Halo: The Master Chief Collection

Halo: The Master Chief Collection

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Flushing 22. mar. 2024 kl. 5:19
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Getting into Halo's Story
Hey all, I have the Master Chief Collection, and I was wondering what Halo game I should play to get the most lore/story coming off of the Amazon Season 2?

I don't want to start with the original if I don't have too. I am looking for something that is story intensive and also graphically decent by today's standards. I also don't mind reading up on lore gaps.
Oprindeligt skrevet af countgrey:
To be clear, Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3 are all tied together because they're direct continuations of an ongoing story. While you've mentioned you don't like how Halo CE feels (it hasn't aged well), it arguably contains the most central lore of the entire series. As such, you may want to watch a Halo CE cutscenes video on YouTube - you'll still get the lore but you'll be able to avoid having to play CE. Honestly speaking, skipping Halo CE is like skipping Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and going right into the 2nd or 3rd part of the series - you'll just be left with lots of questions about what's going on, why do things matter, who is so-and-so and why are they important, etc.

Halo Reach is a prequel, and feels a lot like a more modern game. It's a lot like the movie Rogue One in that it covers some important events, but doesn't actually contain the core lore of the main story. It is also a partial retcon of the novel The Fall of Reach which was released a couple weeks before Halo CE was to help explain some of the lore/backstory of the game.

Halo ODST is essentially a standalone game that overlaps with the timing of Halo 2 and Halo 3. The narrative style is very different from the other Halo games, and some of the mechanics differ too, but the differences make it interesting to many Halo fans.

Halo 4, being the newest of the games in the MCC, is actually one I would argue against playing if you want relevant lore. Part of why Halo 4 is disliked by many fans (aside from the generic feel of it and other mechanics and level design issues) is that it requires a lot of extra lore that isn't present in the game in order for you to understand everything that's going on. Remember, the Halo franchise includes books and comic books, and some of those are basically required reading if you want to know what the heck is happening in Halo 4. To help with that, the developers added a ton of "Terminals" that trigger lore cutscenes in the remastered version of Halo CE (released in late 2011) to help explain some of the lore in Halo 4 (released in late 2012).

As for the Halo games that aren't part of the MCC, Halo 5 was when the developers made a lot of dubious escalating choices about the lore (even more dubious than the choices made in Halo 4). Halo Wars 1 & 2 as well as Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike all have relevant bits of lore, but they don't matter nearly as much as Halo Infinite. Halo Infinite is seen as an attempt to kind of sweep Halo 4 & 5 under the rug, or at least make us focus back on Master Chief again.

Apart from all of the Halo games, the TV show explicitly takes place in an alternate timeline that overlaps that of the various Halo games. So far, Season 1 and 2 overlap with the in-universe timing of Halo Reach and Halo CE. The showrunners have very specifically stated that they borrow various characters from the original franchise, but they've also made some decisions that just don't match with what the established lore is. Again, the TV show is an alt-universe version of the original Halo franchise, with established characters and events being rewritten to further the plot of the TV show, and only loosely resembles the original Halo franchise and lore. You're welcome to play the Halo games, but don't be surprised if what you find out doesn't line up with the TV show.

In the end, your best bet is to watch a YouTube video of all of the cutscenes from Halo CE, or read a summary of it. Like I said earlier, it covers the most critical lore. Then read a few summaries about the other Halo games and you'll understand the core lore of the franchise. If you really want to play a MCC game but refuse to play Halo CE, then play Halo Reach or Halo ODST: they both are modern enough not to feel terrible, and they're relatively self-contained in terms of story, so they're pretty easy to follow.
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Derek aka Derek 22. mar. 2024 kl. 14:39 
just to be clear those are the worst games in the series. but if you can enjoy that god awful tv show you probably will like those. 1-3 are the good halo games.
acSiegemaster 22. mar. 2024 kl. 15:14 
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just to be clear those are the worst games in the series. but if you can enjoy that god awful tv show you probably will like those. 1-3 are the good halo games.
>ce
awful level design with massively reused sections
>2
literally not playtested and broken, redeemed only by its writing, and even then it ends on a cliffhanger
>3
gameplay is somewhat more polished while the writing takes a massive dive. Also the sandbox is bland and the map editor sucks.
Clancy McFancy 22. mar. 2024 kl. 21:54 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:
Hey all, I have the Master Chief Collection, and I was wondering what Halo game I should play to get the most lore/story coming off of the Amazon Season 2?

I don't want to start with the original if I don't have too. I am looking for something that is story intensive and also graphically decent by today's standards. I also don't mind reading up on lore gaps.
Just play the damn first game already.
Flushing 23. mar. 2024 kl. 3:03 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Clancy McFancy:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:
Hey all, I have the Master Chief Collection, and I was wondering what Halo game I should play to get the most lore/story coming off of the Amazon Season 2?

