Noble 6 is Objectively Better than Master Chief in Every Conceivable Way

[Snailee]

Change My Mind.

[chriva]

Sadly I agree. The story as a whole is MUCH better in H1,2,3 but John himself is not particularly developed. Especially in the first game. He's nothing more than boring mc'soldier.

[Snailee]

Originally posted by chriva:

Sadly I agree. The story as a whole is MUCH better in H1,2,3 but John himself is not particularly developed. Especially in the first game. He's nothing more than boring mc'soldier.

Ye, I love John as I grew up with him as the main character for years, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when Reach first dropped, that dark and gritty theme was instantly much more memorable than the common theme of hope and struggle, with eventually overcoming the danger and living to fight another day.

I agree though, story wise it could have been much better, although I gotta say the cinematography in Reach is so good for it's time. Halo has always been cinematic, but the shots from security cameras, or just really good camera placement really makes the game feel seperate from the rest in terms of it's overall narrative theme.

[Laexas]

sure

[Magic Spazm]

Well you see, spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler.

[Snailee]

Originally posted by Laexas:

sure

John, is that you? ♥♥♥♥...

[PikaCommando]

Of course he is. He's me!

[xSOSxHawkens]

Spartan II's are the best of the spartan classes, and MC is the best of that class, and therefore the best of the Spartans.

Nobel 6 is a Spartan III, and is widely considered to be the best of the Spartan III's.

Simple fact is that S-III's were lower grade, lighter equiped, and seen as disposable and "cheap" compared to the highly trained (by comparison), highly equiped, and highly costly S-II's.

You cannot deny or argue the factual data that the SII class is better in every way than SIII's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZZfetZoJsQ

[sunny-d]

Originally posted by chriva:

Sadly I agree. The story as a whole is MUCH better in H1,2,3 but John himself is not particularly developed. Especially in the first game. He's nothing more than boring mc'soldier.

that's actually the point of John's character - excluding the books, he wasn't originally intended to be much more than a vessel for the player. changed from Halo 2 onward and he became a real character, and then it got super exemplified in Halo 4 and 5.

Originally posted by loveiswutigot:

Originally posted by chriva:

Sadly I agree. The story as a whole is MUCH better in H1,2,3 but John himself is not particularly developed. Especially in the first game. He's nothing more than boring mc'soldier.

Ye, I love John as I grew up with him as the main character for years, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when Reach first dropped, that dark and gritty theme was instantly much more memorable than the common theme of hope and struggle, with eventually overcoming the danger and living to fight another day.

I agree though, story wise it could have been much better, although I gotta say the cinematography in Reach is so good for it's time. Halo has always been cinematic, but the shots from security cameras, or just really good camera placement really makes the game feel separate from the rest in terms of it's overall narrative theme.

It's funny because a lot of the details in the Halo Reach were actually retconned from the original story. highly recommend reading the book, Fall of Reach. the two only loosely work together. It caused quite a bit of stir back in the day and you can actually still find people that REALLY don't want/believe Halo Reach to be canon.

[sunny-d]

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

Spartan II's are the best of the spartan classes, and MC is the best of that class, and therefore the best of the Spartans.

Nobel 6 is a Spartan III, and is widely considered to be the best of the Spartan III's.

Simple fact is that S-III's were lower grade, lighter equiped, and seen as disposable and "cheap" compared to the highly trained (by comparison), highly equiped, and highly costly S-II's.

You cannot deny or argue the factual data that the SII class is better in every way than SIII's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZZfetZoJsQ

Noble 6 is also the only other Spartan (the first being Master Chief) to be classified as "Hyper-Lethal" :))
Not quite as strong as a Spartan 2 but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the man could dunk on almost anything you throw at him.

[TheFranubian]

John does grow a character between 3 and 4, though, for better or worse, he resents what Halsey did, but still has a sense of duty towards humanity and Earth, not the UNSC, let alone ONI.

The books do go into detail and flesh him out, he is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrified of the Flood and it spreading outside of Halo, not to mention that he could be a Forerunner after all.

[PikaCommando]

If a weaker person can do more with less, doesn't that mean he's more skilled?

[Snailee]

Originally posted by SunRBG:

Originally posted by chriva:

Sadly I agree. The story as a whole is MUCH better in H1,2,3 but John himself is not particularly developed. Especially in the first game. He's nothing more than boring mc'soldier.

that's actually the point of John's character - excluding the books, he wasn't originally intended to be much more than a vessel for the player. changed from Halo 2 onward and he became a real character, and then it got super exemplified in Halo 4 and 5.

Originally posted by loveiswutigot:

Ye, I love John as I grew up with him as the main character for years, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when Reach first dropped, that dark and gritty theme was instantly much more memorable than the common theme of hope and struggle, with eventually overcoming the danger and living to fight another day.

I agree though, story wise it could have been much better, although I gotta say the cinematography in Reach is so good for it's time. Halo has always been cinematic, but the shots from security cameras, or just really good camera placement really makes the game feel separate from the rest in terms of it's overall narrative theme.

It's funny because a lot of the details in the Halo Reach were actually retconned from the original story. highly recommend reading the book, Fall of Reach. the two only loosely work together. It caused quite a bit of stir back in the day and you can actually still find people that REALLY don't want/believe Halo Reach to be canon.

Ive only delved into one Halo book, can't remember the name but it was a prequel dealing with Sgt. Johnson. I would still love to read the Fall of Reach and do remember hearing it was a bit controversial to say the least.

I alos do agree and understand that Master Chief was never really meant to be a fully fleshed out Character. he's much more a Gordon Freeman than a Geralt of Rivia, but what I do enjoy about Noble 6 over MC, is that 6 has a pretty fishy background in UNSC/ONI Black-Ops stuff which is barely ever touched on. I think that's both really cool, but also a little cheap as far as writing a character goes. It still adds that human element, and also allows for speculation as to what exactly your character's previous chapter's in life were like.

I think I'm just a sucker for prequels that end minutes before the next entry starts, though. It's cool playing CE again with that knowledge of just how hard it was to get Cortana off of Reach, and just how many people sacrificed their lives for what would eventually be the Chief and his mission.

[Snailee]

Originally posted by LifelessFawn950:

poor bait

Yes and no. It's actually interesting to see who like who more. Halo in my eyes has been a series with probably the least amount of shade thrown at it for it's stories pre-343 industries. At least not in the same ways that other franchises are. Like say Fallout, where there is a pretty sizable amount of fans who don't like the seeming lack of care for the game's lore or universe. I think this series has seen a lot less of that, at least in such a mainstream way as other games, so it's interesting to see.

[Snailee]

Originally posted by LifelessFawn950:

Originally posted by loveiswutigot:

Yes and no. It's actually interesting to see who like who more. Halo in my eyes has been a series with probably the least amount of shade thrown at it for it's stories pre-343 industries. At least not in the same ways that other franchises are. Like say Fallout, where there is a pretty sizable amount of fans who don't like the seeming lack of care for the game's lore or universe. I think this series has seen a lot less of that, at least in such a mainstream way as other games, so it's interesting to see.

One has no character development and lore, gee I wonder who is liked more.

welp, thats the beauty of opinion, people will have different answers with different conclusions as to why they like them.

[0strum]

Wait, Noble 6 is an S-III? Didn't see that one coming, guess it explains his last stand though. I need to see about remembering which books I actually have and getting some of those that I don't.