The Halo 3 armor toggle is happening, confirmed.

[Falleax]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/243780d3b80b4bb6ac7917a8942286db/topics/mcc-development-flighting-updates/3e3252e1-297a-4590-a7ab-67c133b3d37d/posts?page=4

Thank goodness. They shouldn't have added the new armors in the first place but at least we don't have to put up with it. Whether the original under suit is coming back or not is not specified but I think it's safe to say they won't bother.

[Define Brackish Water]

This news sent me on a rabbit hole where I discovered Halo 4 has a map that is a remake of The Pit. The map looks so nice! Why haven't I played on it at all?

The extra details in the news update about Halo: Reach Forge maps being touched up and spit shined are nice. I look forward to seeing what the changes are.

[PepsiMax [SAC]]

Originally posted by Falleax:

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/243780d3b80b4bb6ac7917a8942286db/topics/mcc-development-flighting-updates/3e3252e1-297a-4590-a7ab-67c133b3d37d/posts?page=4

Thank goodness. They shouldn't have added the new armors in the first place but at least we don't have to put up with it. Whether the original under suit is coming back or not is not specified but I think it's safe to say they won't bother.

Yeah that's what im hoping for too. Having a toggle is good, but really it'll only be a half step if you are still having to look at the ugly retro-fit tech suits.

If they go through the extra effort and make it so if you disable the new armor you'll have the old tech suits, then i'll really be a happy camper.

[Pyrocitor]

Originally posted by Falleax:

but I think it's safe to say they won't bother.

Expand on that?

[Falleax]

Originally posted by Pyrocitor:

Originally posted by Falleax:

but I think it's safe to say they won't bother.

Expand on that?

Just feels like it, that's all.

[Pyrocitor]

Originally posted by Falleax:

Originally posted by Pyrocitor:

Expand on that?

Just feels like it, that's all.

Compare it to the other things in the new-skins toggle.
The "default" skins for visors, vehicles and weapons in CE and 3 are all updated with the new skins toggled on, with a higher res texture that's slightly but noticeably different when you compare them. It's a new texture that supports the colour swapping.

Toggle the skins off, it swaps the proper default skin in too, for those visors, weapons, and vehicles.

If they're expanding that same setting, I'm assuming it'll work the same here too, and restore the OG defaults.

(Still not convinced the new techsuit isn't a bug, especially with the shape issues - I've seen a couple of modders show it's the same shape as the default skeleton, but some parts are rotated by a decimal amount that is causing the jagged shoulder and the wonky seals in the boots)

[Falleax]

Originally posted by Pyrocitor:

Originally posted by Falleax:

Just feels like it, that's all.

Compare it to the other things in the new-skins toggle.
The "default" skins for visors, vehicles and weapons in CE and 3 are all updated with the new skins toggled on, with a higher res texture that's slightly but noticeably different when you compare them. It's a new texture that supports the colour swapping.

Toggle the skins off, it swaps the proper default skin in too, for those visors, weapons, and vehicles.

If they're expanding that same setting, I'm assuming it'll work the same here too, and restore the OG defaults.

(Still not convinced the new techsuit isn't a bug, especially with the shape issues - I've seen a couple of modders show it's the same shape as the default skeleton, but some parts are rotated by a decimal amount that is causing the jagged shoulder and the wonky seals in the boots)

I would be glad to be wrong but I doubt I will be.

[Some Taffer]

Originally posted by Pyrocitor:

Originally posted by Falleax:

Just feels like it, that's all.

Compare it to the other things in the new-skins toggle.
The "default" skins for visors, vehicles and weapons in CE and 3 are all updated with the new skins toggled on, with a higher res texture that's slightly but noticeably different when you compare them. It's a new texture that supports the colour swapping.

Toggle the skins off, it swaps the proper default skin in too, for those visors, weapons, and vehicles.

If they're expanding that same setting, I'm assuming it'll work the same here too, and restore the OG defaults.

(Still not convinced the new techsuit isn't a bug, especially with the shape issues - I've seen a couple of modders show it's the same shape as the default skeleton, but some parts are rotated by a decimal amount that is causing the jagged shoulder and the wonky seals in the boots)

Yeah I'm still somewhat disappointed that if you turn off the skins for CE you don't get the improved default textures for weapons. Makes absolutely no sense why the higher resolution texture isn't just the default...

