to big for his dam britches

[Jaeger117]

getting big for his britches calling me a cheater in the discord because i broke the 2k g limit in game max limit with an order of 10 one-handed axe out of titanium making my in-game money hit zero and i cant buy anything and when i sell something i get no money from it for a game about earning money only having a max of 2k gold is a bit odd but fine i see 2 things that can be done to help lower the price of titanium or increase the max money we can have up to you i say increase the max money we can have and or make it so we can have several chests to store the max and fix the max cap so i dont brake the game to the point that i need to make a new game again

[Jaeger117]

never asked for more details and automatically said i was cheating and braking the game for having 6 in all upgrades

[Dasius]

I'm not quite sure what happen and why you would be considered a cheater, so I won't comment on that but i'll address the limit on in-game money cap. The reason there is monetary limitation is because I am using a 32 bit integer when doing all the monetary calculations. When the monetary system was initially implemented 5 years ago, the limitation was not considered and in some ways not so much a problem. Now with all the changes, the limit has become a problem. I'm currently looking into a different method so the limitation is clearer and higher. This unfortunately means that your saves will probably not work with the new system but no promises.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

[Kurzidan]

did... You make another steam account? or something?

cause this post looks eerily similar to another post that was already responded to, except it looks like its trying to be vague about "who its accusing", and trying to make it sound like even more was said, than what was said, if it was even said to "you" - Since again, I was pretty sure the person who made the previous post, went by a different username...

None the less...
Since the post looks the same, the answer is the same.

For one, the person, whether it was you or the person on discord whom "broke the 2k limit" - DMed me, days back, 11 or so - and was told there, and here on steam discussions where a post similar to the DM discussion was made around the same time, that they were not being called a cheater. - I reiterate since this post, on steam, looks similar and thus seems to be a "repost" - - HITTING THE 32BIT INTEGER - - and saying that the ONLY REAL FIX FOR HITTING THE 32BIT INTEGER LIMIT - - Is to RELOAD - - Does not have any direct link to "cheating" - - End of point. period. It doesn't matter how you hit "2,147,483,647" (the 32bit integer limit, a computational limitation, Not a limit designed by any specific game) - It was hit, the values freaked out, your chest/bank/coins suffered as a result, Period, because of it being hit - The only options at that point, to FIX, to undo, to reverse, to make it as it were. Is to load your save, however long ago the last save was. There's no "undo transaction" that would somehow be able to set the value back to what it was, or some such thing similar, the only FIX, for hitting it... to undo it. is to reload.

Next point, immediately following after "fix" - Warnings.
"Don't cheat to have absurd charisma" and "Don't level, A Very Legitimate action to have "such amounts" of charisma, that even simple transactions cause it to hit the limit - Are a) Not implying you HAVE TO BE A CHEATER and b) Not directly linked to ANY ACTION you may have performed, to hit, the limit. - They are WARNINGS... Because it is a common sight to see someone invest as much as possible into charisma to get more money more quickly, and then get to a point where all their "high price" sales, just break the bank, immediately. - because it is a common sight to see someone also, cheat to have millions of charisma, - And thus, its like a FAQ, Did you specifically need to have that answer/warning, given?, No, but its going to be given anyway, because its common.

The addition of a second form of currency, the diamonds, which IIRC are 1000 gold a piece, or, approximately 40%/half of the 32bit integer limit, 2,147,483,647, (1000 gold would be equivalent to 1,000,000,000) (gold, silver, copper) - This.
This was added, to help people collect more money, and not trigger the 32bit integer limit AS MUCH - it is still perfectly possible, Legitimately, to reach, that outcome. Legitimately.
Legitimately

[Kurzidan]

Also, to that extent, nobody would actually care if you do cheat, or don't, MLBS is a single player game. (at least currently)
But. There is lies, a good reason, to WARN you. - about very specifically. making Charisma be very high. Legitimately (leveling) or cheating. Because Unlike Agility and Strength, Which deal in categories that are insanely far away from values that can reach 2,147,483,647 - Charisma, the money related stat, is not only connected to a value that can QUICKLY and EASILY reach millions and billions, but that is also interconnected and woven into a majority of your other actions. Because Money.
Nobody is going to care if you legitimately put all your level into strength, or all into agility, or even all into charisma, However. The game, then you, will care. - Which is where anyone else will then end up caring

