Dear 343, your armor additions are hideous, and we don't want them in the game.

[Private Hazzard]

hey 343. I'm a fan of halo, specifically bungie's halo. I don't really understand why you're adding 343 content into bungie games. If I wanted to play 343 halo, I would- I have 4, 5 and infinite to choose from.

But I don't want to play those, because I don't like your games, I don't like your weird, cluster-♥♥♥♥ artstyle and I certainly don't like it invading Bungie's space. Please stick to modifying things that you actually made, thank you.

[MrDerpHerpin]

toggles are coming, get off the soapbox sir, its sad. there's way more important things in life to get worked up over, please do yourself a favor and grow up.

[An Irate Walrus]

Toggle is coming. You will not have to suffer seeing other people enjoying something you do not.

[MrDerpHerpin]

as for when it is coming i unfortunately have no info on that, but it IS coming.

[MechaDeka]

As someone with a small bit of experience with 3D modeling, I can say with certainty that the normal maps on the new armor is absolutely horrible, giving it all a cheap, bubbly plastic look.
The UV mapping on that one cyclops helmet is also bad, revealing bits of unused texture space on top of the visor... bubble.. thing.

Aesthetics aside, these armor models are terrible from even a technical viewpoint.

[Starskink]

+1
Hope the toggle will allow reverting to the original undersuit and visor too.
343's "aesthetic" is so bad and it just looks even worse when slapped into a game with good art direction.

[Private Hazzard]

Escrito originalmente por An Irate Walrus:

Toggle is coming. You will not have to suffer seeing other people enjoying something you do not.

https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/kei0wd/the_original_halo_3_undersuit_is_now_gone_in_mcc/

you might want to like, know stuff before you talk about that stuff.

343 is using a completely new skeleton that replaced halo 3's original one, that on top of looking different, also broke many of the armors from halo 3.

[MrDerpHerpin]

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

Escrito originalmente por MrDerpHerpin:

toggles are coming, get off the soapbox sir, its sad. there's way more important things in life to get worked up over, please do yourself a favor and grow up.

"you like halo 3, not 343's opinion of halo 3, therefore I'm better than you!"

what is it with 343 fanboys are being morons? Oh yeah they are morons, because they're all about 15.

Also, "sir"? what is this, reddit circa 2012?

i don't care what game you like but ok

[An Irate Walrus]

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

Escrito originalmente por MrDerpHerpin:

toggles are coming, get off the soapbox sir, its sad. there's way more important things in life to get worked up over, please do yourself a favor and grow up.

"you like halo 3, not 343's opinion of halo 3, therefore I'm better than you!"

what is it with 343 fanboys are being morons? Oh yeah they are morons, because they're all about 15.

Also, "sir"? what is this, reddit circa 2012?

What is it with folks who want to implicitly tout their own intelligence defining anyone who disagrees with them as "fanboys" while using age as an argument?

Oh, yeah, it's because they graduated from the Reddit School of Rhetoric, and mistake upvotes from the echo chamber as evidence of logical argument.

[Pyrocitor]

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

Escrito originalmente por An Irate Walrus:

Toggle is coming. You will not have to suffer seeing other people enjoying something you do not.

https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/kei0wd/the_original_halo_3_undersuit_is_now_gone_in_mcc/

you might want to like, know stuff before you talk about that stuff.

343 is using a completely new skeleton that replaced halo 3's original one, that on top of looking different, also broke many of the armors from halo 3.

The actual OG techsuit isn't gone, it's just not equippable.
For all we know, the toggle they implement could switch the new Gen 1 back to the OG halo 3 suit.

We do not know yet, the team hasn't said yet.

fighting amongst yourselves won't fix it, nor will it impact the outcome when the devs action their changes. There's a route to leave formal feedback, and it's not through insulting other players.

[MrDerpHerpin]

Escrito originalmente por Pyrocitor:

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/kei0wd/the_original_halo_3_undersuit_is_now_gone_in_mcc/

you might want to like, know stuff before you talk about that stuff.

343 is using a completely new skeleton that replaced halo 3's original one, that on top of looking different, also broke many of the armors from halo 3.

The actual OG techsuit isn't gone, it's just not equippable.
For all we know, the toggle they implement could switch the new Gen 1 back to the OG halo 3 suit.

We do not know yet, the team hasn't said yet.

fighting amongst yourselves won't fix it, nor will it impact the outcome when the devs action their changes. There's a route to leave formal feedback, and it's not through insulting other players.

thank you

[Private Hazzard]

Escrito originalmente por Pyrocitor:

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/kei0wd/the_original_halo_3_undersuit_is_now_gone_in_mcc/

you might want to like, know stuff before you talk about that stuff.

343 is using a completely new skeleton that replaced halo 3's original one, that on top of looking different, also broke many of the armors from halo 3.

The actual OG techsuit isn't gone, it's just not equippable.
For all we know, the toggle they implement could switch the new Gen 1 back to the OG halo 3 suit.

We do not know yet, the team hasn't said yet.

fighting amongst yourselves won't fix it, nor will it impact the outcome when the devs action their changes. There's a route to leave formal feedback, and it's not through insulting other players.