[I'm the walrus]

See, the MCC pc team listens to people.

That's why they didn't let the armour available beforehand.
They knew y'all were gonna have a meltdown.

[Falleax]

Originally posted by I'm the walrus:

See, the MCC pc team listens to people.

That's why they didn't let the armour available beforehand.
They knew y'all were gonna have a meltdown.

I disagree. They never told us about it or discussed it with us about whether or not we would be okay with it. If they actually knew what we wanted and listened to us, they would never have put the armor in at all, or would have planned for a toggle from the beginning.

[Archer]

The fact anyone would be ok at all with 343 changing a legacy game they had no hand in making, regardless of a toggle, baffles me completely. They can make any changes they want to their games, but why be ok with intruding into the older ones? It's absurd.

[Kills Alone]

343i cut their teeth on Reach updates, so this is not very surprising at all.

Personally I'm okay with it as there is a lot of wasted content that was made for Halo: Online such as maps, the armors, and new abilities. Although I'd prefer if they focused on porting the maps.

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Originally posted by Archer:

The fact anyone would be ok at all with 343 changing a legacy game they had no hand in making, regardless of a toggle, baffles me completely. They can make any changes they want to their games, but why be ok with intruding into the older ones? It's absurd.

It's absurd to think anyone would criticise 343i for adding more content to an already jam-packed game.

This perfectly encapsulates why most devs don't listen to feedback from forums.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by Psychedelic Adventurer:

Originally posted by Archer:

The fact anyone would be ok at all with 343 changing a legacy game they had no hand in making, regardless of a toggle, baffles me completely. They can make any changes they want to their games, but why be ok with intruding into the older ones? It's absurd.

It's absurd to think anyone would criticise 343i for adding more content to an already jam-packed game.

This perfectly encapsulates why most devs don't listen to feedback from forums.

This.

Also, Bungie sold the rights to Halo when they split from Microsoft. If I sell a piece of my writing, I have to make sure that I retain certain rights vis a vis any other projects that might spin off of that writing (and I'm not *that* good, so it's not generally a worry in the first place).

If I sell the rights lock, stock, and barrel, then I get no further say in what happens to my world, my characters, or my plot--and then we end up with The Watch.

Same thing happened here. 343i was granted the rights by Microsoft (the company that actually *owns* said rights), and they're making some minor aesthetic additions that you can turn off.

I've been with this series since CE launched for the XBox in 2001. That time-in-hobby isn't proof of anything, but since folks are continually referencing the "legacy" of these games, I think it's important to point out that not all of the "old guard" are particularly hurt by the addition of things that do not alter the game play, narrative, or fundamental function of said games.

[Falleax]

Originally posted by Psychedelic Adventurer:

Originally posted by Archer:

The fact anyone would be ok at all with 343 changing a legacy game they had no hand in making, regardless of a toggle, baffles me completely. They can make any changes they want to their games, but why be ok with intruding into the older ones? It's absurd.

It's absurd to think anyone would criticise 343i for adding more content to an already jam-packed game.

This perfectly encapsulates why most devs don't listen to feedback from forums.

We criticized them for adding bad content nobody wanted or asked for. If they had added the rest of the ODST and Mark 5 sets into the game, we would have been happy and praised them for the decision. They put in ugly armor that doesn't match the aesthetic of classic Halo 3, so we got mad. It's not hard to understand at all.

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Originally posted by Falleax:

We criticized them for adding bad content nobody wanted or asked for. If they had added the rest of the ODST and Mark 5 sets into the game, we would have been happy and praised them for the decision. They put in ugly armor that doesn't match the aesthetic of classic Halo 3, so we got mad. It's not hard to understand at all.

I don't care if you don't like the armour, or the style of said armour. It is now a part of the Halo canon. I like it's in the game; so long as there is one person who enjoys wearing it, that is justification enough. You're not forced to wear it, and the fact that others want to and you still complain, marks you as the insincere brat I already knew you to be.
"But mur classic Halo legacy"