much like in discord, where the game cared that Jaeger117 had 6 charisma and tried to make a single value transaction, A Job order, of 10 titanium (anything, but hatchets in this case) (approximately 20 titanium ingots) - Just off of base value, no additional adjustments, for normal difficulty prices, this is already 20x100gold, 2000, 2 billion in the integer related to normal currency. Disregarding the amount currently in chest, disregarding any additional "worth" added. - a very possible scenario, legitimately.
a scenario, That ended with Jaeger, going past the 2,147,483,647 value, in which, at base, the 20 titanium was already close to doing, without any base-level markup, or handles, or anything.
Thus causing the value to freak out.
Thus causing Jaeger117 to care.
Thus causing the report
Thus causing a member of the community, myself, to care, and offer the only fix I know of, Reloading.
And Further warning, preventative, cautioning, advising, etc - Don't do this, don't do that, Because they relate to your issue, of going to "2,147,483,647" and beyond.
Those actions, make it easier, to break the bank.
Are they the only actions, that make it easier to break the bank? No, clearly not, - Clearly a high-capacity job order involving titanium tier, Can also easily break the bank. - I would probably include advising against doing 10+count titanium orders, to other people. - But Jaeger had already been burned by that. So it should be obvious, in that case.

I also already apologized to Jaeger, beyond all this. I told them I *wasn't* calling them a cheater, and didn't intend to make it seem like I was implying they were
Again. Warning not to level, your very normal, very not-cheater, legitimate course of action, was also said in the same statement. If I was implying they cheated, or had to cheat to reach the outcome they reached, I wouldn't have included such information. If I had thought they cheated and that was the only way to reach the bug they reached, I would've said they didn't have a bug, and it also probably would've just been reactions on their report, not an actual response.

But. in response to not asking about details.
Details, were given with the report. Further details weren't necessary. Everything necessary, was there. Had money. Made a large transaction, DIdn't have money. - No further explanation is really required there. - Had Money + Large profit = Went over 2,147,483,647, thus went into negative values, because thats how computers work.

Thus response. Reload save. That's it.

Of course. If you don't want to undo the damage, and instead wish to try and battle through it, If the value is technically actually in the negatives, You'd have to do a lot of grinding to return to normality - That's not really a fix. But technically an option

Alternatively. I could SUGGEST that you or someone, cheats. - It is of course, a double edged sword. For all intents and purposes, Any correcting, is technically, Cheating. - Stuck? Well that technically is a teleportation cheat, in any game, but also in MLBS, - Respawn, essentially the same. Its a coordinate relocation for both. - Any "undo transaction" technically just would alter the value, just like would be done in cheating, Reseting level and getting level points back? no different than altering the stats up or down. - In other words. "undo transaction" could technically be achieved through cheating. - Am I actually GOING to respond to bugs by saying "just cheat to fix it"? No.

[Jaeger117]

1. Game Version (bottom right corner ingame)
2. Description of the issue or error message as detailed as possible.
3. An image or video (if possible)
4. Steps to reproduce the issue (if possible)
5. System specs. (OS,CPU.... Laptop or Desktop....)


1 . 35
2 . had 3 light jems 1 pink jem and was compleating a 10 one hand axe titanimum order i had a dimond + in the chest in game curency and finished in wich made my balance go to 0 and i couldnt buy any thing and when i did a order from a custimer it didnt change
3 .
4 . high amount of cash and some jems in chest in the new house you can buy
5 . win 10, i7 - 4790k , nvidia Geforce gtx 1660 super , desctop


- addressed in bug discussion -
the only real "fix" would be to reload after doing it.
don't cheat to have absurd charisma
don't level up to have such amounts of charisma that even the simplest transaction causes it to reach the digit limit and go under
having diamonds already doesn't prevent issues - the value is still a digit limit either way, with or without diamonds. (think its something like basically the equivalent amount of 2 diamonds in gold/silver/copper that is the digit limit? or its like 20 or something Its)
This is going to take too long.. I'm not really super awake pardon misspells and nonsense, going to just post what I got and maybe go from there.


and thats not saying that im not a cheater thats strait out saying that i am on your second line to me for the "fix" and its on a discord board that every one can see and post to how does that work in my favor if game plan is to make the game have a multiplayer mode now this so called 'cheater' on specs to brake the game wants to join you nice job

[Kurzidan]

again.
Its not saying you're a cheater.

further more, once again.
Nobody is going to care if you cheat in MLBS singleplayer

Not a single person is going to see you as some on record cheater when the game goes multiplayer.

Not a one.
Nobody is going to care even if you were some on record cheater.
Well. Probably nobody.