I mean points for being reasonable yourself, but we have the word fanboy for a reason- many fans of 343 don't seem to understand that despite halo 3 and 4 being part of the same series, they are IMMENSELY different games, and I can be a massive fan of Bungie's halo while despising 343's Halo.

The inability to understand or respect the fairness of 343's halo tainting bungie's halo is why I call some people fanboys, and why I think the use of the word is fair.

Also,"For all we know, the toggle they implement could switch the new Gen 1 back to the OG halo 3 suit." I wouldn't be so optimistic, I'm still waiting for a vanilla only, non-TU playlist setting for Halo Reach, and, so far as I have been told, that still hasn't happened, and their are still no plans.

When 343 makes a decision, they stick to it.

[GabeKirk24]

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

hey 343. I'm a fan of halo, specifically bungie's halo. I don't really understand why you're adding 343 content into bungie games. If I wanted to play 343 halo, I would- I have 4, 5 and infinite to choose from.

But I don't want to play those, because I don't like your games, I don't like your weird, cluster-♥♥♥♥ artstyle and I certainly don't like it invading Bungie's space. Please stick to modifying things that you actually made, thank you.

We? So you speak on behalf of the entire community? In the end, and keep with me here, bungie left halo to pursue destiny, 343 took over, in the end 343 can do what they please with the halo games seeing as they own it (besides mcc is their game, it's not like they're adding it to the 360 version too) so for the love of God be quiet

[An Irate Walrus]

Escrito originalmente por Private Hazzard:

Escrito originalmente por Pyrocitor:

The actual OG techsuit isn't gone, it's just not equippable.
For all we know, the toggle they implement could switch the new Gen 1 back to the OG halo 3 suit.

We do not know yet, the team hasn't said yet.

fighting amongst yourselves won't fix it, nor will it impact the outcome when the devs action their changes. There's a route to leave formal feedback, and it's not through insulting other players.

I mean points for being reasonable yourself, but we have the word fanboy for a reason- many fans of 343 don't seem to understand that despite halo 3 and 4 being part of the same series, they are IMMENSELY different games, and I can be a massive fan of Bungie's halo while despising 343's Halo.

The inability to understand or respect the fairness of 343's halo tainting bungie's halo is why I call some people fanboys, and why I think the use of the word is fair.

Also,"For all we know, the toggle they implement could switch the new Gen 1 back to the OG halo 3 suit." I wouldn't be so optimistic, I'm still waiting for a vanilla only, non-TU playlist setting for Halo Reach, and, so far as I have been told, that still hasn't happened, and their are still no plans.

When 343 makes a decision, they stick to it.

Halo isn't really a Bungie property anymore, though; they sold the rights when they went solo, and Microsoft (who does own the rights) handed the franchise over to 343i.

You can love the old titles and hate the new. In that, you and I are the same; CE remains my favorite entry, largely for nostalgia-driven reasons (I was in college when it hit the XBox in 01), but I appreciate all of the Bungie titles.

4, as far as I am concerned, is not Halo--and I never bothered with 5.

But here's where you and I diverge: I do not believe that my devotion to the older games gives me any additional say over what happens to them now. The series does not belong to me any more than it belongs to any other individual fan.

We do not have the right--as individuals--to determine what other folks are and are not allowed to enjoy, and when you attempt to do that (especially over something as goofy as armor options), you're behaving like the very term you use as a dismissive insult--a fanboy.

That you appear to be incapable of seeing that isn't surprising; a lack of self-awareness coupled with an inability to understand irony is a hallmark of the internet gatekeeper, after all.

It's just disappointing.

[Jman14102]

More customization is always welcome and the armor options aren't the worse things ever. Get over your hate-boner for 343. It's not impacting your game experience in any way.

[Private Hazzard]

Escrito originalmente por An Irate Walrus:

Halo isn't really a Bungie property anymore, though; they sold the rights when they went solo, and Microsoft (who does own the rights) handed the franchise over to 343i.

I'm aware, and I don't like the decisions they're making, and I'm allowed to not like them. It's not moral, it's not consistent, and it's not profitable. There doesn't seem to be any reason for 343 to pollute halo reach, 3, 1, 2, outside of ego.

Escrito originalmente por An Irate Walrus:

But here's where you and I diverge: I do not believe that my devotion to the older games gives me any additional say over what happens to them now. The series does not belong to me any more than it belongs to any other individual fan.

But this viewpoint isn't valid. I'm allowed to talk about what I loved, what is right, and most importantly to microsoft, *what I will pay for.*

Escrito originalmente por An Irate Walrus:

That you appear to be incapable of seeing that isn't surprising; a lack of self-awareness coupled with an inability to understand irony is a hallmark of the internet gatekeeper, after all.

hmm... you're not gatekeeping by telling me what I'm not allowed to say, who I'm not allowed to say it to and why I'm not allowed to say it (while using completely invalid logic?)

Yea naw. You're a gatekeeper and a hypocrite, and one with an ego the size of my house.