place my research centers in a straight line, touching two ends to eachother. Load three tiers on one side, the other two on the other.

right but to make the science pack themselfs the assemblers have 3 faces sure, but if you wanna put them in a row they only have 2 useable faces.

or you have to spread them out massively to give each of them effectively their own belts for each item.

[TargetLost]

Aeh that is the essence of this game. You will build a ton of foundation (that basic plate that provides electricity) to place thing son it and you will build whole conveyour belt system to feed the Assemblies.
And you should be doing it in a way that you can expand them later.

The usual approach is you build a line of those Assemblies and they touch it other
then you have one side for the input belts up to 3 belts and the other for the output useually just one.
Make sure that the in comming belts and outgoing are on the same staring point of the assembly line.
Looks like this:

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Happy construction.

P.s. jes the very first Assembly row is not like that because you are missing the 2 and 3 space input and output elements for the factory so research them as soon as you can.

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

Aeh that is the essence of this game. You will build a ton of foundation (that basic plate that provides electricity) to place thing son it and you will build whole conveyour belt system to feed the Assemblies.
And you should be doing it in a way that you can expand them later.

The usual approach is you build a line of those Assemblies and they touch it other
then you have one side for the input belts up to 3 belts and the other for the output useually just one.
Make sure that the in comming belts and outgoing are on the same staring point of the assembly line.
Looks like this:

<-----------
AAAAAAAA
----------->
----------->
----------->

Happy construction.

P.s. jes the very first Assembly row is not like that because you are missing the 2 and 3 space input and output elements for the factory so research them as soon as you can.

okay but how do i get the 2nd row and 3rd row into the factory this isnt like dyson sphere project where a loader can grab from 3 rows away.

[TargetLost]

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

okay but how do i get the 2nd row and 3rd row into the factory this isnt like dyson sphere project where a loader can grab from 3 rows away.

Like said you have to research them to free them.
So best is to manual create the first research packages and research at least the second belt input element so you can start building a proper assembly line.

I did my very first just with the ramps. it is dueable but ugly and yes then you have to leave 3 or 4 space inbetween the Assemblies and they can't touch each other

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

okay but how do i get the 2nd row and 3rd row into the factory this isnt like dyson sphere project where a loader can grab from 3 rows away.

Like said you have to research them to free them.
So best is to manual create the first research packages and research at least the second belt input element so you can start building a proper assembly line.

I did my very first just with the ramps. it is dueable but ugly and yes then you have to leave 3 or 4 space inbetween the Assemblies and they can't touch each other [/quote]

thats so disgusting. ugh. thank you though.

[Fenix]

It should look like this, in the end. (I have a sixth belt ready for Tier 6 Science, when they add it)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3264272491

[Fenix]

I know only one thing that needs six items going into one assembler, and that is construction parts
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3264280556
Everything else is 5 items or less and most are 3 or 4 items
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3264282240

[][-Stormshadow]

Huge space consuming stuff isn't optional. You can make it a bit easier by either setting up a secondary factory to build the stuff you use to build the factory (foundations, belts, etc) or complicate your science production area by extending capacity and including the extra lines.

Personally, from my experience in Factorio and Satisfactory, the better option is to keep them separate. It keeps things simpler and makes it easier to scale stuff. Also, as much of a pain in the ass as it is, build vertically. Smelting and plate production on the ground floor, intermediate products on the second, science on the third, etc.

[kremlin]

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

thats so disgusting. ugh. thank you though.

Oh man, you're in for a rough ride if the initial "have you manually do things to *understand why you want to* unlock the first level automation" part is disgusting.

[Stellar Remnant]

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

Originally posted by TargetLost:

Like said you have to research them to free them.
So best is to manual create the first research packages and research at least the second belt input element so you can start building a proper assembly line.

I did my very first just with the ramps. it is dueable but ugly and yes then you have to leave 3 or 4 space inbetween the Assemblies and they can't touch each other

thats so disgusting. ugh. thank you though.

unless they physically damage your health, you can only improve yourself by adapting to challenges instead of giving up instantly

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by MiniHerc:

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

thats so disgusting. ugh. thank you though.

unless they physically damage your health, you can only improve yourself by adapting to challenges instead of giving up instantly

i more so meant its disgusting that such a basically needed thing is locked that far in.

also saying something is disgusting doesnt mean giving up.

[Mister Fabulous]

You don't need the 3rd lane loader for a long time and yeah that one is locked behind tier 3 research. The 2nd lane loader is researched for a grand total of 30 science 1 starting from scratch. It's really not a big deal.

Take a look at this guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3235137136
It has a great setup for getting tier 1-3 research going. But seriously, if you're having a rough go of it now, getting tier 4 research production going is probably gonna make you quit.

[jhughes]

Originally posted by Mister Fabulous:

You don't need the 3rd lane loader for a long time and yeah that one is locked behind tier 3 research. The 2nd lane loader is researched for a grand total of 30 science 1 starting from scratch. It's really not a big deal.

Take a look at this guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3235137136
It has a great setup for getting tier 1-3 research going. But seriously, if you're having a rough go of it now, getting tier 4 research production going is probably gonna make you quit.

This is great for SP1 to SP3 and adding a 4th conveyor beside the 3rd one around the outside is easy enough to do for SP4 after you create it.

[tonytoy]

Have you tried multi lane loaders and fitter loaders? In a three port configuration on an assembler you can 1 normal loader to load the first element. Utilizing the two lane loader you bypass the first input and input to the second. If needed use a filter loader.
Each loaders belt needs to go through the assembler to the back of the next.
Leave 4 squares in between the assemblers to be able to output packs.
Dig down to go under the other belts and begin a new line of belts to the research servers.
I have done this and it minimize the space used by converse and gets you thinking in 4 demolitions.