Cheating in singleplayer means jack diddly squat. Modding in singleplayer means jack diddly squat.
Do you know how many people Cheat and/or mod in Minecraft in their own singleplayer worlds?
Do you know how many do in MLBS?

Does it matter?
No.
Do all those that have modded their minecraft and played on various modpacks, then go to a vanilla server, and cheat?
No? No. Just because they modded or cheated in singleplayer, means nothing.

But then returning to the point.
You still were NOT being called a cheater.

You had an issue with your money in game.

To anyone who has seen the issue before, or knows why the issue occurred based off what details were given (money in chest, large order of titanium gear sold, Issue occurred) - what happened, is obvious, and no further details, required.

The go to solution, based off the issue presented, that a user/client/consumer/etc can perform.
The only, go to "fix"/Reversal.

was the answer given to you.

Reload.

if you've been saving your game periodically, simply go and reload one of the previous saves from before the incident occurred.

That's it. Period. End. Full Stop. There is no other user based reversal/fix possible.
Next line.
Based on the topic of "Titanium" and "money issue" - a, once again WARNING , two of them, warning you Not to cheat for absurd charisma (Which I have seen users do many times, thus, prompting me to warn people about doing so.) and also warning you not to level charisma to such a point that even the simplest transaction, would cause you to hit the integer value.
warning you not to dump everything in charisma, Legitimately, is something derived from both other user cases, and my own case. if you level up and keep dumping into charisma, sure early on its great but it eventually gets to titanium and eventually gets to a point where you cannot sell a single piece of titanium, legitimately, without it breaking the bank.

a third warning, could exist, which would be a warning advising you not to do 10-piece job orders involving very high tier metal - However. Being that your original issue, stemmed from having done that, and being that it is a response being made towards you, that warning, is redundant.

Considering there is also quality bonuses now. There's potentially a fourth warning, if I actually think about it. I would suggest not doing 3+ large titanium items, with extremely high quality improvements - it is unlikely that a single one, even with the "reasonable" amount of charisma, goes to the integer limit on its own, but it is definitely going to be a big sale, combined with what might be in the chest already, I could see it having the potential.

But, back on topic. You were given a solution, and you were given two things to avoid that I could think of off the top of my head at the time. Two different, related points covered, next line, Point shifted again.

Elaborating that what you had in the coin chest, In Particular, diamonds, Didn't prevent issues.
Not having very high charisma and making a sale, vs having very high charisma and making a sale - THATS something that could prevent the issue.
Having Diamonds. Isn't. At least not substantially so. - The 32bit interger for money -
"2,147,483,647" - that value, is what related to the issue. That is what the last part of my message was saying. "That value", "the digit limit", That's what makes or breaks your bank, the coin chest.
Without the consideration of Diamonds.
You would be able to have approximately 2147 gold, 483 silver, and 647 copper, and just 1 more copper, making a grip and selling it to Geoffrey. Would send the value over the limit, either putting it negative or zeroing it (This part I remember in less detail)

With the addition and consideration of diamonds. - Generally speaking, a single transaction should trigger creation of a diamond, before the coin chest/bank/etc hits the limit and breaks. While having Diamonds =/= preventative - The addition of Diamonds to the game's monetary system, Does equate to preventative.

The statements aren't going to change. - The only "fix" remains the same
The warnings remain the same for you and anyone else.
The reason of the issue remains the same.

Again.
You're not being called a cheater.
If you were being called a cheater, A) You wouldn't. Cause I don't care if you actually do cheat or not in MLBS. Or other singleplayer games, I don't care if you mod them. I mod my games all the time. Do you know how many mods give flight, something that is usually reserved for cheating or hacking? A lot of them. So A) You're not being called out nor being called a cheater or what not, and B) for dealing with MLBS, if I thought "This person could only have caused this by cheating" You would have Multiplication X or regional indicator x reacted onto the post along side a non-descript "Not a Bug" reaction (separate reacts, regional indicators). There would not have been a response from me about it, more than likely.
And since I'm one of the few people in the community who uses their time to offer insight, help and solutions on a regular basis (keywords, regular basis, there's a few people who do reach out from time to time), the chances of you having any response to the "bug", would be slim.
You are, however. being advised not to have really high charisma, especially by the titanium tier.
IF/when Intelligence/wisdom/the last stat, should it work as it was once listed, and affect the qualities of a tool, being that quality can cause bonuses. That stat too, will eventually also be something that one will be advised not to cheat or pour tons of points from leveling onto, as the quality is a number that like money, has more of a potential in reaching very big numbers, and compound that with the bonus into the transaction, and it will not only, have the slight potential item stats breaking in similar fashion, but by close relation and extension, breaking the bank.