I don't want to start with the original if I don't have too. I am looking for something that is story intensive and also graphically decent by today's standards. I also don't mind reading up on lore gaps.
Just play the damn first game already.

I tried it and it sucked. When I tried it on X-Box in 2002 it also sucked compared to other FPS at the time, such as:

1. Wolfenstein 3d;
2. Unreal Tournament Edition;
3. Red Faction.

Not just the graphics either, as someone mentioned, a lot of the level design was extremely poor.

I remember being excited when I saw the original trailer from Bungie but then Microsoft bought it as an exclusive and the limitations of the Xbox system made it into a port of what it could have been.

It may have been the best Xbox title at the time, but it was not the best fps at the time.

So no, I will not play through Halo 1 because I have all of the titles and Halo Infinite and don't need to start at the oldest title as if it's my religion.
Sidst redigeret af Flushing; 23. mar. 2024 kl. 3:03
Clancy McFancy 23. mar. 2024 kl. 4:09 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:
I tried it and it sucked.
Not just the graphics either, as someone mentioned, a lot of the level design was extremely poor.
So no, I will not play through Halo 1 because I have all of the titles and Halo Infinite and don't need to start at the oldest title as if it's my religion.
Genuinely, what are you here for? You don't even LIKE the very BASIS of the franchise.
The one that starts practically ALL of the plot threads.

There are plenty of other games, with far better lore, that you could be playing right now. There are thousands of novels, hell, ancient scriptures and history, that have better lore than Halo.

You could be doing literally anything else, that would entertain you in the same manner.
Flushing 23. mar. 2024 kl. 4:41 
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Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:
I tried it and it sucked.
Not just the graphics either, as someone mentioned, a lot of the level design was extremely poor.
So no, I will not play through Halo 1 because I have all of the titles and Halo Infinite and don't need to start at the oldest title as if it's my religion.
Genuinely, what are you here for? You don't even LIKE the very BASIS of the franchise.
The one that starts practically ALL of the plot threads.

There are plenty of other games, with far better lore, that you could be playing right now. There are thousands of novels, hell, ancient scriptures and history, that have better lore than Halo.

You could be doing literally anything else, that would entertain you in the same manner.

My original post is clear, and I got the answer already, which I marked. I literally said that "I don't want to start with the original if I don't have too."

There are a few people who keep insisting that I play Halo 1, which I have said I don't enjoy. But for whatever reason they keep reiterating that single point.

Street Fighter 1 and Monster Hunter 1 were also the basis for franchises but noone sincerely believes anyone new to the series should start there, story or not.

That aside, in terms of market capture of new players the idea of starting at Halo 1 is probably the best way to kill the franchise off for anyone new.

Whether you like it or not, the Amazon Series and Halo Infinite are doing much more of the heavy lifting now than playing Halo 1.

Regardless, I got my answer and marked it.
Sidst redigeret af Flushing; 23. mar. 2024 kl. 4:53
rcf5089 23. mar. 2024 kl. 6:17 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Clancy McFancy:
Genuinely, what are you here for? You don't even LIKE the very BASIS of the franchise.
The one that starts practically ALL of the plot threads.

There are plenty of other games, with far better lore, that you could be playing right now. There are thousands of novels, hell, ancient scriptures and history, that have better lore than Halo.

You could be doing literally anything else, that would entertain you in the same manner.

My original post is clear, and I got the answer already, which I marked. I literally said that "I don't want to start with the original if I don't have too."

There are a few people who keep insisting that I play Halo 1, which I have said I don't enjoy. But for whatever reason they keep reiterating that single point.

Street Fighter 1 and Monster Hunter 1 were also the basis for franchises but noone sincerely believes anyone new to the series should start there, story or not.

That aside, in terms of market capture of new players the idea of starting at Halo 1 is probably the best way to kill the franchise off for anyone new.

Whether you like it or not, the Amazon Series and Halo Infinite are doing much more of the heavy lifting now than playing Halo 1.

Regardless, I got my answer and marked it.

You do realize that the answer you marked was pure sarcasm right? By the poster's own addition.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Derek aka Derek:
just to be clear those are the worst games in the series. but if you can enjoy that god awful tv show you probably will like those. 1-3 are the good halo games.

Halo CE is not street fighter or monster hunter. Skipping it would be more like skipping a New Hope if you are starting Star Wars. If all you care about is the Halo Multiplayer you can skip CE but you asked for Lore and getting into the story. If you really cannot stand the graphics I get that, I can't stand the new graphics, and that's not just nostalgia but part of it enters the uncanny valley effect. Everyone has different tolerances to these issues. If that is your issue you can read the books instead, or maybe look up let's plays that showcase the story.

In terms of the show, this is not me being edgy or a hater but by the showrunners own admission they are doing their own thing with new lore loosely based on Halo in a new "Silver Timeline." Going back to any of the games or books regardless of whether they were made under Bungie or 343i would not help you with understanding the TV show and may just add confusion. Neither Infinite or the TV show are bringing in new fans to the old franchise but are creating new fans of new franchises. If you like the new stuff that is fine but the OG Bungie games are just something different.
Sidst redigeret af rcf5089; 23. mar. 2024 kl. 7:36
Flushing 23. mar. 2024 kl. 9:32 
Oprindeligt skrevet af rcf5089:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:

My original post is clear, and I got the answer already, which I marked. I literally said that "I don't want to start with the original if I don't have too."

There are a few people who keep insisting that I play Halo 1, which I have said I don't enjoy. But for whatever reason they keep reiterating that single point.

Street Fighter 1 and Monster Hunter 1 were also the basis for franchises but noone sincerely believes anyone new to the series should start there, story or not.

That aside, in terms of market capture of new players the idea of starting at Halo 1 is probably the best way to kill the franchise off for anyone new.

Whether you like it or not, the Amazon Series and Halo Infinite are doing much more of the heavy lifting now than playing Halo 1.

Regardless, I got my answer and marked it.

You do realize that the answer you marked was pure sarcasm right? By the poster's own addition.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Derek aka Derek:
just to be clear those are the worst games in the series. but if you can enjoy that god awful tv show you probably will like those. 1-3 are the good halo games.

Halo CE is not street fighter or monster hunter. Skipping it would be more like skipping a New Hope if you are starting Star Wars. If all you care about is the Halo Multiplayer you can skip CE but you asked for Lore and getting into the story. If you really cannot stand the graphics I get that, I can't stand the new graphics, and that's not just nostalgia but part of it enters the uncanny valley effect. Everyone has different tolerances to these issues. If that is your issue you can read the books instead, or maybe look up let's plays that showcase the story.

In terms of the show, this is not me being edgy or a hater but by the showrunners own admission they are doing their own thing with new lore loosely based on Halo in a new "Silver Timeline." Going back to any of the games or books regardless of whether they were made under Bungie or 343i would not help you with understanding the TV show and may just add confusion. Neither Infinite or the TV show are bringing in new fans to the old franchise but are creating new fans of new franchises. If you like the new stuff that is fine but the OG Bungie games are just something different.

This video below says Reach, Halo 3, and Infinite with 3 being the all time best. He, like me believes Halo CE didn't age well. I genuinely don't understand why you insist that it must be played if I am saying I didn't like it.

Just because I don't like it because it didn't age well doesn't means I won't like other games, and the comparison to a New Hope is a gross exaggeration. Narrative in video games is not delivered like a movie, I am certain that I would easily be covered by reading up on the Halo 1 story and it would take me less than 10 minutes.

https://youtube.com/shorts/3cjJ6MhuUmU?si=jFsLQfv_EPboQCtC
Sidst redigeret af Flushing; 23. mar. 2024 kl. 9:42
Clancy McFancy 23. mar. 2024 kl. 11:39 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:

Just because I don't like it because it didn't age well doesn't means I won't like other games, and the comparison to a New Hope is a gross exaggeration. Narrative in video games is not delivered like a movie, I am certain that I would easily be covered by reading up on the Halo 1 story and it would take me less than 10 minutes.

Yes, yes they are delivered like movies. They are visual media that makes use of the same techniques and camera angles.
You could easily read a summary of any movie and say that about any of them.

It's not an exaggeration at all, it works the *same* way. The first part's story is in the middle of a larger narrative left unexplained, and it comes out before the prequels which are technically the "first" episodes. (In this case, Reach and some novels.)

In the same way as if you were unwilling to watch A New Hope before Empire Strikes Back, you should just quit. In all honesty, you should do something else.
rcf5089 23. mar. 2024 kl. 12:03 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Flushing:
Oprindeligt skrevet af rcf5089:

*** If that is your issue you can read the books instead, or maybe look up let's plays that showcase the story.
***

This video below says Reach, Halo 3, and Infinite with 3 being the all time best. He, like me believes Halo CE didn't age well. I genuinely don't understand why you insist that it must be played if I am saying I didn't like it.

Just because I don't like it because it didn't age well doesn't means I won't like other games, and the comparison to a New Hope is a gross exaggeration. Narrative in video games is not delivered like a movie, I am certain that I would easily be covered by reading up on the Halo 1 story and it would take me less than 10 minutes.

https://youtube.com/shorts/3cjJ6MhuUmU?si=jFsLQfv_EPboQCtC

Actually read what I wrote please.