[Sally]

In runescape we have the same problem, 2.14b is max cash and you cant have any more coins, so people buy resources instead. you might only have 2.14b in cash, but you have 30b in resources and equipment.

If you don't want to hit the 2.14b limit and bug out your save, buy bars to lower your stack of coins.... coins are impressive, but have you ever seen a stack of 1k titanium bars?

EDIT: a warning popup would be a good addition when you start getting close to the 2b mark.

[Dasius]

Sally eredeti hozzászólása:

In runescape we have the same problem, 2.14b is max cash and you cant have any more coins, so people buy resources instead. you might only have 2.14b in cash, but you have 30b in resources and equipment.

If you don't want to hit the 2.14b limit and bug out your save, buy bars to lower your stack of coins.... coins are impressive, but have you ever seen a stack of 1k titanium bars?

EDIT: a warning popup would be a good addition when you start getting close to the 2b mark.

Thats a really interesting solution.

[Sally]

Dasius eredeti hozzászólása:

Sally eredeti hozzászólása:

In runescape we have the same problem, 2.14b is max cash and you cant have any more coins, so people buy resources instead. you might only have 2.14b in cash, but you have 30b in resources and equipment.

If you don't want to hit the 2.14b limit and bug out your save, buy bars to lower your stack of coins.... coins are impressive, but have you ever seen a stack of 1k titanium bars?

EDIT: a warning popup would be a good addition when you start getting close to the 2b mark.

Thats a really interesting solution.

In the oldschool runescape they have platinum tokens, they function as a replacement to cash, each token is worth 1000 coins. so far, no one has hit the limit of 2.14b tokens

[Kurzidan]

. . . oldschool runescape ... platinum tokens, each token ... 1000 coins. ... 2.14b tokens

Something like this particular part is actually sorta implemented - Kinda sounds like the diamonds MLBS has
Diamonds are worth around about 1000 gold or 1,000,000,000 copper/money
They're supposed to be made from about 1k, and break down into it, providing they're functioning correct.
A warning for going above the 1k gold, a popup over the customer counter, on the corner of the job board, near the chest saying you can afford a diamond or break down an existing one would be a good couple of compliments to the system though.

having an "Emergency conversion" which triggers before if you don't critical mass before hand - having a warning of approach - Having the ability to trigger the conversion manually via a popup like the order scroll in/near the chest (as well as selling it, a manual sell diamond(s) feature may help dig a person out of a critical overload scenario.

Could still introduce a 2nd value too, though, or 3rd in this case technically since diamonds. Where there actually is a platinum coin - also manually done though same interaction as buy/sell diamonds - which would just be equivalent to either titanium or adamantine ingots - 10 or 100 gold a piece. - That way you can optionally buy/sell platinum once you start getting into the last two tiers, to further mitigiate the rise to the limit.


But.
The main aggressor is [exceeding the safeties].
And there are some other ideas being played around with to try and mitigate that, but, Like the OP and myself described in various parts.

A super high end Titanium 3+ ingot item sale - can and probably will, break the bank - A shield consists of 5 to 6 ingots, +markup +wood (negligible addition), Don't know if it factors into quality bonus - if it does it is likely doubled. - Charisma bonus, rush bonus - just the shield and we're through the roof in value
A titanium Job request (usually jobs seem to either be 5 or 10 of an item) that's already comparable even if its daggers, "5 or 10" titanium ingots, x small, medium, large item amount of ingots each. so its (5, 10, 15 to 10,20,30) titanium ingots - I don't know that job requests do include great swords/axes/hammers (3 ingot) but 30 titanium = more than limit, instant break and more, 15 and 20 threaten - especially if you already have capital
Of course. As I mentioned. If your Charisma bonus or Quality bonus already equate to a ludicrous amount, that too will quickly break the bank.
Titanium sales really don't need charisma and quality bonuses, as its already the creme of the crop,
So even if Charisma or Determination don't seem to be "super high", at titanium, They basically "are", automatically. and as suggested to avoid, I have seen people with charisma stats that are, themselves, Looking like they're approaching an integer limit, needless to say these breathe and break the bank


but yeah. TL;dr for the likely triggering of the critical overload again,

Having the indicator in game for computational 32bit limit approach

Having a popup in regards to buy/sell diamonds (1000 gold/2147 gold limit)
And maybe a slightly smaller than "almost half" buy/sell (10 or 100gold/2147 limit)

or

Potentially other options