I said you could read the books instead if you didn't want to play the game or possibly just watch a let's play. My point is that you can't just skip over it. If you go read a good synopses or watch some lets play that trims it down to just the story that will suffice to start Halo 2. And yes that is just like Star Wars. Duh movies and games tell stories differently but if you insisted on not watching a New Hope and just reading a 10 minute synopsis that would be about the same. You would know what you need to know for Empire Strikes Back but would lack a lot of the emotional investment.
Vozlov 23. mar. 2024 kl. 12:42 
Just play them in release order, preferably with a friend, on heroic.
To not play one completely negates the mystery of the universe and the horror of the flood.
The second introduces the third most important character to the series and develops the Covenant tenfold.
The third is one of the best games of its generation.
ODST gives a fresh perspective on the series and develops the events between 2 and 3.
Reach is essentially the prologue of the trilogy and imparts upon the series the scale of the Covenant threat and gives much more depth to the human side of the war.
The fourth finishes the series and brings closure to everything.
We don't talk about 5.

To say Halo didn't age well would be like saying DOOM or Half-Life haven't. Like them, Halo was a seminal game in the evolution of the FPS genre for a multitude of reasons.

The only games you need to play to understand the story are the original trilogy, without any of them I don't think you'd appreciate the narrative as well. If you don't like the gameplay of 1 I shouldn't see why you'd enjoy any of the pre-343 games, they are only slight evolutions of one another. If the graphics of the original aren't good enough for you, nothing from the pre-343 games will be good enough either.

Just watch a youtube video explaining the story and lore, or get over the graphics and appreciate the original trilogy objectively for what it is.
Flushing 23. mar. 2024 kl. 13:02 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Vozlov:
Just play them in release order, preferably with a friend, on heroic.
To not play one completely negates the mystery of the universe and the horror of the flood.
The second introduces the third most important character to the series and develops the Covenant tenfold.
The third is one of the best games of its generation.
ODST gives a fresh perspective on the series and develops the events between 2 and 3.
Reach is essentially the prologue of the trilogy and imparts upon the series the scale of the Covenant threat and gives much more depth to the human side of the war.
The fourth finishes the series and brings closure to everything.
We don't talk about 5.

To say Halo didn't age well would be like saying DOOM or Half-Life haven't. Like them, Halo was a seminal game in the evolution of the FPS genre for a multitude of reasons.

The only games you need to play to understand the story are the original trilogy, without any of them I don't think you'd appreciate the narrative as well. If you don't like the gameplay of 1 I shouldn't see why you'd enjoy any of the pre-343 games, they are only slight evolutions of one another. If the graphics of the original aren't good enough for you, nothing from the pre-343 games will be good enough either.

Just watch a youtube video explaining the story and lore, or get over the graphics and appreciate the original trilogy objectively for what it is.

I really like 3 and Infinite so far, I haven't tried Reach yet, but coming in almost blind I still dislike 1.

I don't know how else to say it. But what I am getting from this thread and YouTube is that Halo 3 and Reach seem to stand out as gems in the series. That, and some people really like Halo Infinite (Me) and some people hate it.

Think about it this way, if you just played Halo Infinite, which Halo games are the most similar? For me, when I play Halo 1, I just feel like many things are missing.

I appreciate the honest feedback, I am certainly not dismissing the Halo series but even among fans there are those among you who royally dump on Halo 5, 4 and infinite, and I am sure you have your reasons. I just don't like one.

I am sure if it was 2002, and I hate an X-Box, then my friends would be over all the time and we would be playing it. I don't have those experiences, if I did than the graphic overhaul would connect with that, and I may think it's a great game.

I think Diablo 2 is the best action rpg of all time, and I have a lot of memories with that title. I got Diablo 2 Resurrected, and I enjoy that way more than Diablo 4. Diablo 4 doesn't even have "Diablo" in it and for many people it's their first game experience in the Diablo universe. I know many of them will not play Diablo 1 or D2 Remastered, that's fine with me. I get it.

But, Diablo 4 was made in such a way where you have a complete story, so first timers to the series don't need to play 1, 2, 3 or D-Immortal. It seems that Reach will be a good start for me based on what I know from the Lore so far and being a fan of the Amazon Series. I appreciate all the advice.
Sidst redigeret af Flushing; 23. mar. 2024 kl. 13:13
Clancy McFancy 23. mar. 2024 kl. 13:32 
Reach.... is a PREQUEL.
after it.... YOU PLAY 1.

also, if I'm being totally honest, just personally, I did not like it's story. Same problem with 3.

But, being objective here, play them all.
Sidst redigeret af Clancy McFancy; 23. mar. 2024 kl. 13:32
Scout 23. mar. 2024 kl. 15:34 
Just watch a Halo lore video, there is no point of just randomly playing the games when you just want to know the lore.
Flushing 23. mar. 2024 kl. 16:01 
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Just watch a Halo lore video, there is no point of just randomly playing the games when you just want to know the lore.

That wasn't it.

I was looking for the best Halo Games in the pack, that also had good story-lines. I wasn't looking to get the whole story from playing through the whole bundle.
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